Jump to content

Recommended Posts

On 3/27/2021 at 12:20 PM, poptart said:

Props to you for educating your kids about alcohol/drugs, older I get more I realize a lot of parents don't, they expect society to do their job. 

While the kids were young, my mom moved in with us, due to her dementia.  She also wanted the kids to never drink alcohol, but as a non member with dementia she had her own philosophy about how to do that.

She gave some of them a little beer!

Beer has a disgusting taste at first, and is an "acquired taste" that she never wanted them to acquire. My son nearly vomited, I am told.

My lifelong LDS sweetheart was mortified, but I kind of chuckled, which got me in BIG trouble! ;)

But the kids are now adults and there are no drinkers among them !

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
11 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

While the kids were young, my mom moved in with us, due to her dementia.  She also wanted the kids to never drink alcohol, but as a non member with dementia she had her own philosophy about how to do that.

She gave some of them a little beer!

Beer has a disgusting taste at first, and is an "acquired taste" that she never wanted them to acquire. My son nearly vomited, I am told.

My lifelong LDS sweetheart was mortified, but I kind of chuckled, which got me in BIG trouble! ;)

But the kids are now adults and there are no drinkers among them !

Thats actually not a bad idea, beer is an acquired taste.  My father drank a lot, it was always around.  That and well, once you're an adult you almost always end up with friends who drink.  What I'd do?  In addition to not having beer and booze in the home id be showing them dui arrest videos, court, wrecks etc.  Also, I'd call up one of my cop buddies and ask if we could visit the station for a little education.  When I was a kid mom took me to the pd for some DARE education, I'll never forget it.  Next, id tell them just how expensive DUIs are and especially nowadays how they can easily ruin a career.   When I would party we'd always have exit plans, more than once when some idiot had to start a fight we'd be out the back door, in an alley and usually at least a few blocks away before cops showed up to arrest people for whatever.   I know how that stuff goes, once cops show up its all about who to shove the blame on, I had the common sense to see that stuff coming and act accordingly.  People are a lot worse, laws are stricter and well, society is what it is.  Unless you're willing to live like I do (no social media, keep a low profile etc.) Sooner or later pics of you doing something stupid will pop up on one of your buddies social media streams.  People blackmail each other a lot more, employers do social media scans as well as background checks.  Alcohol is a drug while legal it still attracts the same problems, people included.  

Glad I'm not growing up in this day and age, this is one reason why bar and night club culture has died, also why people with good jobs keep that stuff on the downlow.  That's also why I have no problems with being a non member in a ward, at least I'd be around a cleaner crowd, in general anyway.

  • Like 1
Link to post

Here's something to show people about the costs of a DUI.

Learn About The Penalties For DUI Charges - OneDUI

How Much Does a First Offense DUI Cost? | DuiDrivingLaws.org

COSTDUI09.pdf (codot.gov)

Considering how competitive things are nowadays I'd show this to anyone who has college age kids or will soon.  I'm going to guess Utah is quite harsh about this, fine by me.

Edited by poptart
Link to post
On 3/20/2021 at 7:39 PM, Robert F. Smith said:

Population: 3,101,800
Median Household Income: $68,731
Job Growth: 3.2%

I know you are aware of this, but just for perspective for folks who are not, that population figure is for the state of Utah.

The population of Los Angeles COUNTY is 10 million.

We have a bit of a squeeze on the housing market, this explains much of why our housing prices are what they are

  • Haha 1
Link to post
2 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

I know you are aware of this, but just for perspective for folks who are not, that population figure is for the state of Utah.

The population of Los Angeles COUNTY is 10 million.

We have a bit of a squeeze on the housing market, this explains much of why our housing prices are what they are

Yes, and we are seeing home-values skyrocketing now in Utah.  An ordinary person can no longer afford a home, and there is the danger that we are seeing a housing bubble which will burst same as the last one.

Link to post
  • 3 weeks later...
On 4/10/2021 at 5:43 PM, Robert F. Smith said:

Yes, and we are seeing home-values skyrocketing now in Utah.  An ordinary person can no longer afford a home, and there is the danger that we are seeing a housing bubble which will burst same as the last one.

How did the last burst play out?  Was this around 2008?

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
4 hours ago, poptart said:

How did the last burst play out?  Was this around 2008?

Yeh.  That was when a house you had bought for $400,000 suddenly became worth $100,000, and you still had that mortgage for $400,000 to pay.  They called it "underwater."

Link to post
12 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Yeh.  That was when a house you had bought for $400,000 suddenly became worth $100,000, and you still had that mortgage for $400,000 to pay.  They called it "underwater."

It'll get like that here eventually, the transplants don't think it will (In general)

  • Like 1
Link to post
  • 2 weeks later...
17 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

I just saw on channel 5 that over the past year housing in Utah has risen over 15%. 

