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On 9/6/2021 at 1:37 PM, Chum said:

One financial system that seems to have strong parallels with socialism is the Church.

That is all. Thank you for coming to my Chum Talk.

 

1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Hmm.  So choosing, voluntarily and under covenant, to live the Law of Consecration is the same thing as having such a system imposed upon one from above by, for example, Totalitarian means.  Huh.  Color me surprised.  Who knew.  :huh: :unknw:  

 

1 hour ago, Chum said:

I said parallels which implies that not everything aligns. That might include stuff you introduce into the conversation and then act as if I said it.

Ahh, so you simply drew the parallels, you didn't want anybody to make the connection!  Got it!  Thanks for clarifying.

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10 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

you simply drew the parallels, you didn't want anybody to make the connection! 

I don't understand what this means.

No expressed interest in what those parallels might be so they remain unspoken. That doesn't leave much to object to.

edit: It also makes this a pretty vapid conversation. Boring things are boring. I'm going to go look at cheese.

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8 minutes ago, Chum said:

I don't understand what this means.

No expressed interest in what those parallels might be so they remain unspoken. That doesn't leave much to object to.

edit: It also makes this a pretty vapid conversation. Boring things are boring. I'm going to go look at cheese.

Sounds like a productive way to spend one's day, weeks, months, and years.  Perhaps you could make it a full-time avocation, if not a full-time vocation.  I'm sure you'd be well suited to it.

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3 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Sounds like a productive way to spend one's day, weeks, months, and years.  Perhaps you could make it a full-time avocation, if not a full-time vocation.  I'm sure you'd be well suited to it.

I'm not sure the Spirit inspired this post.

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11 minutes ago, Chum said:

I'm not sure the Spirit inspired this post.

Any more than it inspired your previous post, you mean?

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1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

You complained you missed the lessons and then you found them.

Congratulations 

Maybe you could notice you are contradicting your earlier posts, a little better

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19 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

You complained you missed the lessons and then you found them.

Congratulations 

Maybe you could notice you are contradicting your earlier posts, a little better

Haha, nope, I said I missed the lessons that were about preventing natural disasters stemming from climate change. But sorry I wasn't clear, I am not a good communicator most likely. 

Here's my quote, now that I read over it, it's not clear. What we get lessons on is prepare in case of job loss, or natural disasters...but not how to prevent the climate changes that can cause those disasters which IMO, could have slowed down the natural disasters, but we may be too late. :( I blame it on the naysayers that said there is not climate change, and I take responsibility as well. In a nutshell, we need to not hurry the second coming, or the earth burning up.  

c/p:

I am not aware of being prepared in the preventative part though, only what to do if it does happen as far as the earth goes, not when you lose a job or ?. Maybe I missed those lessons, and now more than ever we need to learn how to take care of Mother earth because it will affect what we eat, our lives, everything. And some faithful people welcome the second coming so that they can return sooner to their maker. And actually deny climate change. In the LDS church our newer churches are now being more climate reactive with solar etc. so that's good.

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9 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Any more than it inspired your previous post, you mean?

I believe so. That previous post

  

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I don't understand what this means. No expressed interest in what those parallels might be so they remain unspoken. That doesn't leave much to object to. edit: It also makes this a pretty vapid conversation. Boring things are boring. I'm going to go look at cheese.

isn't at all attacky. I think it shows today's resolve to be more constructive and less reactive.

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"You bore me.  Therefore, you should forfeit your right to exist."

Yeah.

Real Christlike.

My mistake!

Have fun staring at cheese for hours, days, weeks, months (and, hopefully, years, decades, centuries, and millennia) on end.

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On 9/5/2021 at 7:22 PM, MustardSeed said:

Yes. 
but I’m no conspiracy theorist.  I believe just about every organization is corrupt in one way or another.  No one and nothing is perfect. 

True.

The first purpose of every organization is to perpetuate itself. That is true of a school, a business, the church, any government.

Of course that doesn't necessarily mean something is corrupt. Corruption lies in the means of attaining an end.

So if something like the government is looked at closely corruption would likely lie in the beholder as to what the government's main function is. Is it to grow and become more prosperous and is that accomplished via strategic partnerships with large corporations, the military industrial complex etc? Yep. And there will inevitably be situations where the poor, innocent, weak are trampled in an effort to achieve a greater good for a greater number of people. Does that mean it's corrupt? Maybe, maybe not.

"Combinations" will always exist but with greater transparency and sunshine on the relationships of the "combinations" they won't be secret ;)   Is there dirty politics at every level of government? Yes. Some might argue that is part of the process, else why the need for a separation of powers at all?

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5 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

"You bore me.  Therefore, you should forfeit your right to exist."

Man. You are full of things I didn't say. You're like my unsaid repository.

7 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Have fun staring at cheese for hours, days, weeks, months (and, hopefully, years, decades, centuries, and millennia) on end.

I've already moved on from cheese but thank you for the kind wishes.

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3 minutes ago, Chum said:

Man. You are full of things I didn't say. You're like my unsaid repository.

Granting, for the sake of this exchange, that I have that problem, I'm not the only one.  (Hint: Look in a mirror.)

3 minutes ago, Chum said:

I've already moved on from cheese but thank you for the kind wishes.

Oh, you are uniquely, exceptionally well suited to staring, unendingly, at cheese.  Anything else, such as engaging in good-faith dialogue with your interlocutors?  I'm not sure.  Whatever you do, I hope you have a fabulous day!

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3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

You are not understanding 

I believe I do understand. I just am not buying into your narrative and I don't think most LDS do and most would reject your paradigm.

