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24 minutes ago, Calm said:

There is a difference between finding it funny—I certainly don’t—and recognizing there might be a need at some point for triage and this could be useful as one of the evaluation points. 

I didn't say otherwise.  However there are things to be considered before we pass any kind of judgement.  For example, I don't believe that all of those who are unvaccinated are foolish anti-vaxers.  My daughter, who is thirty, just got her vaccination last week.  She has never been anti vaccine and always planned to get it, but she is young and overwhelmed in life raising to small children, going to school and working.  They also planned a move to Idaho so her husband could go to school which meant him quitting his job and losing that income putting more pressure on her to help provide financially.  It just took her awhile to find time to get it done.  I don't think she is alone in this.  I think this calls for extreme compassion rather than shaming and ridicule.

Secondly, regarding hospitals, we are talking in hypotheticals that I don't think happen very often.  For example, if there are only three beds left, how often do four patients show up at exactly the same time with exactly the same degree of severity requiring a difficult choice.  Generally ERs will take people in the order they arrive or, in case of emergency, they may take a critical patient ahead of others, but they aren't going to turn away a patient who has already been admitted, just because they made a bad decision and someone more responsible just showed up that needs his bed.  I understand that it is tragic if a critical patient has to be turned away because there just isn't space available, but I would never advocate that some other patient have his IVs pulled out or oxygen taken away and be sent packing just because someone else better than they has a need.

Or better yet, how about we pass no judgement at all, we can never fully know or understand what is going on in a person's life.

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1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said:

🙃OK. I’ll take your bait.

12 people show up at an ER. All 12 are in need of life or death care, but there is only one ICU bed available. Who gets the bed and who gets ridiculed by a hypocritical “comedian” making a vanity appearance with a live cheering audience in the peak of a resurgent pandemic and is sent away to a miserable but well-deserved death?

1. A vaccinated heart attack victim.

2. An unvaccinated heart attack victim.

3. A vaccinated overdosed tweaker.

4. An unvaccinated tweaker.

5. A vaccinated drunk driver.

6. An unvaccinated drunk driver.

7. A vaccinated helmeted motorcycle rider who collided with a bus.

8. An unvaccinated unhelmeted motorcycle rider who collided with a bus.

9. A vaccinated murderer shot by police while trying to escape.

10. An unvaccinated murderer shot by police.

11. A vaccinated victim of a drunk driver.

12. An unvaccinated victim of a drunk driver.

13. An unvaccinated fellow who took ivermectin thinking it might cure his COVID.

14. An vaccinated fellow who took ivermectin thinking it might cure his COVID

 

We can play this game all night……🙃

 

 

 

 

I was at the ER from 5pm until 2am yestarday. They have "Urgent Care" and then a ER. Urgent care would describe all of those cases, people that need to see a Dr. right away. ER's are for less serious cases and it's a first come first serve basis. They don't ask you if you've been vaxxed or not. They ask you though if you have covid or have been exposed to covid because then they will put you away from the other patients. At least here is how they did that.

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9 minutes ago, T-Shirt said:

I didn't say otherwise. 

I was responding to BG…nope, I was responding to you. 
 

Going to shut down for a bit while my head explodes. 

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39 minutes ago, Duncan said:

I was at the ER from 5pm until 2am yestarday. They have "Urgent Care" and then a ER. Urgent care would describe all of those cases, people that need to see a Dr. right away. ER's are for less serious cases and it's a first come first serve basis. They don't ask you if you've been vaxxed or not. They ask you though if you have covid or have been exposed to covid because then they will put you away from the other patients. At least here is how they did that.

Yes. Thank you. Three weeks ago I had a similar experience. At the ER they determined I didn’t need to go to the ICU or the UC, but they did get me in right away because of my situation. 

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1 hour ago, pogi said:

I’m pretty sure I said that wasn’t my intent.  I’m pretty sure I said I disagree with him and would try to give care to everyone. You're not taking my point seriously.

take care

Thank you for playing.

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1 hour ago, T-Shirt said:

I can't believe there are people who find this funny.  I am surprised there are people on here trying to defend it.

Yeah. I floated it past my son Cellissimo. He thought the “joke” was abominable and that Kimmel was just trying to appear woke to his cheering fandom. We agreed that he is not a very good comedian. Neither of us could fathom why anyone would defend it.

🙃Of course we would agree because the nut does not fall from the tree.🙃

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25 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

I’m glad you’re not running triage at the ER, since you somehow think everyone can be treated equally regardless of resources or status. 

He is on a mission, don’t distract him with what is happening on the ground in hospitals right now.  
 

Deal with celebrities first...then Covid, that is the triage protocol.

 

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3 hours ago, smac97 said:

And another development:

I'm curious as to the constitutionality of these things.

Thanks,

-Smac

Looks like it's constitutional:

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RELAX ABOUT THE PUSH FOR VACCINE MANDATES. The Supreme Court said more than a hundred years ago in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that vaccine mandates are constitutional. Indeed, vaccine mandates might even improve your liberty. The idea that such rules could set a dangerous precedent is simply paranoid. As one of America’s most famous jurists once pointed out,

The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U. S. 11. Three generations of imbeciles are enough.

