smac97 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Here: Quote A new survey released by Springtide Research Institute confirms what metaphysical store owners and veteran tarot readers have known since the term Gen Z was invented: Younger Americans, known for fashioning their own spirituality the way they curate their social media feeds, are doing so using well-established alternative practices. “There is such little ownership over a religious belief system that you’re just told all the right answers to. These other spiritual ways have a more personal connection — those personal ‘aha’ moments,” Jesse Brodka, a 22-year-old Roman Catholic, told Springtide. Springtide’s survey showed that 51% of its sample population, ages 13 to 25, engage in “tarot cards or fortunetelling.” Of that percentage, 17% practice daily, 25% once a week, 27% once a month and 31% less than once a month. Wow. I'm surprised at these numbers. Quote According to Springtide’s report, divination practices are most popular among young people who identify as Russian or Greek Orthodox (78.1%), Mormon (69.4%) or Jewish (62.1%). Atheists had the lowest interest in metaphysical-adjacent practices at 34.4%, followed closely by those identifying with no particular faith tradition. The numbers shift when daily or weekly practitioners of tarot and other fortunetelling arts are separated out from those who only dabble. In these cases, Orthodox youths still rank at the top at 38.8%, followed closely by those identifying as Muslim (34.6%) or Mormon (37.7%). The numbers of kids doing this stuff in the Church is pretty surprising to me. Thoughts? Thanks, -Smac Link to comment
carbon dioxide Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 They will get over it quickly. These methods of fortune telling are about as accurate as just rolling dice. Eventually they will grow out of it. Link to comment
smac97 Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said: They will get over it quickly. These methods of fortune telling are about as accurate as just rolling dice. Eventually they will grow out of it. I dunno. If I am reading the article right, 37.7 of those who identify as Latter-day Saint are "daily or weekly practitioners of tarot and other fortunetelling arts" (as compared to 69.4% who "only dabble"). Maybe I'm reading it wrong. Thanks, -Smac Link to comment
HappyJackWagon Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 34 minutes ago, smac97 said: Here: Wow. I'm surprised at these numbers. The numbers of kids doing this stuff in the Church is pretty surprising to me. Thoughts? Thanks, -Smac That number is very high, both for Mormons and non. I'm very skeptical. But if anyone has an etsy store perhaps they should add these items 1 Link to comment
smac97 Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said: That number is very high, both for Mormons and non. I'm very skeptical. But if anyone has an etsy store perhaps they should add these items I wonder if “tarot cards or fortunetelling” includes online stuff. It sure seems odd to think that huge numbers of kids are playing around with actual tarot cards, crystals, whatever. Thanks, -Smac 1 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 I have a Tarot deck. I needed it as a visual aid for something. I also know three ways of telling the future with regular playing cards. I learned two in Young Men’s (and the Young Women knew them too). I learned another on my mission and it was demonstrated to me using prophet cards. No, we didn’t take it seriously. If that counts as divination I would have been a yes. I remember I had one seminary teacher who was REALLY scared of ouija boards. Like convinced it auto-summoned demons scared. 1 Link to comment
bOObOO Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Where is the poll? Tarot cards are playing cards and some/many members of our Church do not approve of any games that uses or includes cards. I don't think cards are bad, but I do not approve of gambling. Playing with tarot cards isn't gambling. Link to comment
bOObOO Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 36 minutes ago, The Nehor said: I have a Tarot deck. I needed it as a visual aid for something. I also know three ways of telling the future with regular playing cards. I learned two in Young Men’s (and the Young Women knew them too). I learned another on my mission and it was demonstrated to me using prophet cards. No, we didn’t take it seriously. If that counts as divination I would have been a yes. I remember I had one seminary teacher who was REALLY scared of ouija boards. Like convinced it auto-summoned demons scared. Dead people will show up in many places whether summoned or invited or not. Not all dead people are demons, only a small percentage, actually. And there are no such things as zombies, which I would not like if there were. Ouija boards can be fun. Link to comment
bluebell Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 3 hours ago, smac97 said: Here: Wow. I'm surprised at these numbers. The numbers of kids doing this stuff in the Church is pretty surprising to me. Thoughts? Thanks, -Smac It’s easier. You don’t have to be living a certain way, you don’t have to practice, you don’t have to develop a personal relationship with Diety, you just flip over some cards. 4 Link to comment
Amulek Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 4 hours ago, smac97 said: The numbers of kids doing this stuff in the Church is pretty surprising to me. I'm pretty plugged in with youth in our ward, and this is most definitely not a thing. If I had to guess, the survey likely defines "divination" in a very broad way - such that it would encompass silly things like that MASH game they used to play back when I was a kid (in the olden days). Modern-day equivalents would be something like those online surveys where you answer a bunch of random questions (e.g., if you could only eat one food for the rest of your life what would it be?) and then it tells you how many kids you are going to have. If that counts as "fortunetelling" then yeah, I guess our kids are doomed. But probably more because they are developing time-wasting habits and not because they are abandoning their faith. 1 Link to comment
CV75 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 5 hours ago, smac97 said: Here: Wow. I'm surprised at these numbers. The numbers of kids doing this stuff in the Church is pretty surprising to me. Thoughts? Thanks, -Smac 3 cheers for undeveloped frontal lobes! 2 Link to comment
2BizE Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 According to BYU researchers, Tarot card readers and other “occult” practiced were common in early Mormonism. https://rsc-legacy.byu.edu/archived/our-rites-worship-latter-day-saint-views-ritual-history-scripture-and-practice/pouring-oil Link to comment
The Nehor Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 3 hours ago, bluebell said: It’s easier. You don’t have to be living a certain way, you don’t have to practice, you don’t have to develop a personal relationship with Diety, you just flip over some cards. Do you know how hard it is to channel the forces of prophecy? After all if it doesn’t work then how did the witch at Endor call up Samuel? And how did Saul avoid the cannibalistic Ewoks on the way? 4 Link to comment
