Covid III: Delta Force

[pogi]

2 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I barely stopped wearing them at the school. And might go back, especially since reading the above article about brain damage and my MIL going downhill fast after getting covid and having had been vaxxed. 

I don't want to take any chances, with my poor brain. And my likelihood of getting Alzheimer's like my mom in her early sixties.

I can't stand people like this horrible dude that might harass people, although come at me people, I'm ready, haha. 

That makes my skin boil.  How dare he question the motivations of those teenagers for wearing a mask and suggest it is "just political theater"!  How dare he use his position of authority to publicly belittle and embarrass teenagers.  

[longview]

1 hour ago, pogi said:

That makes my skin boil.

Blood boil? Skin blister? Stomach puke?

[strappinglad]

Just saw the list released by Pfizer of adverse effects from the vaccine. My goodness !!!

[pogi]

1 hour ago, strappinglad said:

Just saw the list released by Pfizer of adverse effects from the vaccine. My goodness !!!

Link?

[pogi]

1 hour ago, longview said:

Blood boil? Skin blister? Stomach puke?

No, I literally break out in boils all over my skin just thinking about his nastiness...but really I meant "blood".  Oops. 

[strappinglad]

32 minutes ago, pogi said:

Link?

Pfizer’s COVID vaccine has 1 291 RARE side effects, own report shows (msn.com)

Just one from a google search. Pick your poison. 👿

[pogi]

1 hour ago, strappinglad said:

Pfizer’s COVID vaccine has 1 291 RARE side effects, own report shows (msn.com)

Just one from a google search. Pick your poison. 👿

I would be curious to read the wording in the report to see if these are identified with a causal relationship, or if this is a list of identified as correlational in the trials.  They have to list everything that happens within a certain time period of vaccination, whether or not the vaccine causes it.  

Either way, they all seem to be extremely rare and less than 1% of people actually sought medical care after vaccination.  No comparison in a risk vs benefit analysis. 

[Bernard Gui]

On 3/8/2022 at 11:25 AM, ksfisher said:

COVID-19 can cause changes in the brain, study finds

A new COVID-19 symptom includes the brain losing gray matter

What they found: The study found that there was shrinkage and tissue damage in brain areas related to sense of smell, as well as areas associated with brain function.

 

• The damage does not naturally occur with people who were not infected with COVID-19, the study said.
• Those who required hospitalization from their COVID-19 infection had the most brain changes, according to USA Today.
• Older participants had more changes than young participants, according to USA Today.

Why it matters: This study adds to the growing body of evidence that the novel coronavirus can have an impact on a patient’s brain, showing the long-term impact of COVID-19.

What they’re saying: “To me, this is pretty convincing evidence that something changes in brains of this overall group of people with Covid,” Dr. Serena Spudich, chief of neurological infections and global neurology at the Yale School of Medicine, told The New York Times.

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2022/3/8/22965766/covid-19-symptom-brain-changes-gray-matter-tissue

Yes. It can broaden paranoia, deepen depression, increase anxiety, and heighten irrational fear.

[pogi]

1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said:

Yes. It can broaden paranoia, deepen depression, increase anxiety, and heighten irrational fear.

I know you are saying this tongue-in-cheek, but unfortunately you are not wrong. 

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These cases all presented similarly, with new and recent-onset severe anxiety, agitation, paranoia, disorganized thinking, and none of the typical COVID-related respiratory or gastrointestinal symptoms or disturbances in taste and smell.Prior reports from the SARS CoV-1 epidemic identified a range of psychiatric complications in affected patients with SARS, including adjustment-related anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, as well as organic hallucinosis and organic manic disorder.3 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236749/

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Long-term survivors of SARS-CoV-1 were found to have post traumatic stress disorder (54%), depression (39%), panic disorder (32.5%), and obsessive compulsive disorder (15.6%) 31–50 months after the diagnosis; 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236749/

Long-Covid symptoms have been so unbearable to some it has led to suicide.  Here is one well known example:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/21/business/kent-taylor-dead.html

My wife has suffered from long-covid with neurological sequelae for well over a year and a half now.  It has been traumatic for her.  Insomnia, anxiety related to her symptoms, depression due to life changes and wondering when it will all end.  She is tired of wondering if her legs will hold her up when she gets out of bed in the morning.  Her muscles give out on her on occasion.   She is concerned that her tremors in her hands will never stop or even get worse.  She is depressed due to the brain fog and increased forgetfulness, she is literally tired from fatigue.  She gets these weird temperature disturbances where it feels like hot water is burning different parts of her body off and on in areas the size of a silver dollar.  She is tired of all the neurologists and specialists she has seen not having any info for her in terms of prognosis or treatment.   

Thank goodness things are settling down with Covid.  

 

Edited March 9, 2022 by pogi

[Raingirl]

9 minutes ago, pogi said:

I know you are saying this tongue-in-cheek, but unfortunately you are not wrong. 

