TheTanakas Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 I had a question on this section of the manual. 153 - King Noah and his priests believed that salvation came through the law of Moses. Abinadi wanted them to know that salvation comes through the Messiah, Jesus Christ. What was the origin of this apostasy in the church? I noticed that the manual skipped over one part in Mosiah chapter 13. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; But the seventh day, the sabbath of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it". Is this confirming that these days are literal and equal periods of time? Pete Link to comment
Kevin Christensen Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 No. The Genesis account of the creation runs parallel to the Exodus account of the election of the Tabernacle, a portable temple. The temple itself it a model of the heavens and the earth. The creation accounts are symbolic dramas (Nibley points out that Abraham includes stage directions), not scientific histories. Parables intend to liken different things to highlight common patterns for instructional purposes, not to declare one to one correspondence on every micro and macro detail as perfect identity. Kevin Christensen On vacation in Layton, Utah. Bound for California and grandaughters. 4 Link to comment
CV75 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 2 hours ago, TheTanakas said: I had a question on this section of the manual. 153 - King Noah and his priests believed that salvation came through the law of Moses. Abinadi wanted them to know that salvation comes through the Messiah, Jesus Christ. What was the origin of this apostasy in the church? I noticed that the manual skipped over one part in Mosiah chapter 13. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; But the seventh day, the sabbath of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it". Is this confirming that these days are literal and equal periods of time? Pete The origin of apostasy at the time of King Noah's reign is found here: Mosiah 11:1-5, but I highly recommend you prayerfully read the whole Book of Mormon in good faith. The manual did not skip any of the commandments: "Mosiah 12:33–37; 13:11–24 "What does it mean to have God’s commandments “written in [our] hearts”? (Mosiah 13:11). Maybe you could write some ideas (or draw pictures of your ideas) on a large heart-shaped paper. Why are the commandments precious to us? How can we write them in our hearts?" The first half of the scripture you quote is temporal according to our reckoning (24-hour days, 7 says a week); the second half is spiritual according to the Lord's teaching (Genesis 2: 4-5). 1 Link to comment
Jamie Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 3 hours ago, TheTanakas said: I had a question on this section of the manual. 153 - King Noah and his priests believed that salvation came through the law of Moses. Abinadi wanted them to know that salvation comes through the Messiah, Jesus Christ. What was the origin of this apostasy in the church? Some error in understanding that for some reason caused those who misunderstood to either leave the church or continue with that misunderstanding. Apostasy refers to some kind of falling away or departure from what is or should be.. 3 hours ago, TheTanakas said: I noticed that the manual skipped over one part in Mosiah chapter 13. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; But the seventh day, the sabbath of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it". Is this confirming that these days are literal and equal periods of time? Pete Yes that confirms those days are literal but there is no mention of how long those days were. God calls it a day while there is ight for however long or whatever duration there is light, so whenever darkness comes that marks the end of that day. 1 Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 On 5/19/2021 at 11:58 AM, Jamie said: Some error in understanding that for some reason caused those who misunderstood to either leave the church or continue with that misunderstanding. Apostasy refers to some kind of falling away or departure from what is or should be.. Yes that confirms those days are literal but there is no mention of how long those days were. God calls it a day while there is ight for however long or whatever duration there is light, so whenever darkness comes that marks the end of that day. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm 90%3A4%2C2 Peter 3%3A8&version=NIV Psalm 90:4 New International Version 4 A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night. Read full chapter Psalm 90:4 in all English translations 2 Peter 3:8 New International Version 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. Read full chapter 2 Peter 3:8 in all English translations Link to comment
Jamie Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm 90%3A4%2C2 Peter 3%3A8&version=NIV Psalm 90:4 New International Version 4 A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night. Read full chapter Psalm 90:4 in all English translations 2 Peter 3:8 New International Version 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. Read full chapter 2 Peter 3:8 in all English translations Genesis 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. The point being that a Day is where there is light and the light is divided from the darkness. Edited May 25, 2021 by Jamie Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Jamie said: Genesis 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. The point being that a Day is where there is light and the light is divided from the darkness. And who perceived that if there were no eyes to see it? Is there day at the bottom of the ocean where light never penetrates? I'm just playing now. Link to comment
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