3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

What do I care about what others think? We are here to CREATE OURSELVES! Testimony!

 

Sure.  Does not mean you are on the right path.

3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Becoming as perfect as we can!

"Be the best you can be"?

Sure.  And there are many ways to do it well.

3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

I can take prophecy literally OR figuratively. I believe there WILL be disasters and plagues leading  to the second coming, but fine, what ACTION am I supposed to take?? Wring my hands and lose sleep?

No, prepare for it, and in doing so you learn ALSO how to prepare for disasters in general 

Ok. Who said anything about wringing your hand?

3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

PRAGMATISM.  PRAXIS.

What is the PURPOSE of Doctrine? What do I GET, practically from changing my life and trying to live the gospel?

A happy life, regardless!

The LDS Church and what it teaches does not make everyone happy.

3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Humanity exists, that we might have joy! ...

Humanity exists because it exists We want to find joy and happiness in it.

3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

...Instead of critically dreaming up angry arguments and focusing on the negative!  How can I make my life happier today by getting closer to the savior at the same time?

My arguments are not angry and I am taking my own steps to be happy.  

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3 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Granting, for the sake of this exchange, that I have that problem, I'm not the only one.  (Hint: Look in a mirror.)

Oh, you are uniquely, exceptionally well suited to staring, unendingly, at cheese.  Anything else, such as engaging in good-faith dialogue with your interlocutors?  I'm not sure.  Whatever you do, I hope you have a fabulous day!

Hey. Guess what?

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9 minutes ago, Chum said:

Hey. Guess what?

Chum, as much as you might like to continue this exchange, there is cheese to be stared at!  Go to! 

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1 hour ago, Chum said:

You guessed it! Good job.

Cheese, Chum!  Cheese!  (It's fascinating!)

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3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

You complained you missed the lessons and then you found them.

Congratulations 

Maybe you could notice you are contradicting your earlier posts, a little better

It's you who isn't understanding. Re-read my last quote please. I'll c/p again. I served in two RS presidencies, believe me, I know all about emergency preparedness, we gave those lessons often, and had many RS meetings at night going over ways to store food, use wheat, make 72 hour kits, use devices to make clean water. Here's my original post below, notice the word preventative, that's the operative word here. 

I am not aware of being prepared in the preventative part though, only what to do if it does happen as far as the earth goes, not when you lose a job or ?. Maybe I missed those lessons, and now more than ever we need to learn how to take care of Mother earth because it will affect what we eat, our lives, everything. And some faithful people welcome the second coming so that they can return sooner to their maker. And actually deny climate change. In the LDS church our newer churches are now being more climate reactive with solar etc. so that's good.

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On 9/8/2021 at 5:31 AM, Stargazer said:

How dare you even hint at climate change not being an extinction-level event? Greta Thunberg consigns you to heck!

Well, ha ha, that's just the caffeine talking. 

The only reasonably possible extinction-level event would be an asteroid, a la Chicxulub, but even then, some humans would survive to keep the race alive.

For what it's worth, that question was not made in bad faith to Teancum. I certainly believe climate change is a major threat to humanity, one of our own making, and think it makes entirely too much sense that we would abrogate our responsibility as stewards of the earth in the Last Days and thereby damage ourselves in the process.

I was more trying to get Teancum's take on it (as he said though, he would prefer that in a different thread). I absolutely agree with him that by most metrics, the world has become a better place. Childhood mortality is down, as are deaths by violence, and our individual productivity is much higher. At the same time, I have seen those who hold up these triumphs of humanity also decry the perils of climate change, nuclear proliferation, antibiotic resistance, and other threats that are inarguably more present now than they have been in any previous century. I am not saying Teancum is in this group, but was just wondering. I tend to think of it as us living in the best of times, not the worst of times, but with a metaphorical Sword of Damocles hanging right over head. If anything, our societal and governmental responses to the pandemic have solidified my notion that we are simply unprepared to undertake the collective action problems addressing that Sword takes.

Edit: Funny side note about Thunberg. Her and I got into a row once over a publication that claimed >1.2bn climate refugees would be displaced in the next 30 years or so. She widely disseminated the article, while I reverse-engineered the author's approach and realized they were confusing the stock and flow of climate migrants. The actual estimate was closer to 27mn or so.

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31 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

But I bet the one on Fox was distorted and taken out of context.

What ever, you will believe what fits your own bias. The MSM is bought and paid for by the Democrats. They finally admitted the story about Hunter Bidens laptop was true. A year later so as not to influence the election. Well one good thing is at least we don't have any more Mean Tweets, just 5 dollar per gallon gasoline and half the nation on the dole refusing to work. We haven't signed new job since Biden became president everybody is waiting to see the tax ramifications before they spend any discretionary funds. Tax the rich!

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22 hours ago, rodheadlee said:

What ever, you will believe what fits your own bias. The MSM is bought and paid for by the Democrats. They finally admitted the story about Hunter Bidens laptop was true. A year later so as not to influence the election. Well one good thing is at least we don't have any more Mean Tweets, just 5 dollar per gallon gasoline and half the nation on the dole refusing to work. We haven't signed new job since Biden became president everybody is waiting to see the tax ramifications before they spend any discretionary funds. Tax the rich!

You do realize that the laptops being a Russian disinformation attempt and some of the information on the laptop being accurate and pulled from other sources are not mutually exclusive right? Also the general response to Hunter Biden being up to shenanigans is something along the lines of: “Wow, good thing we didn’t elect Hunter Biden to public office.” It is a pretty dull story.

Also yes, TAX THE RICH! Also, FUND THE IRS! You know, just to make sure they actually pay their taxes.

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