AtlanticMike Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 When I was young I remember an old friend of my dad telling me hell would be here on Earth after the 1000 year reign of Jesus. I've also heard that hell is in a far off corner of the universe, in the center of the earth, in a black hole. Me personally, I think hell is a state of mind. I have no idea where we'll be while our mind is in this condition, but I doubt hell is actually a physical place. 4 Link to comment
ttribe Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Well, it's supposed to be 117F tomorrow where I live, so I think I've probably found it. 4 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, ttribe said: Well, it's supposed to be 117F tomorrow where I live, so I think I've probably found it. You must live in the west like I do, haha! The highest here is 107 in my town though. But, 117 is the extreme, almost like Death Valley. Link to comment
AtlanticMike Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 minute ago, ttribe said: Well, it's supposed to be 117F tomorrow where I live, so I think I've probably found it. I just looked up the temperature in Antarctica, it's now -85 degrees Fahrenheit there. I guarantee after about 90 seconds in Antarctica, you would be wishing for 117f😁. Maybe hell has already frozen over. 1 Link to comment
ttribe Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Tacenda said: You must live in the west like I do, haha! The highest here is 107 in my town though. But, 117 is the extreme, almost like Death Valley. Phoenix, AZ area. 122 is the hottest ever here. Link to comment
ttribe Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, AtlanticMike said: I just looked up the temperature in Antarctica, it's now -85 degrees Fahrenheit there. I guarantee after about 90 seconds in Antarctica, you would be wishing for 117f😁. Maybe hell has already frozen over. I truly despise the cold. Hawaii sounds nice, though. Now, about that lottery ticket... Link to comment
The Nehor Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_to_Hell_hoax Link to comment
Tacenda Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, ttribe said: Phoenix, AZ area. 122 is the hottest ever here. Oh dear, you are in hell. Link to comment
ttribe Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Oh dear, you are in hell. Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, ttribe said: Well, it's supposed to be 117F tomorrow where I live, so I think I've probably found it. J. Golden Kimball is reported, once, to have said, "If I had a house in St. George and a house in Hell , I'd rent out the one in St. George and live in Hell !" (If you want at least a little bit of relief, actually, you could come up to St. George: It's only supposed to hit 111 °F there tomorrow! ) Edited June 16, 2021 by Kenngo1969 1 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Actually, Hell is in Michigan. Allegedly, when they asked the guy who spearheaded the settlement what, for official purposes, it should be named, he said, "You can name it Hell , for all I care!" So, they did. https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/usa/michigan/articles/how-hell-michigan-got-its-name/ 1 Link to comment
Rain Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, ttribe said: Well, it's supposed to be 117F tomorrow where I live, so I think I've probably found it. I was going to say something similar. I am with a refugee organization that moves furniture and household goods into refugee apartments. Last week in our planning group someone made a typo about a setup for today that we all found appropriate: "Plan on me and at least one other person to hell with the set up Wednesday." 2 Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Where is not really a relevant question. What is a more meaningful question. D&C 121:4 says that Hebrew Sheol is a “dark and benighted dominion.” The Prophet Hosea combines that as Mot and She’ol (Death and Hell), Hebrew šĕʼôl, māwet (Hosea 13:14) = Greek Thanatos kai Hadēs (Revelation 1:18, 6:8, 20:13-14). Ancient Egyptian uses the same word as Semitic languages for "death" (mt, mwt), and, despite all the levels of Greek Hades, when we speak of Hell, we usually mean what the ancient Egyptians saw as the “second death” (Egyptian mt m wḥm, or mwt.f m wḥm),[1] or the final death in a “lake of fire,”[2] which one also finds in the Book of Revelation (2:11, 20:6,14, 21:8), and in the Book of Mormon (2 Nephi 9:16,19,26, Jacob 3:11, 6:10, Mosiah 3:27, Alma 12:17, 14:14). We find a volcanic "lake of fire" in Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8 (“eternal fire” Matthew 25:41). Of course, fire has long been the dwelling place of the wicked: 2 Baruch 44:15, 48:39,43, 59:2, 64:7, 85:13, 4 Maccabees 9:8-9, Apocalypse of Zephaniah 6:2. All such descriptive terms are likely figurative only. The ancient Egyptians believed in eternal punishment for the wicked, which is the whole point of the declaratory ritual and psychostasy in Book of the Dead 125 (with Judgment Scene).