Duncan Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: An item with deep spiritual significance vs a worldly protection? Not the same issue. But honestly, it doesn't really matter. The whole temple ceremony has been "adjusted" till there's nothing really left anyway. if that's true why do you care about masks if it's all hocus pocus? 1 Link to comment
CelestialSeething Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 hours ago, JLHPROF said: This is not going to go well with the anti-maskers among the membership True, speaking as one of the unclean. SInce my Temple´ś been closed for about 4 years though, can say I´ḿ deeply troubled Link to comment
bOObOO Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Endowments...plural huh? Hmm.... Yeah, you know, gifts. You got a lot more than only one, I hope. Link to comment
JustAnAustralian Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) Facemasks were already required as part of stage 3 reopening https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/phase-3-temple-reopening And as far as I can tell, no temples are past stage 3 https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/multimedia/file/temple-reopening-list.pdf Edited September 22, 2021 by JustAnAustralian 2 Link to comment
CV75 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Calm said: The high below 12 population in Utah (highest rate in the US) skews vaccination rate lower if using the full population. Best to use a rate that show either by age or if you want a ‘global’ one to show compliance, one that is for everyone 12 and older, all those of age to get the vaccine. Thank you, I understand the differences in what-measures-what -- I was questioning the 70% claim. Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Duncan said: if that's true why do you care about masks if it's all hocus pocus? I didn't say I cared. I said I found it inappropriate and that it didn't sit right. It's not like I'm getting all upset about it. I care far more about the recent changes made to the ordinance itself. The endowment is hardly "hocus pocus". At least when it's complete as Joseph restored it. Edited September 22, 2021 by JLHPROF Link to comment
bOObOO Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Just now, JustAnAustralian said: Facemasks were already standard as part of stage 3 reopening https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/phase-3-temple-reopening And as far as I can tell, no temples are past stage 3 https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/multimedia/file/temple-reopening-list.pdf For me and my wife going to the temple again ranks right up there in importance with attending ward worship services in our ward chapel. We'd like to go back ASAP but while also not wanting to take any unnecessary risks to our health. We have had all of our shots so we're not terribly worried but still we both like to be cautious. We don't go out of our home nearly as often as we did before March of 2020. The temple is now just another place we won't go to until things get a lot better. Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share Posted September 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, JustAnAustralian said: Facemasks were already required as part of stage 3 reopening https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/phase-3-temple-reopening And as far as I can tell, no temples are past stage 3 https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/multimedia/file/temple-reopening-list.pdf Then why this big press release today? Link to comment
rongo Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, JustAnAustralian said: Facemasks were already required as part of stage 3 reopening https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/phase-3-temple-reopening And as far as I can tell, no temples are past stage 3 https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/multimedia/file/temple-reopening-list.pdf 18 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Then why this big press release today? That does tend to illustrate how laissez faire it was enforced in many temples (in Utah and Arizona, anyway). On paper, this is not news, since it represents reiteration of what was previously said in the August 12 letter, but temple presidents appear to now be being told in no uncertain terms. What will fascinate me is if this has no practical effect, in practice. I won't know for almost another month, when we have our next appointment. Edited September 22, 2021 by rongo Link to comment
bluebell Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, rongo said: That does tend to illustrate how laissez faire it was enforced in many temples (in Utah and Arizona, anyway). On paper, this is not a big deal, but temple presidents appear to be being told in no uncertain terms. What will fascinate me is if this has no practical effect, in practice. I won't know for almost another month, when we have our next appointment. 26 minutes ago, JustAnAustralian said: Facemasks were already required as part of stage 3 reopening https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/phase-3-temple-reopening And as far as I can tell, no temples are past stage 3 https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/multimedia/file/temple-reopening-list.pdf 19 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Then why this big press release today? Our temple (Bountiful) stopped requiring masks when the CDC said that it wasn't necessary, even though it continued to say online that they were required. I'm assuming that's why we have gotten this new announcement. 1 Link to comment
rongo Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, bluebell said: Our temple (Bountiful) stopped requiring masks when the CDC said that it wasn't necessary, even though it continued to say online that they were required. I'm assuming that's why we have gotten this new announcement. It's been annoying that the Church has said repeatedly that "local laws and regulations" will drive the phases and the restrictions, but then the Church's restrictions are usually much, much more restrictive than the local laws and regulations. Temples could have been "phase 4" open in Arizona long ago. 1 Link to comment
