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6 hours ago, Chum said:

You are literally keeping a secret about a combination.

Everybody knows that before being called to prophet, he was a supporter of the John Birch society.

No biggie, I was joking 

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On 9/5/2021 at 3:28 PM, rodheadlee said:

Is the US being run by a secret combination? 

If we all knew that it wouldn't be much of a secret, would it.

On 9/5/2021 at 3:28 PM, rodheadlee said:

PS, if the mods would set this up as a poll, that would be great. I'm not looking for discussion,  just a simple yes or no.

N/A

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On 9/5/2021 at 6:28 PM, rodheadlee said:

Is the US being run by a secret combination? 

 

PS, if the mods would set this up as a poll, that would be great. I'm not looking for discussion,  just a simple yes or no.

No

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On 9/5/2021 at 4:28 PM, rodheadlee said:

Is the US being run by a secret combination? 

 

PS, if the mods would set this up as a poll, that would be great. I'm not looking for discussion,  just a simple yes or no.

Depends on:

1.  Which political party you follow and believe in; and

2.  If you believe in the Book of Mormon's language about secret combinations.  I don't necessarily. Politics and corruption tend to go hand in hand.  I remember a big client of mine asking me to contact my congressman, a good friend, who was reluctant to vote for a particular trade bill.  I did, and explained why we thought the bill was good for America.  He responded by asking me to make a max political contribution to his campaign.  Oops all around.  

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Yes, there are many out there. 
But most of them are not well know to us. 
I find it interesting when people dig deep into the conspiracy playbook and say they know who is and who is not part of a secret combination.

Most of the time its really just their politics coming out.

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On 9/5/2021 at 8:22 PM, MustardSeed said:

Yes. 
but I’m no conspiracy theorist.  I believe just about every organization is corrupt in one way or another.  No one and nothing is perfect. 

Every organization? Including the LDS Church?

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On 9/5/2021 at 8:25 PM, teddyaware said:

I’ll never forget that strange Sunday morning in October of 1988 when a prophet of God announced to the world that Moroni’s terrifying prophecy of a gigantic secret combination that would be set up by the devil in the last days to destroy the freedom of the entire world was being fulfilled even as he spoke. I was astonished because I looked around and realized that, with the exception of Yours Truly, not a single soul in the entire congregation seemed to realize that a most momentous and sobering prophetic pronouncement had just been made. It was then that I realized Moroni’s hope that the general membership of the Church would awaken to a sense of their awful situation in time to do something about this devilish business would not be realized

It must be tough to be so much more insightful, smarter and self indulged with that superior knowledge. All your posts are like this. 🤥 

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On 9/5/2021 at 5:25 PM, teddyaware said:

This prophesied satanic storm has now had 33 years to gather additional strength and consolidate its control, and the fact that so many members of the Church appear be totally blind to what’s obviously raging all around them proves John the Revelator was correct when he warned that Babylon the Great would have tremendous success in blinding and deceiving nearly the entire world prior to the Second Coming of Christ, even including some of the very elect.

Which threat did you mean, or the whole bloomin' mess of threats?

It doesn't take much faith to believe the end is near anymore when it's all around you every day

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1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

Which threat did you mean, or the whole bloomin' mess of threats?

It doesn't take much faith to believe the end is near anymore when it's all around you every day

Personally I think over all the world is in a better place for most humans than it ever has been. We still have a lot of problems and certainly there is a lot there that could ruin it all for most of us. But I don't buy into doomsday prophecy.  The end has been coming for almost 2000 years according to most of Christianity.  2000 years from now if humans don't extinct themselves as a result of destroying our environment or through a nuclear war then people we still be wondering when Jesus is coming again.

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32 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Personally I think over all the world is in a better place for most humans than it ever has been. We still have a lot of problems and certainly there is a lot there that could ruin it all for most of us. But I don't buy into doomsday prophecy.  The end had been coming for almost 2000 years according to most of Christianity.  2000 years from now it humans don't extinct themselves as a result of destroying our environment or through a nuclear war then people we still be wondering when Jesus is coming again.

Spot on!