[3] [1] Budge, Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary, 177a. Sahidic Coptic ⲡⲙⲟⲩ ⲙⲙⲉϩⲥⲛⲁⲩ. [2] Jan Assmann, Death and Salvation in Ancient Egypt (Cornell Univ Press, 2005), 74-76, 426. [3] J. Welch, ed., Reexploring the Book of Mormon (FARMS/Deseret, 1992), 284-285. Book of Mormon Central, “Why Does Jacob Choose a ‘Monster’ as a Symbol of Death and Hell? (2 Nephi 9:10),” KnoWhy #34, Feb 16, 2016, online at https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/content/why-does-jacob-choose-a-%E2%80%9Cmonster%E2%80%9D-as-a-symbol-for-death-and-hell. Book of Mormon Central, “Why Does the Book of Mormon Warn that a Lake of Fire and Brimstone Awaits Sinners in the Afterlife? (2 Nephi 9:16),” KnoWhy #446, July 3, 2018, online at https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/content/why-does-the-book-of-mormon-warn-that-a-lake-of-fire-and-brimstone-awaits-sinners-in-the . Largey, Dennis L., “Hell, Second Death, Lake of Fire and Brimstone, and Outer Darkness,” in The Book of Mormon and the Message of the Four Gospels, ed. Ray L. Huntington and Terry B. Ball, 77-89. Provo, UT: BYU Religious Studies Center, 2001. Tromp, N. J. Primitive Conceptions of Death and the Netherworld in the Old Testament, BiOr 12. Rome: Pontifical Biblical Institute, 1969. Zandee, Jan. Death as an Enemy: According to Ancient Egyptian Conceptions. Leiden: Brill, 1960. 2 Link to comment
InCognitus Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, AtlanticMike said: When I was young I remember an old friend of my dad telling me hell would be here on Earth after the 1000 year reign of Jesus. I've also heard that hell is in a far off corner of the universe, in the center of the earth, in a black hole. Me personally, I think hell is a state of mind. I have no idea where we'll be while our mind is in this condition, but I doubt hell is actually a physical place. Which "hell" do you mean? There are at least two described in scripture, and three if you count Phoenix, Arizona in June-July. Link to comment
ttribe Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 minute ago, InCognitus said: Which "hell" do you mean? There are at least two described in scripture, and three if you count Phoenix, Arizona in June-July. And August. August might be the worst, actually. 2 Link to comment
AtlanticMike Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 53 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Where is not really a relevant question. What is a more meaningful question. D&C 121:4 says that Hebrew Sheol is a “dark and benighted dominion.” The Prophet Hosea combines that as Mot and She’ol (Death and Hell), Hebrew šĕʼôl, māwet (Hosea 13:14) = Greek Thanatos kai Hadēs (Revelation 1:18, 6:8, 20:13-14). Ancient Egyptian uses the same word as Semitic languages for "death" (mt, mwt), and, despite all the levels of Greek Hades, when we speak of Hell, we usually mean what the ancient Egyptians saw as the “second death” (Egyptian mt m wḥm, or mwt.f m wḥm),[1] or the final death in a “lake of fire,”[2] which one also finds in the Book of Revelation (2:11, 20:6,14, 21:8), and in the Book of Mormon (2 Nephi 9:16,19,26, Jacob 3:11, 6:10, Mosiah 3:27, Alma 12:17, 14:14). We find a volcanic "lake of fire" in Revelation 19:20, 20:10,14-15, 21:8 (“eternal fire” Matthew 25:41). Of course, fire has long been the dwelling place of the wicked: 2 Baruch 44:15, 48:39,43, 59:2, 64:7, 85:13, 4 Maccabees 9:8-9, Apocalypse of Zephaniah 6:2. All such descriptive terms are likely figurative only. The ancient Egyptians believed in eternal punishment for the wicked, which is the whole point of the declaratory ritual and psychostasy in Book of the Dead 125 (with Judgment Scene).[3] [1] Budge, Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary, 177a. Sahidic Coptic ⲡⲙⲟⲩ ⲙⲙⲉϩⲥⲛⲁⲩ. [2] Jan Assmann, Death and Salvation in Ancient Egypt (Cornell Univ Press, 2005), 74-76, 426. [3] J. Welch, ed., Reexploring the Book of Mormon (FARMS/Deseret, 1992), 284-285. Book of Mormon Central, “Why Does Jacob Choose a ‘Monster’ as a Symbol of Death and Hell? (2 Nephi 9:10),” KnoWhy #34, Feb 16, 2016, online at https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/content/why-does-jacob-choose-a-%E2%80%9Cmonster%E2%80%9D-as-a-symbol-for-death-and-hell. Book of Mormon Central, “Why Does the Book of Mormon Warn that a Lake of Fire and Brimstone Awaits Sinners in the Afterlife? (2 Nephi 9:16),” KnoWhy #446, July 3, 2018, online at https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/content/why-does-the-book-of-mormon-warn-that-a-lake-of-fire-and-brimstone-awaits-sinners-in-the . Largey, Dennis L., “Hell, Second Death, Lake of Fire and Brimstone, and Outer Darkness,” in The Book of Mormon and the Message of the Four Gospels, ed. Ray L. Huntington and Terry B. Ball, 77-89. Provo, UT: BYU Religious Studies Center, 2001. Tromp, N. J. Primitive Conceptions of Death and the Netherworld in the Old Testament, BiOr 12. Rome: Pontifical Biblical Institute, 1969. Zandee, Jan. Death as an Enemy: According to Ancient Egyptian Conceptions. Leiden: Brill, 1960. Thanks Robert, I always learn a lot from your post. 1 Link to comment
AtlanticMike Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 38 minutes ago, InCognitus said: Which "hell" do you mean? There are at least two described in scripture, and three if you count Phoenix, Arizona in June-July. After final judgement hell. I was always taught it was an actual physical place. You remember the pictures of the glories of heaven and hell, they're always depicted as planets. But the older I get, the more I interact with people, happy people, sad people, hurt people, abused people, the more I think "hell" and glories may be states of mind. Maybe the celestial kingdom is an eternal state of happiness, void of worry, jealousy, resentment, hatred and etc. With hell being a state of worry, jealousy, resentment and hatred. I think there's a good chance if there is life after our mortal existence, we won't be separated physically. 1 Link to comment