Duncan Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Here all public buildings require masks so it isn't an issue. If people have an issue they can not come or suck it up or whatever 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Hamba Tuhan Posted September 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, rongo said: What will fascinate me is if this has no practical effect, in practice. Yes, it's always fascinating when the Saints defy their prophets, I find. 1 hour ago, rongo said: It's been annoying that the Church has said repeatedly that "local laws and regulations" will drive the phases and the restrictions, but then the Church's restrictions are usually much, much more restrictive than the local laws and regulations. That's been the case here, too. It seems quite silly for Church leaders to care more about the health and wellbeing of members than secular governments do. 5 hours ago, rongo said: The Delta surge appears to have peaked and crested and is declining, isn't it? Not in America: Edited September 23, 2021 by Hamba Tuhan 7 Link to comment
CA Steve Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 If it make temple attendance safer, then wouldn't it also make attendance at ward and stake meetings safer also? 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Hamba Tuhan Posted September 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, CA Steve said: If it make temple attendance safer, then wouldn't it also make attendance at ward and stake meetings safer also? Yep, which is why, I suspect, the First Presidency have already asked people to wear face coverings to church meetings. 7 Link to comment
CA Steve Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Yep, which is why, I suspect, the First Presidency have already asked people to wear face coverings to church meetings. I know about the previous statement which would have covered temple attendance also. Now a special announcement just for temples? So again, why mention just temple attendance here and not reemphasiz all meetings? I applaud the announcement today but I wish they would be this direct about all meetings. "Wear a mask or stay home". 2 Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, CA Steve said: I know about the previous statement which would have covered temple attendance also. Now a special announcement just for temples? So again, why mention just temple attendance here and not reemphasiz all meetings? Actually, the 12 August statement only mentions 'public meetings': Quote To limit exposure to these viruses, we urge the use of face masks in public meetings whenever social distancing is not possible. As someone earlier pointed out, use of face masks is part of Phase 3 temple openings. It appears that people either forgot that or openly rebelled against it; hence, today's 'reminder'. 2 Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, JLHPROF said: https://apnews.com/article/health-religion-coronavirus-pandemic-utah-347e16ac75a6e1e9d5c7a4369bfbb921 “As cases of COVID-19 increase in many areas, we want to do everything possible to allow temples to remain open,” the church said in a statement. “Therefore, effective immediately, all temple patrons and workers are asked to wear face masks at all times while in the temple.” This is not going to go well with the anti-maskers among the membership. In Utah County this is a high percent. It's been technically like that here in CALIFORNIA forever, even in church. Seriously what's there to argue about in wearing a Kleenex on string? If you have a constitutional right to kill yourself, yes by all means do it but don't spend my money on your treatment. 🤨 Edited September 23, 2021 by mfbukowski 2 Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Yes, it's always fascinating when the Saints defy their prophets, I find. That's been the case here, too. It seems quite silly for Church leaders to care more about the health and wellbeing of members than secular governments do. Not in America: And then there is Mu Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: If you have a constitutional right to kill yourself, yes by all means do it but don't spend my money on your treatment. From June through August 2021, preventable COVID-19 hospitalizations among unvaccinated adults in America cost over US$5 billion. For the insured, the impacts will reach to everyone in their health fund. For the uninsured, the impacts will reach everyone. Good luck! I'm not sure this is what the doctor would have ordered for your economy ... 4 Link to comment
JAHS Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: It's been technically like that here in CALIFORNIA forever, even in church. Seriously what's there to argue about in wearing a Kleenex on string? If you have a constitutional right to kill yourself, yes by all means do it but don't spend my money on your treatment. 🤨 In my California ward about 70% of the members don't wear masks and the Bishop is not saying anything about it. Link to comment
Raingirl Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 hours ago, bOObOO said: I don't consider myself an anti-masker. I wear masks when I have a NEED or VERY STRONG DESIRE to go to some place and that place posts a sign that says masks are required to go into that place. I suppose I will just not go to a temple while a mask is required to enter the building. I already have all of my endowments and I have no NEED to go to a temple. And while the mask requirement is in place I have no VERY STRONG DESIRE to go either. The whole last paragraph is indicative of an uncaring attitude towards others. 2 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 10 hours ago, rongo said: The Delta surge appears to have peaked and crested and is declining, isn't it? I have been hearing that we hit the peak for almost two months now. Any day now…… 1 Link to comment
bOObOO Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Raingirl said: The whole last paragraph is indicative of an uncaring attitude towards others. It is, isn't it. So I think I did a good job if the words I used gave anyone who read them an idea something like this: Gasp! Would any card carrying member literally not do temple work for others simply because of a little inconvenience required in wearing a mask in a temple?!? I hope I would never be so uncaring toward others! Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: From June through August 2021, preventable COVID-19 hospitalizations among unvaccinated adults in America cost over US$5 billion. For the insured, the impacts will reach to everyone in their health fund. For the uninsured, the impacts will reach everyone. Good luck! I'm not sure this is what the doctor would have ordered for your economy ... Don't get me started! Grrrrr. Link to comment
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