Popular Post Meadowchik Posted April 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) When Religion Hurts: Structural Sexism and Health in Religious Congregations, by Patricia Homan and Amy Burdette, American sociological review, 2021-04, Vol.86 (2), p.234-255 Description: Quote An emerging line of research has begun to document the relationship between structural sexism and health. This work shows that structural sexism—defined as systematic gender inequality in power and resources—within U.S. state-level institutions and within marriages can shape individuals’ physical health. In the present study, we use a novel dataset created by linking two nationally representative surveys (the General Social Survey and the National Congregations Study) to explore the health consequences of structural sexism within another setting: religious institutions. Although religious participation is generally associated with positive health outcomes, many religious institutions create and reinforce a high degree of structural sexism, which is harmful for health. Prior research has not reconciled these seemingly conflicting patterns. We find that among religious participants, women who attend sexist religious institutions report significantly worse self-rated health than do those who attend more inclusive congregations. Furthermore, only women who attend inclusive religious institutions exhibit a health advantage relative to non-participants. We observe marginal to no statistically significant effects among men. Our results suggest the health benefits of religious participation do not extend to groups that are systematically excluded from power and status within their religious institutions. The paper discusses important reasons which could explain these differences, like access to leadership opportunities: Quote Religious structural sexism likely affects health via a number of pathways—for example, undermining psychosocial resources, increasing psychological distress, and increasing sexism in other structural domains—but additional scholarship is needed to understand how religious institutional sexism influences mental and physical health. Ancillary analyses finding that the impact of religious structural sexism does not vary by frequency of church attendance (i.e., no dose-response pattern) hints that psychological distress may not be the most important mechanism directly linking congregational sexism and health. Instead, participation in a sexist church may be an indicator of exposure to a whole system of structural sexism because it is part of a constellation of positions within various other institutions and relationships. Homan P, Burdette A. When Religion Hurts: Structural Sexism and Health in Religious Congregations. American Sociological Review. 2021;86(2):234-255. doi:10.1177/0003122421996686 To me, this is compelling and also not very surprising, as someone who has has starkly different experiences in sexist churches verses churches which are not sexist, relatively speaking. It is important, however, to have evidence such as this which is more than anecdotal. The Salt Lake Tribune has a story on the study, as does https://www.newswise.com/articles/study-explores-how-sexism-within-religious-congregations-shapes-women-s-health Edited April 21, 2021 by Meadowchik 5 Link to comment
Calm Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) Haven’t read it yet. Do they specifically reference Latter-day Saints? Just curious. Edited April 21, 2021 by Calm Link to comment
Meadowchik Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Calm said: Haven’t read it yet. Do they specifically reference Latter-day Saints? Just curious. Yes, they are mentioned twice: as among the list of denominations included in the study. And in this paragraph: Quote How might sexism in religious institutions disproportionally undermine women’s health? Religion may differentially affect the health of men and women through several institutional and non-institutional mechanisms. Indeed, religious institutions often dictate that men and women occupy separate domains both inside and outside of the church. Despite making up the majority of religious affiliates (Baker and Whitehead 2016), women are often prohibited from top organizational leadership positions, particularly within gender-traditional religions like conservative Protestantism, Orthodox Judaism, and Mormonism (Burke 2012). Currently, only around 15 percent of U.S. congregations are led by a woman (Chaves 2017; Chaves and Anderson 2008). The vast majority of these congregations are within the mainline Protestant tradition, which includes denominations such as The United Church of Christ, The United Methodist Church, American Baptist Churches USA, The Episcopal Church, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), and the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) (Ferguson 2018). 3 Link to comment
MustardSeed Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) A question was recently asked on a podcast recommended to me (that I’m not interested in continuing to listen to fwiw)- How might girls/women have been affected developmentally, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, if there were a more equal distribution of leadership in our church? (I personally do not post this question with the intention of challenging whether or not women should have the priesthood. Personally I don’t believe that. In fact I do think women have as much intrinsic power as men do, but I do not believe that we enact it nor that we recognize it, nor is it recognized by men as a whole. I also believe there’s plenty of room that is not used for women to hold positions of leadership and not just over women and children) I post this question simply because it stirred some thought for me around what I have simply accepted as a lifetime member of the church, vs what is the reality of impact of the way things are. Edited April 21, 2021 by MustardSeed sp 3 Link to comment
Meadowchik Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: A question was recently asked on a podcast recommended to me (that I’m not interested in continuing to listen to fwiw)- How might girls/women have been affected developmentally, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, if there were a more equal distribution of leadership in our church? (I personally do not post this question with the intention of challenging whether or not women should have the priesthood. Personally I don’t believe that. In fact I do think women have as much intrinsic power as men do, but I do not believe that we enact it nor that we recognize it, nor is it recognized by men as a whole. I also believe there’s plenty of room that is not used for women to hold positions of leadership and not just over women and children) I post this question simply because it stirred some thought for me around what I have simply excepted as a lifetime member of the church, vs what is the reality of impact of the way things are. Those are good questions. Humans are wonderfully adaptive, so much so that we may not realize how much we're adjusting for a deficit. For example, we had some very lean years early on in our marriage. We'd gone without nice things for so long that by the time we had a much better income, it took years before I felt comfortable buying some things we actually needed. Regarding the church, I think I felt like I was completely content with the complementary sexism of its structure, despite now being aware of real ways it negatively affected me. Edited April 21, 2021 by Meadowchik Link to comment