InCognitus Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, AtlanticMike said: After final judgement hell. I was always taught it was an actual physical place. You remember the pictures of the glories of heaven and hell, they're always depicted as planets. But the older I get, the more I interact with people, happy people, sad people, hurt people, abused people, the more I think "hell" and glories may be states of mind. Maybe the celestial kingdom is an eternal state of happiness, void of worry, jealousy, resentment, hatred and etc. With hell being a state of worry, jealousy, resentment and hatred. I think there's a good chance if there is life after our mortal existence, we won't be separated physically. I think you are on the right track with the state of mind idea, but maybe not with some of the emotions you listed. Joseph Smith taught: Quote History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.14, p.314 A man is his own tormentor and his own condemner. Hence the saying, They shall go into the lake that burns with fire and brimstone. The torment of disappointment in the mind of man is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstone. I say, so is the torment of man. As for the physical separation, look up how the phrase "cut off" is used in the scriptures. You will find that the righteous will inherit the earth, while the wicked will be "cut off" from among God's people. And according to Mormon 9:1-5, they won't want to be together: Quote 1 And now, I speak also concerning those who do not believe in Christ. 2 Behold, will ye believe in the day of your visitation—behold, when the Lord shall come, yea, even that great day when the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, yea, in that great day when ye shall be brought to stand before the Lamb of God—then will ye say that there is no God? 3 Then will ye longer deny the Christ, or can ye behold the Lamb of God? Do ye suppose that ye shall dwell with him under a consciousness of your guilt? Do ye suppose that ye could be happy to dwell with that holy Being, when your souls are racked with a consciousness of guilt that ye have ever abused his laws? 4 Behold, I say unto you that ye would be more miserable to dwell with a holy and just God, under a consciousness of your filthiness before him, than ye would to dwell with the damned souls in hell. 5 For behold, when ye shall be brought to see your nakedness before God, and also the glory of God, and the holiness of Jesus Christ, it will kindle a flame of unquenchable fire upon you. (Mormon 9:1–5) Edited June 16, 2021 by InCognitus 2 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) I don't think that the vast majority of us (any of us really, given how hard it is to go to hell in Latter-day Saint soteriology) have to worry about going to hell. All of us are destined for some kingdom of glory, and I think that, by and large, we'll be content with where we end up. (It'll be easiest to satisfy the folks who weren't expecting any kind of an afterlife: "Whoa, I'm still here! Cool!" 👍) As for where it is, while it might be difficult for me to qualify for much more than a modest little cottage on the outskirts of the Celestial City, since, nevertheless, by contrast, I don't plan on going to hell, I'm not too worried about it. Edited June 16, 2021 by Kenngo1969 Link to comment
jkwilliams Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 David O. McKay said it was Scotland. Link to comment
pogi Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 4 hours ago, AtlanticMike said: When I was young I remember an old friend of my dad telling me hell would be here on Earth after the 1000 year reign of Jesus. I've also heard that hell is in a far off corner of the universe, in the center of the earth, in a black hole. Me personally, I think hell is a state of mind. I have no idea where we'll be while our mind is in this condition, but I doubt hell is actually a physical place. Well, we can rule out earth after the millennium as prophecy tells us it will become a urim and thumim ...the celestial kingdom. We know that it will be a physically separate location from the 3 kingdoms of glory. We know that both spirits and resurrected beings will exist there, but most of what exists in scripture, I am led to believe, is descriptive of the state of mind, including the descriptor “outer darkness”. 1 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 5 hours ago, jkwilliams said: David O. McKay said it was Scotland. He would. He's Welsh. Link to comment
Freedom Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 hell is not a place. Hell is a state of being. Being damned means being blocked. Giving is a specific location is a very temporal and mortal perspective. We will choose to damn ourselves. Hell for one is heaven for another. A loving god would never banish a child to 'hell'. Some simply will not want to enjoy the wonders of a celestial existence. The earth will be perfected and will become a source of knowledge, but to suppose the righteous live in houses on a planet the way we exist today and the wicked will live on some black planet galaxies away is small thinking. 2 Link to comment
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