Long-Covid symptoms have been so unbearable to some it has led to suicide.  Here is one well known example:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/21/business/kent-taylor-dead.html

My wife has suffered from long-covid with neurological sequelae for well over a year now.  It has been traumatic for her.  Insomnia, anxiety related to her symptoms, depression due to life changes and wondering when it will all end.  She is tired of wondering if her legs will hold her up when she gets out of bed in the morning.  Her muscles give out on her on occasion.   She is concerned that her tremors in her hands will never stop or even get worse.  She is depressed due to the brain fog and increased forgetfulness, she is literally tired from fatigue.  She is tired of all the specialists she has seen not having any info for her in terms of prognosis or treatment.   

 

 

 

And there are people who still insist that Covid is “just the flu”. 

[Calm]

https://www.riotimesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Pfizer-real-data-released.pdf
 

The actual report is the link above. 

[Calm]

My bishop is Justin Dyer*** and I had the most interesting discussion with him Monday about research he is doing. He drew my attention to this article just published:

https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/4/22947642/religiosity-predicts-better-teen-mental-health-during-covid-19-churches-faith-pandemic-suicide

One aspect that is relevant Imo to the vaccinate or not discussion is this:

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 Those who became sick with COVID-19 were 8% more likely to have considered suicide than those who did not become sick.

This is not proof of cause of course, but for those making claims that we don’t need to vaccinate youth because Covid has mostly mild effects on them, perhaps this might make them reconsider. 
 

There are other noteworthy findings that suggest to me we need to do a better job in supporting families that have been impacted financially by Covid.

***https://rsc.byu.edu/author/dyer-w-justin

Edited March 10, 2022 by Calm

[bsjkki]

20 minutes ago, Calm said:

My bishop is Justin Dyer*** and I had the most interesting discussion with him Monday about research he is doing. He drew my attention to this article just published:

https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/4/22947642/religiosity-predicts-better-teen-mental-health-during-covid-19-churches-faith-pandemic-suicide

One aspect that is relevant Imo to the vaccinate or not discussion is this:

This is not proof of cause of course, but for those making claims that we don’t need to vaccinate youth because Covid has mostly mild effects on them, perhaps this might make them reconsider. 
 

There are other noteworthy findings that suggest to me we need to do a better job in supporting families that have been impacted financially by Covid.

***https://rsc.byu.edu/author/dyer-w-justin

Most of the vaccinated teens I know got covid anyway. In my daughters theater group, she is the only one covid free so far. Most were vaxxed early and peer supported to keep wearing masks. 
 

After the omicron wave, I wonder what the stats are. Most people I know have had covid. Liberals, conservatives, vaxxed, unvaxxed and mask wearers alike.  
 

 

[JustAnAustralian]

15 minutes ago, Calm said:

https://www.riotimesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Pfizer-real-data-released.pdf
 

The actual report is the link above. 

My issue with generalised lists like this is that they include things that:

• are extremely obvious (injection site pain and swelling - you just got stabbed with a needle and had fluid injected of course there will be pain and swelling)
• don't make sense (covid19 infection - there is no sars-cov-2 in the pfizer vaccine)
• aren't the fault of the vaccination (off-label use, incorrect dosing)
• are neutral (drug ineffective)

At least in this case they actually have the explanation text associated with many of them.

[Calm]

9 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

Most of the vaccinated teens I know got covid anyway. In my daughters theater group, she is the only one covid free so far. Most were vaxxed early and peer supported to keep wearing masks

I will have to remember to ask him if they are able to pull out vaccinated or not info or if they were able to judge if increased severity of covid increased association of risks.  Bug me if I don’t mention it again in case I forget. 

Edited March 10, 2022 by Calm

[Hamba Tuhan]

21 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

Most people I know have had covid.

Interesting. I still can't say this. I'm aware of only a small handful of people in my ward who've had COVID (so far). Our EQ instructor and his family just finished a week of isolation after their daughter caught COVID, but neither he, his wife, nor their two other children picked it up at any point, as confirmed by multiple RAT and PCR tests. My co-worker's family is in the same position. His brother and sister-in-law live with her parents, her sister, and her sister's husband. The brother's wife caught COVID (probably at work; she's a teacher) and passed it along to her husband, but none of the other people in their household ever got it.

Neither I nor my two housemates have had it (we've all been tested using PCR). About three Sundays ago, one of our newly ordained deacons served the sacrament whilst unknowingly positive (he woke up with symptoms the next day). None of his family caught it from him (as confirmed once again by multiple tests), and we're unaware of any other ward members who did either.

I keep expecting to be infected at some point, but so far, nothing. 

Edited March 10, 2022 by Hamba Tuhan

[bsjkki]

10 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Interesting. I still can't say this. I'm aware of only a small handful of people in my ward who've had COVID (so far). Our EQ instructor and his family just finished a week of isolation after their daughter caught COVID, but neither he, his wife, nor their two other children picked it up at any point, as confirmed by multiple RAT and PCR tests. My co-worker's family is in the same position. His brother and sister-in-law live with her parents, her sister, and her sister's husband. The brother's wife caught COVID (probably at work; she's a teacher) and passed it along to her husband, but none of the other people in their household ever got it.

