mfbukowski Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 4 hours ago, The Nehor said: Yeah, I could just melt into his arms. Wait, what were we talking about? Dang! I didn't know you were from Californica! Do them Mormons hassle you a lot about house prices? It's the first known invasion of rich refugees known to mankind! Link to comment
MustardSeed Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: I dunno. In Utah maybe you don't get as many tv "enhancement" commercials as we do in LA. On TV! Oh nay nay. I am definitely not a Utah resident. 1 Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, MustardSeed said: Oh nay nay. I am definitely not a Utah resident. Oops! Link to comment
The Nehor Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Dang! I didn't know you were from Californica! Do them Mormons hassle you a lot about house prices? It's the first known invasion of rich refugees known to mankind! I haven’t lived in California in a long time. Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 46 minutes ago, The Nehor said: I haven’t lived in California in a long time. It was, apparently, a rather cryptic joke that didn't make it off the ground. 🤔 Link to comment
bluebell Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 In this article women share the age when they were first sexualized and how the experience made them feel. For those who care to understand the kind of world that women in live in and how these experiences impact us for decades, this is a good resource. Warning, a few of the quotes use overtly sexual language. 3 Link to comment
bsjkki Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 My niece, who is a teacher, mentioned a fellow teacher had a simple unisex dress code image for her school. I think a uniform standard is a better approach. 4 Link to comment
bsjkki Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, bluebell said: In this article women share the age when they were first sexualized and how the experience made them feel. For those who care to understand the kind of world that women in live in and how these experiences impact us for decades, this is a good resource. Warning, a few of the quotes use overtly sexual language. Those stories are very sad to read. I think it would be important for men/boys to understand how young girls hear and interpret these comments. Edited August 29, 2021 by bsjkki 2 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 7:36 AM, bluebell said: In this article women share the age when they were first sexualized and how the experience made them feel. For those who care to understand the kind of world that women in live in and how these experiences impact us for decades, this is a good resource. Warning, a few of the quotes use overtly sexual language. I am pretty sure nearly 100% of women have had something like this happen to them, maybe multiple times. Link to comment
bluebell Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: I am pretty sure nearly 100% of women have had something like this happen to them, maybe multiple times. I agree. The first time I was catcalled I was 10. 1 Link to comment
BlueDreams Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 59 minutes ago, bluebell said: I agree. The first time I was catcalled I was 10. I can’t remember when, but I assume it was when I was a teen. By 15 or 16 I had a healthy leeriness around truck drivers and construction sites especially. There seemed to be a higher likelihood of something uncomfortable happening with the subsets for whatever reason. with luv, BD 2 Link to comment
Popular Post MustardSeed Posted August 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 30, 2021 I was very young. My teen years were a constant barrage, so much so that I accepted it. In college I began to fight. 6 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) My first exposure was when I was 5 or 6 or ? A neighbor teen boy sat me on his bed and pulled out his you know what. As a child I didn't think too much about it, but he and his younger brother did traumatize the girls around the neighborhood with their terribleness. One night we got back from Lagoon and we girls were getting ready for bed and all the sudden we see these boys' faces in our window. The younger brother, not the one that exposed himself, apologized at another neighbor's funeral just a few years ago at a luncheon at a ward church with my sister and dad sitting there. Which was pretty brave, and I forgive him. Then later had an old man expose himself, but that's another story. So for a long time I didn't know how it really did affect me. The catcalls were consistent while walking to work in downtown SLC. It all accumulates, these feelings. Edited August 30, 2021 by Tacenda Link to comment
rodheadlee Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Tacenda said: My first exposure was when I was 5 or 6 or ? A neighbor teen boy sat me on his bed and pulled out his you know what. As a child I didn't think too much about it, but he and his younger brother did traumatize the girls around the neighborhood with their terribleness. One night we got back from Lagoon and we girls were getting ready for bed and all the sudden we see these boys' faces in our window. The younger brother, not the one that exposed himself, apologized at another neighbor's funeral just a few years ago at a luncheon at a ward church with my sister and dad sitting there. Which was pretty brave, and I forgive him. Then later had an old man expose himself, but that's another story. So for a long time I didn't know how it really did affect me. The catcalls were consistent while walking to work in downtown SLC. It all accumulates, these feelings. You could always move to Afghanistan, those dirty western boys have all left according to #46. P.S the Taliban said Kabul airport will be open for normal travel. Edited August 31, 2021 by rodheadlee -10 Link to comment