Oh.

Well, crap.

Thanks,

-Smac

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14 minutes ago, pogi said:

He is on a mission, don’t distract him with what is happening on the ground in hospitals right now.  

Including in Kentucky:

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U of L Health Shelbyville Hospital Chief Medical Officer Dr. Valerie Briones-Pryor said Thursday, before the guard announcement, that the current wave of COVID-19 is "much worse" than previous ones as patients are younger, sicker and mostly unvaccinated. 

But a real problem is staffing. Briones-Pryor said her hospital has ventilators and ICU space, for now, but "we might not have enough nurses to take care of them."

"And that's the issue now," she went on. "It's not only are we tired and fatigued and whatnot from doing this for over a year, but now we're just — there's not enough of us" between staff quarantines and people quitting.

In addition to deploying the National Guard, maybe America can mandate a conscription of medical personnel?

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6 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Including in Kentucky:

In addition to deploying the National Guard, maybe America can mandate a conscription of medical personnel?

it's isn't like they have unemployed medical personnel hanging around waiting for jobs to conscript. I suspect that with covid people just burnout and quit. These types of jobs take years to train for and so they are scrambling to find something to fix the issue. The other issue is doing vaccinations. Here they are taking literally anyone with any kind of medical or dental, vet. background to do the shots. SO you have these older folks on TV saying "I haven't given a shot to anyone in 15 years and it was fun to do again" Our retired dentist temple president was doing them or may still yet be.

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1 hour ago, Duncan said:

I was at the ER from 5pm until 2am yestarday. They have "Urgent Care" and then a ER. Urgent care would describe all of those cases, people that need to see a Dr. right away. ER's are for less serious cases and it's a first come first serve basis. They don't ask you if you've been vaxxed or not. They ask you though if you have covid or have been exposed to covid because then they will put you away from the other patients. At least here is how they did that.

So in canada urgent care is for emergencies but the Emergency Room is for things that are too urgent to wait to see your regular doctor but not an emergency?

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I wonder if they made it that way because while we were there, lots of people treated the ER like a walk-in clinic, even though there were lots of clinics around. 

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33 minutes ago, bluebell said:

So in canada urgent care is for emergencies but the Emergency Room is for things that are too urgent to wait to see your regular doctor but not an emergency?

so yeah urgent care is more of an urgent emergency that can't wait and sometime these Drs get called in if a special case showed up. When I had my seizure back in 2013 there was some kind of a specialist which i'm sure was called in. I didn't wait or anything, when the ambulance took me there they were ready to deal with me. Then ER type stuff it really depends on the person, what happened, and how long of a wait time there is. Sometimes family Drs. will send someone to the ER but sometimes it goes the other way. So, for example if a kid shoved a crayon up his nose and their pediatrician was on vacation or it happened at night and the Dr. doesn't work then then yeah they would go to the ER but if the Pediatrician could take of it, the ER then could deal with other cases. One thing too is the ER typically don't give out presciptions, they will give you whatever you need to hold you over until you can see your family dr. and they take care of that stuff

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41 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

I’m glad you’re not running triage at the ER, since you somehow think everyone can be treated equally regardless of resources or status. 

Those are your words, not mine. I think no such thing. 

🙃alert. Darnit Jim! I’m a violinist, not a doctor.

It’s not about equity in the ER. This is all about a mediocre hypocritical comedian making a gratuitous morbid tasteless offensive contemptible uncharitable “joke” in a vanity appearance during a deathly resurgence of a pandemic disease who is cheered by a woke sycophantic audience who would have cancelled another entertainer that wished death on anyone else.end 🙃 alert

I wonder if he with his producers and writers had this conversation sometime before the show aired? 

🙃🙃🙃alert “OK peeps. We have my big welcome-back-from-the-hiatus show next week. It’s gonna be great! Ratings through the roof! The band is pumped? Great! Who are our guests? Tiffany Haddish, David Chase, and Imagine Dragons? Yes! Incredible talent! Thanks! 

Let’s work on the monologue. What’s happening out there? Where are the laughs? Who do we skewer? People are eating horse goo? What the heck? Ivermectin…? What? Oh. You’re kidding, right? For real? Now that’s gold!

”Those idiot Right-wing whackadoodles! Why don’t they just go away and die? Oh wait! There’s the punchline. Flesh it out for me. Yeah that’s fantastic. I love the ”RIP, Wheezy” bit. Love that image of them lying there wheezing while their pathetic lives fade away…. Brilliant! Next joke….

”What? Optics? What optics? Health concerns during a serious resurgence of COVID? Are you for real? Put the show off until the pandemic surge dies down? Who hired this joker? Do it with just cameras, a laugh track, and no audience? Are you kidding me? They love me! Get this person outta here! You’re done, lady! Next joke….”

Prolly not.