Neither I nor my two housemates have had it (we've all been tested using PCR). About three Sundays ago, one of our newly ordained deacons served the sacrament whilst unknowingly positive. None of his family caught it from him (as confirmed once again by multiple tests), and we're unaware of any other ward members who did either.

I keep expecting to be infected at some point, but so far, nothing. 

That is very different from my experience. All but one of my husbands employees has had covid and his uber covid safe business partners and peers got it with Omicron. He has not. I have one daughter who got it but it did not spread through our household of 8 people. We isolated her. Extended family and siblings have all had it and they live in 3 different states. 

[Hamba Tuhan]

On 3/9/2022 at 7:31 AM, cinepro said:

Update, Utah is now at a 6% positive test rate, and the 7-day-average of cases is down from its Omicron peak of 13,000/day to 273/day.

Thanks for this link. I find comparisons intriguing. In raw numbers, we're currently experiencing about double Utah's average daily case rate, but hospitalisations in Utah are nearly 20 times higher than ours, and ICU hospitalisations are about 100 times higher than ours! 

Edited March 10, 2022 by Hamba Tuhan

[Hamba Tuhan]

2 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

That is very different from my experience. All but one of my husbands employees has had covid and his uber covid safe business partners and peers got it with Omicron. He has not. I have one daughter who got it but it did not spread through our household of 8 people. We isolated her. Extended family and siblings have all had it and they live in 3 different states. 

I wonder what accounts for these huge differences. I'm inclined to say that part of it may be our high vaccination rate (stalled at 98.6 per cent), but there must be other factors at play too. Maybe we just need more time to 'catch up' with your corner of America?

[bsjkki]

13 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

I wonder what accounts for these huge differences. I'm inclined to say that part of it may be our high vaccination rate (stalled at 98.6 per cent), but there must be other factors at play too. Maybe we just need more time to 'catch up' with your corner of America?

I hope not. Omicron waves are hitting places that have had lower numbers. Hopefully high vaxx rates minimize hospitalizations and deaths. 

[Hamba Tuhan]

20 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

I hope not. Omicron waves are hitting places that have had lower numbers. Hopefully high vaxx rates minimize hospitalizations and deaths. 

Thanks! Yeah, as I noted above, we're having higher case rates than Utah but very low numbers in hospital and almost no deaths. Despite those high numbers, though, I still only know maybe a dozen people who've had confirmed COVID. We were told yesterday that more than one-quarter of our cases are currently coming from school students. The bulk of the rest are people in their 20s and 30s, with pubs and clubs being the most common sites of transmission after households.

[pogi]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

https://www.riotimesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Pfizer-real-data-released.pdf
 

The actual report is the link above. 

Yep, it is as I suspected.  From the report:

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Pfizer’s safety database contains cases of AEs reported spontaneously to Pfizer, cases reported by the health authorities, cases published in the medical literature, cases from Pfizer-sponsored marketing programs, non-interventional studies, and cases of serious AEs reported from clinical studies regardless of causality assessment. 

That list includes VAERS reports, so take the enormous amount of AEs (thousands) reported with a grain of salt. 

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An accumulation of adverse event reports (AERs) does not necessarily indicate that a particular AE was caused by the drug; rather, the event may be due to an underlying disease or some other factor(s) such as past medical history or concomitant medication. 


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Overall Conclusion: This cumulative case review does not raise new safety issues. Surveillance will continue. Causality assessment will be further evaluated following availability of additional unblinded data from the clinical study C4591001 


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Review of the available data for this cumulative PM experience, confirms a favorable benefit: risk balance for BNT162b2.

Bold and underline is mine.

There is a lot of either completely ignorant or intentionally deceptive reporting going on out there. 

Edited March 10, 2022 by pogi

[strappinglad]

What is the bit about the FDA wanting to keep this info classified for 75 years ?

 

A 55 000-page set of documents revealed the Pfizer Covid vaccine, Comirnaty, has 1,291 side effects.

The information was only released on 8 March, Tuesday, in a 38-page report. This followed a request made by the FDA’s CBER to suppress the data for the next 75 years. On 6 January, it was denied.

Edited March 10, 2022 by strappinglad

[JustAnAustralian]

The 75 years thing was bad reporting.

There are 450,000 pages which includes medical records. FDA said they only had the capacity to do 500 pages/month.

Don't forget, any trace of personally identifying information needs to be redacted.

They didn't want to keep them secret for 75 years, it would just take that long to process them all.

The judge is making them do 55000 a month. Let's see what happens when the inevitable happens and something isn't redacted properly. I doubt they will be saying that people should have listened to the FDA.

 

Edited March 10, 2022 by JustAnAustralian

[strappinglad]

For the terminally curious ,