bluebell Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: You could always move to Afghanistan, those dirty western boys have all left according to #46. P.S the Taliban said Kabul airport will be open for normal travel. Women are sexually abused and assaulted just as much in places without 'western boys'. 4 Link to comment
provoman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 2:13 PM, bsjkki said: My niece, who is a teacher, mentioned a fellow teacher had a simple unisex dress code image for her school. I think a uniform standard is a better approach. That is the only reasonable approach Link to comment
rodheadlee Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, bluebell said: Women are sexually abused and assaulted just as much in places without 'western boys'. So I guess modest dress doesn't really change anything right? P.S Here is a tip. It's not what you wear it's how you wear it. Edited August 31, 2021 by rodheadlee -2 Link to comment
bluebell Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 17 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: So I guess modest dress doesn't really change anything right? P.S Here is a tip. It's not what you wear it's how you wear it. So, what I hear you saying is that if women just wouldn't wear clothes a certain way, then they would never be sexually assaulted. Is that what you are saying? 1 Link to comment
rodheadlee Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, bluebell said: So, what I hear you saying is that if women just wouldn't wear clothes a certain way, then they would never be sexually assaulted. Is that what you are saying? Nothing is ever that certain there are evil people everywhere. Saying that the way a woman carries herself matters more than what she is wearing. -3 Link to comment
Raingirl Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 50 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: Nothing is ever that certain there are evil people everywhere. Saying that the way a woman carries herself matters more than what she is wearing. So if a woman doesn’t carry herself the “right way, she’s asking to be assaulted? 1 Link to comment
rodheadlee Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, Raingirl said: So if a woman doesn’t carry herself the “right way, she’s asking to be assaulted? Why are you all taking the worse case scenario from my meager words? I give up. NO ONE SHOULD BE ASSAULTED. I've suppose you never heard the term Shake Your Money Maker or bedroom eyes. My wife could wear a sheet and look like a Motab member or she could wear the same sheet and look like a sex symbol ready for a night in the rack. I'll just shut up now. -7 Link to comment
Amulek Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 hours ago, Raingirl said: So if a woman doesn’t carry herself the “right way, she’s asking to be assaulted? Absolutely not. That being said, there actually has been some research on how criminals identify potential targets, and body language is one of the cues they take into consideration when selecting victims (see, e.g., here). Link to comment
Popular Post BlueDreams Posted August 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Amulek said: Absolutely not. That being said, there actually has been some research on how criminals identify potential targets, and body language is one of the cues they take into consideration when selecting victims (see, e.g., here). This is very different the rodheadlee’s inferences with “bedroom eyes” and other things that suggest signs of sexual flirting or openness. This one’s more so showing signs of victimhood through being more submissive and thus less likely to talk or fight back. Basically predators are looking for prey: people deemed weaker or more vulnerable in some way. though I’d also point out this research noted has one big gaping flaw: it’s only focused on violent psychopaths who got convicted of sexual assault. Those are unfortunately the minority of sexual assault cases (as in a small sliver of the whole). Most perpetrators do not fit this description. There’s more perpetration by people who don’t name what they did as sexual assault, but it fits the def. Men who repeatedly get away with this and may more likely hold beliefs that perpetuate their assumptions of women really being willing to some degree in the end or because she does A she’s really open to B…even if she made it clear in the beginning she most certainly wasn’t. I have actually talked to people who’ve assaulted. And due to my line of work, I’ve gotten the sliver that are deemed marital rape. I’ve also worked with victims of sexual assault. I’ve read a heck of a lot of research on this too. Which makes me pretty comfortable saying rodheadlee is hitting some serious foul balls on this one. with luv, BD Edited August 31, 2021 by BlueDreams 7 Link to comment
Calm Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 13 hours ago, rodheadlee said: My wife could wear a sheet and look like a Motab member or she could wear the same sheet and look like a sex symbol ready for a night in the rack. Rod, perhaps you could explain if you believe doing the latter would raise her risk of being assaulted or not. Serious question as you may be trying to say one thing but it is coming out in a way that implies something else. Link to comment
Mike Drop Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/30/2021 at 7:59 PM, rodheadlee said: You could always move to Afghanistan, those dirty western boys have all left according to #46. P.S the Taliban said Kabul airport will be open for normal travel. I think what rodheadlee is trying to convey is western men have gone above and beyond men of other countries such as Afghanistan, China, North Korea and African countries when it comes to protecting women on a personal level and through pro women legislation. Western men should be seen as heroes for fighting for the rights of women around the world. Link to comment
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