End 🙃🙃🙃alert.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Duncan said:

so yeah urgent care is more of an urgent emergency that can't wait and sometime these Drs get called in if a special case showed up. When I had my seizure back in 2013 there was some kind of a specialist which i'm sure was called in. I didn't wait or anything, when the ambulance took me there they were ready to deal with me. Then ER type stuff it really depends on the person, what happened, and how long of a wait time there is. Sometimes family Drs. will send someone to the ER but sometimes it goes the other way. So, for example if a kid shoved a crayon up his nose and their pediatrician was on vacation or it happened at night and the Dr. doesn't work then then yeah they would go to the ER but if the Pediatrician could take of it, the ER then could deal with other cases. One thing too is the ER typically don't give out presciptions, they will give you whatever you need to hold you over until you can see your family dr. and they take care of that stuff

Interesting.  Here Urgent care really just means too urgent to wait to get an appointment with a doctor.  So, crayon up the nose would go to urgent care (if it was open).  Emergency Room is supposed to be for emergencies but people go there for whatever reason they want, which is why the wait times can sometimes be long.  Crayon up the nose could choose to go there (or would if urgent care and their doctor weren't options for whatever reason) but if someone had a metal bar through their head, they would go there too.

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50 minutes ago, Duncan said:

it's isn't like they have unemployed medical personnel hanging around waiting for jobs to conscript. I suspect that with covid people just burnout and quit. These types of jobs take years to train for and so they are scrambling to find something to fix the issue.

Details, details. Just get me some damn nurses!

I'm sure that will work ...

But seriously, a former ward member who lives in a neighbouring jurisdiction was working for a private health contractor as a social worker. He finally quit because they kept forcing him to go to Covid floors to assist the nurses because they simply don't have enough trained medical personnel. He was considered 'qualified' for this work after completing a single online training module. He said it terrified him because he literally had no clue what he was doing. Equal access to quality care for everyone!

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16 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Interesting.  Here Urgent care really just means too urgent to wait to get an appointment with a doctor.  So, crayon up the nose would go to urgent care (if it was open).  Emergency Room is supposed to be for emergencies but people go there for whatever reason they want, which is why the wait times can sometimes be long.  Crayon up the nose could choose to go there (or would if urgent care and their doctor weren't options for whatever reason) but if someone had a metal bar through their head, they would go there too.

I think during pre covid times that would true for us here, generally speaking. Things change too. Sometimes some Drs. could deal with they normally wouldn't if there aren't major cases and you could get in and out or maybe not. I had a facial nerve problem some years ago and I went to the main hospital ER to deal with it and I got in in less than an hour. Now, though yeah i'd be waiting. It happened on a saturday night so I couldn't wait to see my Dr. possibly on the monday, so you could take a chance with the ER or be in pain until your Dr. could deal with it-just depends. yeah, metal bar through the head is Urgent care and stat!!!!!! We have walk in clinics as well, which are like a ER but smaller and deal with cuts, ingrown toenails-usually though for that its people who don't have a family Dr. or it's not a real problem but someone needs to see you before too long. They have opening and closing times though, ERs don't so anyone at any time could wander in with whatever. They have wait times that are long too, but just depends too on the other patients and amount of staff.

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2 hours ago, BlueDreams said:

I will come clean and confess that I laughed a little when I watched the bit. I have a part of me that really enjoys dark humor. Dark irony, karma, people getting hurt in outrageous ways, etc will all make me laugh to some degree. The pandemic and the level of "I can't believe this is where we're at right now" has definitely moved that up a notch. I assume it's a coping mechanism (laugh or cry or get enraged....probs should choose the first option)

For the record, I would have a huge problem if hospitals started to take comedians and public opinion into account of who they should treat first.

Yes, but when the dark humor is directed at a group that is politically protected, the comedian gets cancelled. Only certain people are acceptable  targets, such as those Kimmel goes after here. Many famous comedians hesitate to perform now for that reason. IMO it is wrong to get a laugh by wishing death on a group one dislikes but in the next breath destroying someone who picks on what one considers a favored group. I’m not saying you do this.

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1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Including in Kentucky:

In addition to deploying the National Guard, maybe America can mandate a conscription of medical personnel?

🙃. Even in Kentucky! Touché!🙃

No, in America such folks go of their own free will to help at their own expense because………they are Americans.

That’s why Saints from all over the South have travelled  long distances at their own expense to help victims of the the hurricane and flooding in Louisiana, Tennessee, and Kentucky. And the Church is always among the first to come into disaster areas because of the generosity of the Saints worldwide, but particularly those in America, who help foot the bills.

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1 hour ago, Duncan said:

it's isn't like they have unemployed medical personnel hanging around waiting for jobs to conscript. I suspect that with covid people just burnout and quit. These types of jobs take years to train for and so they are scrambling to find something to fix the issue. The other issue is doing vaccinations. Here they are taking literally anyone with any kind of medical or dental, vet. background to do the shots. SO you have these older folks on TV saying "I haven't given a shot to anyone in 15 years and it was fun to do again" Our retired dentist temple president was doing them or may still yet be.

It’s wonderful to see folks pull together in times of trial. Several doctors, nurses, and dentists I know volunteer their time to go to stricken areas that need extra help. It’s what they swore an oath to do. It’s in their nature. 

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