JustAnAustralian Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) Don't forget the worse self-reported health is only in comparison to "inclusive" religions. There is no difference in self-reported health compared to non-religious adherents. They surmise that religion stuff gives them a benefit, but that benefit is offset by sexism related decreases. Frequency of attendance also had no effect, only whether they attend or not. Edited April 21, 2021 by JustAnAustralian 2 Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Meadowchik said: When Religion Hurts: Structural Sexism and Health in Religious Congregations, by Patricia Homan and Amy Burdette, American sociological review, 2021-04, Vol.86 (2), p.234-255 Quote ........the relationship between structural sexism and health. This work shows that structural sexism—defined as systematic gender inequality in power and resources—within U.S. state-level institutions and within marriages can shape individuals’ physical health........ ........................ Why then do women tend to live so much longer than men? Or is it only the women in traditional churches who suffer shortened lives? Link to comment
2BizE Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Our religion is inherently sexist. It was based on sexism and continues. The church is in a deep hole at the moment with women feeling dissatisfied with the church and stepping away. The church is trying to bail water out of the sinking boat by changing temple ceremonies, calling sisters to positions similar to the 70s, allowing women to pray in conference (2013), allowing women to act as witnesses, and allowing young women to hand out towels at temple baptisms. Link to comment
JustAnAustralian Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Jesus and all 12 of his original apostles were male. If there is sexism it predates us by about 1800 years. 1 Link to comment
MustardSeed Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, JustAnAustralian said: Jesus and all 12 of his original apostles were male. If there is sexism it predates us by about 1800 years. I'd say before that, as the Old Testament is mostly about men. 3 Link to comment
JustAnAustralian Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: I'd say before that, as the Old Testament is mostly about men. True, but I was focussing on Christianity rather than Abrahamic religions as a whole. 2 Link to comment
OGHoosier Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 2 hours ago, 2BizE said: Our religion is inherently sexist. It was based on sexism and continues. The church is in a deep hole at the moment with women feeling dissatisfied with the church and stepping away. The church is trying to bail water out of the sinking boat by changing temple ceremonies, calling sisters to positions similar to the 70s, allowing women to pray in conference (2013), allowing women to act as witnesses, and allowing young women to hand out towels at temple baptisms. K. 1 Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 3 hours ago, 2BizE said: Our religion is inherently sexist. It was based on sexism and continues. The church is in a deep hole at the moment with women feeling dissatisfied with the church and stepping away. The church is trying to bail water out of the sinking boat by changing temple ceremonies, calling sisters to positions similar to the 70s, allowing women to pray in conference (2013), allowing women to act as witnesses, and allowing young women to hand out towels at temple baptisms. I thought that the LDS faith (and even other Christian faiths) was based on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Are you saying that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is inherently sexist? What of the false claim that women are dissatisfied with the LDS Church and are stepping away? I know of no evidence to support that odd claim. Indeed, men are far more likely to apostatize than women. It it is such a satisfyingly male-gendered church, why isn't it more attractive to men than to women? 2 Link to comment
Popular Post bluebell Posted April 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2021 The first link led me to a paywall, so I couldn't read the actual study. The third link left me with some questions. First, how did they decide which religions were sexist. I saw the parameters they used, but they still seem fairly subjective. Do the researchers do the scoring or do the members of each congregation get to score their own religion? The creators of the study said that "they created a sexism scale, which is a measure of the number of things that women are prohibited from doing in the congregation: teaching co-ed classes, preaching at a main worship service, serving on the governing body, and being the head clergyperson/leader." From my perspective, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints scores well on that. Women teach co-ed classes, preach at the main worship service, and serve on the governing body. The only thing they don't do is "be the head leader." I'm guessing that from someone else's perspective, it wouldn't score as well. Also, what is the "health benefit" the women either get or don't? Did they ever specify that? 5 Link to comment
Chum Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: I thought that the LDS faith (and even other Christian faiths) was based on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Are you saying that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is inherently sexist? This may be an attempt to force a conclusion. If so, it is a method I consider with strong skepticism. I have found integrity in considering each each facet on it's own merits. If I find disharmony between them, it is often because I lack the wisdom of a larger picture that can reconcile everything. 1 Link to comment
Chum Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 32 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Indeed, men are far more likely to apostatize than women. It it is such a satisfyingly male-gendered church, why isn't it more attractive to men than to women? This seems sound. I suspect men are more likely to leave because we like to fix things - and there is a mindset that changes that aren't explicitly mandated are somehow a threat. Link to comment