It's a lot higher here in FL.  Along with whiplashing housing costs, rents have doubled over the last year as people fleeing Calif and NY bought up whatever was left.  No one can compete with Calif cash on FL wages. For the first time, there are no rentals in our area. Landlords are selling and those renters have nowhere to go.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Posted (edited)

Sometime, someone ought to get a note to the First Presidency that if provident living doesn't include endless credit card use, people who lived responsibly and paid cash (digital or otherwise) will be unable to rent or get a loan to buy, due to their credit score.

Edited by Chum
Link to post
8 hours ago, Chum said:

It's a lot higher here in FL.  Along with whiplashing housing costs, rents have doubled over the last year as people fleeing Calif and NY bought up whatever was left.  No one can compete with Calif cash on FL wages. For the first time, there are no rentals in our area. Landlords are selling and those renters have nowhere to go.

Is it mostly families and retirees fleeing there?  

Link to post
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, poptart said:

Is it mostly families and retirees fleeing there?  

I don't know if move-ins have kids or not. Past that, I can't imagine anyone retiring from California to Florida.

Edited by Chum
Link to post
40 minutes ago, Chum said:

I don't know if move-ins have kids or not. Past that, I can't imagine anyone retiring from California to Florida.

Reason why I follow this stuff, it's mostly families moving here.  It's competition for scarce resources and coping with a society that's not as secure as it once was.  That and a lot of cities have a ton of single people who do not care for the issues families have.  As a society we haven't really gotten along since the 60s I think, it's just been cleverly hidden and forgotten every decade or so.  With the internet and bad times we have, well here we are.

Going to be interesting to see how all this plays out, as someone who's likely seen a lot of the same stuff I have I predict the privileged people getting nastier and nastier as the underclass keeps outvoting them in places and times get harder.

Link to post
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, poptart said:

As a society we haven't really gotten along since the 60s I think

Sort of. Prior to then, getting along meant one segment was fairly united in serially mistreating other segments - often profoundly.

I was listening to a researcher who studied historical discontent in the US. He wasn't able to find a before time. That jibes with what I've found. ex:The decades of and after Reconstruction were one long recurring nightmare.

Edited by Chum
Link to post
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, poptart said:

Going to be interesting to see how all this plays out, as someone who's likely seen a lot of the same stuff I have I predict the privileged people getting nastier and nastier as the underclass keeps outvoting them in places and times get harder.

I'm not downplaying this, especially as I've done my own fretting over it.  However, I remind myself to remember the 9/11 lesson.

The temptation is to begin history on that day and base terror perception on the events that followed.

The lesson I learned is this. A more accurate and useful perception comes from examining historical terrorism. One takeaway was that the levels of domestic US terrorism dropped dramatically in the 1970s and that we remain at those historic lows.

1970 was a rising terror crapstorm but it also a few years away from decades of sustained domestic peace.

That peace that is difficult to appreciate when we overmagnify a small part of the timeline.

Edited by Chum
Link to post
3 hours ago, Chum said:

I'm not downplaying this, especially as I've done my own fretting over it.  However, I remind myself to remember the 9/11 lesson.

The temptation is to begin history on that day and base terror perception on the events that followed.

The lesson I learned is this. A more accurate and useful perception comes from examining historical terrorism. One takeaway was that the levels of domestic US terrorism dropped dramatically in the 1970s and that we remain at those historic lows.

1970 was a rising terror crapstorm but it also a few years away from decades of sustained domestic peace.

That peace that is difficult to appreciate when we overmagnify a small part of the timeline.

We will see.  An observation i've made when i've heard stories about 1970 and it's stagflation, families and communities were still intact.  Look at millenials, the dysfunction a lot of us had to grow up with sure did a number.  Thing is, with us no one left us anything, not even scraps so big surprise we're acting the way we are.  I have a feeling we'll start seeing crazy soon enough.

 

Link to post
On 5/13/2021 at 5:40 AM, Chum said:

Sometime, someone ought to get a note to the First Presidency that if provident living doesn't include endless credit card use, people who lived responsibly and paid cash (digital or otherwise) will be unable to rent or get a loan to buy, due to their credit score.

I'd be very surprised that they didn't already know this.

Provident living does not mean eschewing the use of all credit. May I suggest you have a look at an article that appeared in the September 2007 Ensign: 

Finances and Your Future: Tips for Young Single Adults

The article advises how to stay out (or get out) of debt enslavement, including the wise use of credit cards, student loans, auto loans, and the complete avoidance of payday loans. As well as wise budgeting. 

Note that I said "the wise use of" not "utter avoidance of." 

 

  • Upvote 2
Link to post
14 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Provident living does not mean eschewing the use of all credit. May I suggest you have a look at an article that appeared in the September 2007 Ensign: 

This is a good retort.

Link to post
On 5/20/2021 at 8:11 PM, pogi said:

The way things are going, we are on track to become the next California :cray:

Sadly, you're probably right. Minus the ocean.

Link to post
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...