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56 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Personally I think over all the world is in a better place for most humans than it ever has been. We still have a lot of problems and certainly there is a lot there that could ruin it all for most of us. But I don't buy into doomsday prophecy.  The end has been coming for almost 2000 years according to most of Christianity.  2000 years from now if humans don't extinct themselves as a result of destroying our environment or through a nuclear war then people we still be wondering when Jesus is coming again.

I agree

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1 hour ago, Teancum said:

Personally I think over all the world is in a better place for most humans than it ever has been. We still have a lot of problems and certainly there is a lot there that could ruin it all for most of us. But I don't buy into doomsday prophecy.  The end has been coming for almost 2000 years according to most of Christianity.  2000 years from now if humans don't extinct themselves as a result of destroying our environment or through a nuclear war then people we still be wondering when Jesus is coming again.

You are still not getting it regarding history and prophecy.

Scriptural "History" is for faith  promoting stories for teaching moral principles. It doesn't matter if they ever happened or not. Think of parables 

"Prophecy" is to teach preparedness for what MIGHT happen, and is useful regardless of what actually happens.

Both serve very useful functions for the benefit of society

I don't know why people don't get this simple principle 

Do you think just maybe if you are prepared for the second coming you might do better when your town burns to the ground or gets submerged for a week or two?

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8 hours ago, Teancum said:

Personally I think over all the world is in a better place for most humans than it ever has been. We still have a lot of problems and certainly there is a lot there that could ruin it all for most of us. But I don't buy into doomsday prophecy.  The end has been coming for almost 2000 years according to most of Christianity.

I’ve seen this idea trotted out before, but it ignores the large presence of amillennialism and preterism in the biggest Christian bodies from Augustine onwards. Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran and many Calvinist churches hold the above views among their leadership to the extent that most of their lay membership simply don’t consider eschatology in their regular worship or belief systems. Pre- and post-millennialism and their cousin historicism are mostly a product of late-18th and mid-19th century Evangelical or Restorationist movements.

But genuinely curious, to what extent do you see climate change as an extinction-level threat?

8 hours ago, Teancum said:

 2000 years from now if humans don't extinct themselves as a result of destroying our environment or through a nuclear war then people we still be wondering when Jesus is coming again.

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5 hours ago, halconero said:

But genuinely curious, to what extent do you see climate change as an extinction-level threat?

How dare you even hint at climate change not being an extinction-level event? Greta Thunberg consigns you to heck!

Well, ha ha, that's just the caffeine talking. 

The only reasonably possible extinction-level event would be an asteroid, a la Chicxulub, but even then, some humans would survive to keep the race alive.

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14 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

You are still not getting it regarding history and prophecy.

I get it I just am not sure I agree with your approach.

14 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Scriptural "History" is for faith  promoting stories for teaching moral principles. It doesn't matter if they ever happened or not. Think of parables 

 

Sure.  Lets of other mythical books teach and promote moral principles as well. So do other books that claim scripture status that you would reject.  I think very few Latter day Saints or other more literal believing religions embrace your esoteric approach so let's talk about what they believe about this.  Many LDS litierally believe the second coming is around the corner. Every generation for at least since I was a kid and probably before have been told they are the choice and most valiant held back for the end times.  Do you rhino that view this as a parable?

14 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

"Prophecy" is to teach preparedness for what MIGHT happen, and is useful regardless of what actually happens.

Both serve very useful functions for the benefit of society

Most think prophecy means a predictions of something that will happen.  You are in a small minority.

 

14 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

I don't know why people don't get this simple principle 

Because nobody teaches this including those who claim to give the prophecy and scripture.  Do you think and of the top LDS leaders take your approach?  I Idon't.

14 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Do you think just maybe if you are prepared for the second coming you might do better when your town burns to the ground or gets submerged for a week or two?

One does not need to believe in a fairly tale to prepare of disasters so no.

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14 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

You are still not getting it regarding history and prophecy.

Scriptural "History" is for faith  promoting stories for teaching moral principles. It doesn't matter if they ever happened or not. Think of parables 

"Prophecy" is to teach preparedness for what MIGHT happen, and is useful regardless of what actually happens.