Chum Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, bluebell said: Also, what is the "health benefit" the women either get or don't? Did they ever specify that? I'm glad it isn't just me. Without knowing what health risks are on the table, this topic leaves me with an unsatisfying vibe. Link to comment
JustAnAustralian Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 33 minutes ago, bluebell said: First, how did they decide which religions were sexist. I saw the parameters they used, but they still seem fairly subjective. Do the researchers do the scoring or do the members of each congregation get to score their own religion? From the article Quote First, we use a dichotomous measure (labeled “board”) indicating whether an “otherwise qualified woman” in the congregation would be permitted to “serve as a full-fledged member of the congregation’s main governing body or coordinating committee” (0 = yes, 1 = no). This measure of women’s representation in governance is particularly important for assessing the relationship between structural sexism and health given the accumulating evidence showing women’s political representation is vital for population health both in the United States and in the developing world (Homan 2017; Quamruzzaman and Lange 2016). Furthermore, although restricting women from governing boards is less common than other forms of religious institutional sexism, it is perhaps the most dangerous for health as it indicates a complete lack of decision-making power for women within the congregation. Second, we use another dichotomous measure (labeled “leader”) indicating whether an “otherwise qualified woman” would be permitted to serve as the head clergyperson or primary religious leader of the congregation (0 = yes, 1 = no). Restricting women from the top rung on the congregational leadership ladder is a potentially powerful form of religious institutional sexism, as head clergy hold a great deal of power within a congregation. Additionally, much of the scholarship on gender inequality within places of worship centers on the gender-based prohibition on clergy positions, or what has been termed “the stained-glass ceiling” (e.g., adams 2007; Bartkowski and Shah 2014). Third, we created a sexism scale, treated as a continuous measure, which is a summary measure indicating how many of the following things women are prohibited from doing in the congregation: teaching co-ed classes, preaching at a main worship service, serving on the governing body, and being the head clergyperson/ leader. Scores range from 0 (indicating no restrictions on women’s roles) to 4 (indicating women are prohibited from all four activities). The four items used in the sexism scale are all moderately correlated (correlation coefficients range from .29 to .69, see Table S3 in the online supplement) and the scale alpha is .71, indicating that the index reflects a valid construct. In addition to this straightforward index approach to creating a sexism scale, we also conducted supplemental analyses using a latent variable approach with structural equation modeling (see Tables S4 and S5 in the online supplement). Results from these supplemental analyses did not meaningfully differ from the main results presented here. We chose the sum index approach using OLS as the main model for simplicity, ease of interpretation, and compatibility with other analyses conducted herein. All three structural sexism measures are coded such that high values indicate greater sexism in congregations. Our first two measures are important because they center on the most salient and perhaps most detrimental forms of religious institutional sexism and allow us to individually evaluate their effects. Our scale measure is useful because it combines these measures with two additional indicators to provide a more comprehensive assessment of the degree to which women are excluded from a variety of meaningful leadership roles within places of worship. Including all three measures allows us to account for women’s power and status in governance, clergy, and across a range of leadership positions. 2 Link to comment
bluebell Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, JustAnAustralian said: From the article So the researchers did the scoring then. Link to comment
JustAnAustralian Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, bluebell said: So the researchers did the scoring then. Researchers rated sexism. Participants rated health. 1 Link to comment
sunstoned Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 5 hours ago, 2BizE said: Our religion is inherently sexist. It was based on sexism and continues. The church is in a deep hole at the moment with women feeling dissatisfied with the church and stepping away. The church is trying to bail water out of the sinking boat by changing temple ceremonies, calling sisters to positions similar to the 70s, allowing women to pray in conference (2013), allowing women to act as witnesses, and allowing young women to hand out towels at temple baptisms. The next logical step is inclusion in the Priesthood. IMO that is the only option if the church wants to survive. Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Chum said: This seems sound. I suspect men are more likely to leave because we like to fix things - and there is a mindset that changes that aren't explicitly mandated are somehow a threat. I can't make head or tail of your comments here, but that just may be cause I'm an ignorant male. Normally, however, women are described as more spiritual and faithful than men. One might suppose that could have something to do with the greater likelihood for men to apostatize. Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, sunstoned said: The next logical step is inclusion in the Priesthood. IMO that is the only option if the church wants to survive. The problem with that notion is that, those churches which have tried that are rapidly losing members and failing. Get woke and go broke. 2 Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Chum said: This may be an attempt to force a conclusion. If so, it is a method I consider with strong skepticism. I have found integrity in considering each each facet on it's own merits. If I find disharmony between them, it is often because I lack the wisdom of a larger picture that can reconcile everything. Sounds more like you are chumming the sharks than engaging in meaningful discourse here. Link to comment
Peacefully Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Yes The problem with that notion is that, those churches which have tried that are rapidly losing members and failing. Get woke and go broke. What does the possibility of women holding the priesthood have to do with being “woke”? 1 Link to comment
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