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1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said:

Your argument here is that the Pope has "a deep affinity for socialism and various radical causes" because the left likes him. That's VERY weak.

Guilt by association.

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7 hours ago, longview said:

Pope Francis is well known to have a deep affinity for socialism and various radical causes.  As such, he is susceptible to the excesses of the extremist environmentalists and the false narratives of global warming.

That statement you make when American-centric right-wing political ideology is your true first religion, and you have absolutely no sense of decorum.

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9 hours ago, longview said:

Pope Francis is well known to have a deep affinity for socialism and various radical causes.  As such, he is susceptible to the excesses of the extremist environmentalists and the false narratives of global warming.

You're known to have a deep affinity to biased news sources. you are susceptible to their excesses

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30 minutes ago, Rajah Manchou said:

You're known to have a deep affinity to biased news sources. you are susceptible to their excesses

LOL.

And so where pray tell IS this mythic objective source of alleged news to be found?

I threw away my little red book 50 years ago and decided to actually think for myself.

Free at last!

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4 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

The climate has been changing since the earth was born. At no time has the climate not been changing. 

And people have been getting sick, growing old, and dying as long as there have been humans around.  Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be trying to change some of that.

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6 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

Your argument here is that the Pope has "a deep affinity for socialism and various radical causes" because the left likes him. That's VERY weak.

Richard Nixon visited China and met with Chairman Mao. Certainly Nixon isn't a communist because of it.

No worries, you're not offending me. I do think however that it is a gross mischaracterization to say that Francis has a "deep affinity for socialism and various radical causes." The evidence you've offered doesn't even come close to supporting that. Certainly, Francis is more liberal than previous pontiffs, but that's different from being a socialist or being radical.

God bless you, too!

Jesse...hey...I am a little surprised at your "defense" of Pope Francis. You think that Francis is not a communist, nor even a socialist? He is a misunderstood pontiff loved by those he doesn't like and disliked by those he loves? I wish I could be so persuaded that this were the case. I would love to think that the pope even liked people like me. 

I am just glad, that if I understand everyone here correctly, we seem to agree that it would not be good if Francis really were a socialist or a communist as those terms are generally understood? We all are against socialism? I am satisfied with that here. I have my doubts about Francis, (I tend to think He is an anti-Catholic commie) but persuade me that I am wrong. 

I truly would love to know that he has a care for anything after this life, instead of belief in some temporal earthly utopia patterned after failed modern political efforts which have resulted in blood, and horror, and death on a scale not known until the last 100 years. 

If I have been too hard on Pope Francis, the Orthodox, upholding Catholic Tradition, I would rejoice to repent, and admit my guilt, for misjudging a champion of the Catholic faith. Would to God I am wrong about Pope Francis.

Sincerely, to Jesse, and y'all,

3DOP

 

 

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11 hours ago, longview said:

Pope Francis is well known to have a deep affinity for socialism and various radical causes.  As such, he is susceptible to the excesses of the extremist environmentalists and the false narratives of global warming.

Thanks Longview...completely agree...your own don't like you attacking one who I see as an arch-enemy of the Catholic faith. What a weird world when I have to agree with an LDS about a bad pope, and other LDS find it distasteful!

Anyway, I hope we are wrong. 

Thanks again,

3DOP

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48 minutes ago, Calm said:

And people have been getting sick, growing old, and dying as long as there have been humans around.  Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be trying to change some of that.

I agree. We can start by cleaning up the ocean. Then we can build a bunch of nuclear power plants. I have had wind and solar power for 15 years now, it always has to be supported by diesel power for 1-2 hrs per day.

The earth will be here,  whether it can support more than 10 billion people remains to be seen. I doubt that we can stop climate change. 

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9 hours ago, Calm said:

And people have been getting sick, growing old, and dying as long as there have been humans around.  Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be trying to change some of that.

I agree with you, we should try, but what's happening today is anyone who disagrees slightly with the people screaming the loudest about climate change are shut down by being called all kinds of names. They're treated as if they're idiots. 

If the 18 year old prophetess and her mentor Al Gore want people like me to take climate change "seriously like they do😂", they should welcome opposition and encourage other perspectives. Or even give up a couple houses, maybe get down to one electric bill, But they don't, they demonize anyone who disagrees with them, they fear anyone who isn't under the safety umbrella they've provided,  leaving only one solution to ""reverse"" climate change. What they're doing is the exact opposite of what we should be doing! That's why I say climate change isn't about the science anymore, it has gone way beyond science and has formed a cult like status. 