halconero Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 Call me skeptical, but those numbers are suspect. The only possible way I can see it reaching that high is if they’re including checking the horoscope in the restaurant newspaper as a “divination practice.” 2 Link to comment
Calm Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) Quote Springtide works with partners to develop a random sampling adjusted to reflect national demographics and relies on comprehensive “quality” answers, not simply “bots,” explained Kevin Singer, head of media and public relations for the research group. I would like to see the questions and answers and the sampling process. Quote Springtide Research Institute was founded in 2019, rooted in the 300-year Lasallian heritage of being fiercely devoted to young people, and to provide for the human and spiritual needs of the young, especially the poor and marginalized. As the only sociological research institute in the United States solely dedicated to young people ages 13-25, Springtide gives voice to the emerging perceptions, beliefs and practices of young people at the intersections of their human and religious experiences. We pay attention to, deeply understand, then illuminate the shifting social and religious landscape in which the youngest generations are forming identity, shaping social connection, and making meaning in their lives. We are social scientists with a heart for young people. Our singular concern: the flourishing of all young people regardless of creed or identity. And, we have a singular aim: to help those who care about young people, care better. OUR FUNDING We receive funding through multiple channels. We sell research reports, offer services including expert keynotes, consulting and custom research for mission-driven organizations, and raise money through generous individuals and foundations. https://www.springtideresearch.org/about-us I am not seeing anything that says how the surveys were collected. And to claim to be THE authority on the subject of youth on 2 years of existence is a claim that makes me doubt their credibility. Of the 12 on the Research Advisory Board, only two appear to have a background in statistical research. The others appear to be religious and community leaders and activists. Their team comes across as light on researchers if that is their main focus (sounds like it is more designing programs for religious and community leaders), Head of Research, Associate, Fellow, and two interns. They come across with a more alternative faith vibe, so that could influence how they write up their surveys and do their interviews. You may be able to get access to the research itself by signing up, but I get enough spam, I only sign up for stuff I am using consistently. Edited August 14, 2021 by Calm Link to comment
Calm Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 So I tried to download for free, but it only took me to a page of links and when I clicked on the one link about the study itself, it took me to buy it for 20$. No thanks. Lots of graphics, low on info. Can’t find anything of substance until this recent press release except a promo on their fundraising advisory site. Link to comment
Popular Post The Nehor Posted August 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2021 2 hours ago, halconero said: Call me skeptical, but those numbers are suspect. The only possible way I can see it reaching that high is if they’re including checking the horoscope in the restaurant newspaper as a “divination practice.” I read the tea leaves and they told me that their methodology was flawed, their sample insufficiently random, and their question biased the answers. The leaves also told me that the time of reckoning is at hand and that soon the beast of the earth shall arise and consume us all. Then the leaves started screaming and caught on fire. I am sure it is nothing. 35 minutes ago, Calm said: So I tried to download for free, but it only took me to a page of links and when I clicked on the one link about the study itself, it took me to buy it for 20$. No thanks. Lots of graphics, low on info. Can’t find anything of substance until this recent press release except a promo on their fundraising advisory site. I cast the runestones about this and it says that $20 is a good deal for access to this kind of quality information. Then I sacrificed a sheep and read the entrails and they told me the runestones are a bunch of lying dimwits that have been bought out by Big Survey and never to trust them again. 6 Link to comment
Metis_LDS Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 I remember reading this some where. The article said it did happen. A man who was sure that he was cursed went to a fortune teller to find help with the curse. The fortune teller was a woman who was making spare money as a student enrolled in medicine. She was sure she was doing the right thing when she broke cover to tell him of her studies and said he had very serious symptoms and should see a doctor quickly. The man became enraged and wanted his money back. So we see that much of fortune telling is about meeting some expectations. Link to comment
Traela Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 4:41 PM, The Nehor said: I remember I had one seminary teacher who was REALLY scared of ouija boards. Like convinced it auto-summoned demons scared. I had several friends in college who were into the occult (all non-LDS, some Wiccans, if it matters) to greater or lesser extents. Some of them did tarot and runes and other methods of divinations. None of them would do ouija boards. They had all had experiences that led to the conviction that they were bad news. Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) On 8/13/2021 at 4:42 PM, smac97 said: Here: Wow. I'm surprised at these numbers. The numbers of kids doing this stuff in the Church is pretty surprising to me. Thoughts? Thanks, -Smac I don’t scoff. My niece and nephew (as teens) had a very unfortunate experience playing with a ouija board. Scared the heck out of them. They never did it again. I have been in several situations where a dark and evil presence was manifested. Just the opposite of the Holy Spirit. Very disconcerting. Edited August 16, 2021 by Bernard Gui 1 Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 11:15 PM, The Nehor said: Do you know how hard it is to channel the forces of prophecy? After all if it doesn’t work then how did the witch at Endor call up Samuel? And how did Saul avoid the cannibalistic Ewoks on the way? Ewok tailors have skills. 2 Link to comment
poptart Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/15/2021 at 1:55 PM, The Nehor said: Had a ouija board a while ago, never worked. Tarot cards were fun. In the end I grew up and discovered Hermeticism and esoteric things, actually going in that direction quite heavily nowadays. Link to comment
bOObOO Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, poptart said: Had a ouija board a while ago, never worked. Tarot cards were fun. In the end I grew up and discovered Hermeticism and esoteric things, actually going in that direction quite heavily nowadays. To make a Ouija board more fun it helps to invite a ghost to come play with you. Can you guess which of the 3 people shown below hasn't died, yet? When playing you may not be able to see everyone who is playing with you. Link to comment
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