Both serve very useful functions for the benefit of society

I don't know why people don't get this simple principle 

Do you think just maybe if you are prepared for the second coming you might do better when your town burns to the ground or gets submerged for a week or two?

I am not aware of being prepared in the preventative part though, only what to do if it does happen as far as the earth goes, not when you lose a job or ?. Maybe I missed those lessons, and now more than ever we need to learn how to take care of Mother earth because it will affect what we eat, our lives, everything. And some faithful people welcome the second coming so that they can return sooner to their maker. And actually deny climate change. In the LDS church our newer churches are now being more climate reactive with solar etc. so that's good.

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17 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Do you think just maybe if you are prepared for the second coming you might do better when your town burns to the ground or gets submerged for a week or two?

Those that believe the prophecies most literally seem to be most against taking any sort of communal effort to prevent such things. The world is ending as foretold - there is nothing we can do to stop it. 

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3 hours ago, Teancum said:

I get it I just am not sure I agree with your approach.

 

Sure.  Lets of other mythical books teach and promote moral principles as well. So do other books that claim scripture status that you would reject.  I think very few Latter day Saints or other more literal believing religions embrace your esoteric approach so let's talk about what they believe about this.  Many LDS litierally believe the second coming is around the corner. Every generation for at least since I was a kid and probably before have been told they are the choice and most valiant held back for the end times.  Do you rhino that view this as a parable?

Most think prophecy means a predictions of something that will happen.  You are in a small minority.

 

Because nobody teaches this including those who claim to give the prophecy and scripture.  Do you think and of the top LDS leaders take your approach?  I Idon't.

One does not need to believe in a fairly tale to prepare of disasters so no.

You are not understanding 

What do I care about what others think? We are here to CREATE OURSELVES! Testimony!

Becoming as perfect as we can!

"Be the best you can be"?

I can take prophecy literally OR figuratively. I believe there WILL be disasters and plagues leading  to the second coming, but fine, what ACTION am I supposed to take?? Wring my hands and lose sleep?

No, prepare for it, and in doing so you learn ALSO how to prepare for disasters in general 

PRAGMATISM.  PRAXIS.

What is the PURPOSE of Doctrine? What do I GET, practically from changing my life and trying to live the gospel?

A happy life, regardless!

Humanity exists, that we might have joy! ...

...Instead of critically dreaming up angry arguments and focusing on the negative!  How can I make my life happier today by getting closer to the savior at the same time?

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52 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Those that believe the prophecies most literally seem to be most against taking any sort of communal effort to prevent such things. The world is ending as foretold - there is nothing we can do to stop it. 

We need to break with "what most people think" we are not cattle!

We need our own testimonies of every principle, or drop it all and find something else other than oozing negativity on that which did not work for us.

But I agree completely 

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3 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I am not aware of being prepared in the preventative part though, only what to do if it does happen as far as the earth goes, not when you lose a job or ?. Maybe I missed those lessons, and now more than ever we need to learn how to take care of Mother earth because it will affect what we eat, our lives, everything. And some faithful people welcome the second coming so that they can return sooner to their maker. And actually deny climate change. In the LDS church our newer churches are now being more climate reactive with solar etc. so that's good.

You don't need "lessons"

God gave you a fine brain eyes and ears, make up your own lessons!!

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On 9/6/2021 at 1:37 PM, Chum said:

One financial system that seems to have strong parallels with socialism is the Church.

That is all. Thank you for coming to my Chum Talk.

Hmm.  So choosing, voluntarily and under covenant, to live the Law of Consecration is the same thing as having such a system imposed upon one from above by, for example, Totalitarian means.  Huh.  Color me surprised.  Who knew.  :huh: :unknw:  

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12 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Hmm.  So choosing, voluntarily and under covenant, to live the Law of Consecration is the same thing as having such a system imposed upon one from above by, for example, Totalitarian means.  Huh.  Color me surprised.  Who knew.  :huh: :unknw:  

I said parallels which implies that not everything aligns. That might include stuff you introduce into the conversation and then act as if I said it.

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