   When people are scared to give an opinion because it doesn't conform to the status quo, we are in for a world of hurt. 

  

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2 hours ago, Rajah Manchou said:
13 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

And so where pray tell IS this mythic objective source of alleged news to be found?

Science

The interpretation of evidence and the development of conjectures is still compromised by irrational human biases.  When government makes politically motivated grants to research departments, it further erodes the integrity of the sciences.  When taxation is being vigorously demanded to deal with the "crisis" then you can be pretty sure it is socialism in disguise.  Totalitarianism is steadily ratcheted  upwards continually.

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14 hours ago, rodheadlee said:

The climate has been changing since the earth was born. At no time has the climate not been changing. 

That is not the issue in climate politics.  The first issue is:  Man has influenced the climate and the world is getting warmer.  The second issue is:  Man can do something about the first issue.

The proof of the first issue is very difficult, as statistical proof of a warming climate does not necessarily prove that issue.

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22 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

CFR, especially on "deep affinity" and "radical."

The reference needs to be from Pope Francis, not a right-wing biased news source "analysis."

So true.  It can be counter productive to associate hard science facts with politics.   We have had four years of this in the U.S. and the result has been a big step backwards in addressing climate issues.  

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4 hours ago, Rajah Manchou said:

Science

Ah yes, but it is useless in telling us about politics, religion and the purpose of life, isn't it?

It says nothing about anything important to our lives, and is trivially "objective" because its methodology defines the very word "objective". Yes objectivity is objective 

It is about mechanics, that's all.

Seeking historic evidence for scripture for example, tells us nothing about whether or not it is useful in our lives.

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23 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

CFR, especially on "deep affinity" and "radical."

The reference needs to be from Pope Francis, not a right-wing biased news source "analysis."

But left wing sources are just fine. :)

That's where you find the elite experts on everything 

They're college educated and everything!

 

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2 hours ago, longview said:

The interpretation of evidence and the development of conjectures is still compromised by irrational human biases.  When government makes politically motivated grants to research departments, it further erodes the integrity of the sciences.  When taxation is being vigorously demanded to deal with the "crisis" then you can be pretty sure it is socialism in disguise.  Totalitarianism is steadily ratcheted  upwards continually.

I love to see a right wing guy like me who understands post modernism.

Lefties are the new Fundamentalists. The cultural revolution has begun, hand out the red books.

Then the irrefutable OBJECTIVE TRUTH of Marxism will flourish!

I have already lived that nightmare.

So now ban me, and prove my point

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27 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

I love to see a right wing guy like me who understands post modernism.

Lefties are the new Fundamentalists. The cultural revolution has begun, hand out the red books.

Then the irrefutable OBJECTIVE TRUTH of Marxism will flourish!

I have already lived that nightmare.

So now ban me, and prove my point

Daaaaaaaaaang!!🤯

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3 hours ago, longview said:

The interpretation of evidence and the development of conjectures is still compromised by irrational human biases.  When government makes politically motivated grants to research departments, it further erodes the integrity of the sciences.  When taxation is being vigorously demanded to deal with the "crisis" then you can be pretty sure it is socialism in disguise.  Totalitarianism is steadily ratcheted  upwards continually.

How does one function living in a constant state of paranoia?

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9 minutes ago, ttribe said:

How does one function living in a constant state of paranoia?

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the assessment that something else is more important than fear.” ― Franklin D. Roosevelt.

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32 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Pope says that unrestricted markets are not a good thing when they cause suffering and hardship.

HE MUST BE A FILTHY COMMIE!!!!!!

One is left to wonder if there is a position between the two and if so, why some people want to deny that it might exist?

Despite the rhetoric, I've never met anyone who actually believed in laissez-faire capitalism.

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17 hours ago, Calm said:

And people have been getting sick, growing old, and dying as long as there have been humans around.  Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be trying to change some of that.

But not in a way that has undesired side effects that would harm everyone: the sick and elderly as well as the healthy. 
 

Added later: Not saying you are doing that, but some of the more radical activists advocate measures that would. (I could elaborate, but it would involve engaging in political discussion, and I’m targeted by moderators for being banned for that.)

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1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said:

But not in a way that has undesired side effects that would harm everyone: the sick and elderly as well as the healthy. 
 

Added later: Not saying you are doing that, but some of the more radical activists advocate measures that would. (I could elaborate, but it would involve engaging in political discussion, and I’m targeted by moderators for being banned for that.)

We need martyrs for the cause anyway- "fear not my little flock"  ;)  ;)

Nah, we deplorables need somebody who rites good  ;)

 

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