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Hoogland brought his side of the story by talking to several Canadian commentators. However, the broadcasts were suppressed by digital platforms and he was threatened with contempt of court of proceedings.

From the way I am reading it from here and elsewhere, he is going to jail for violating a gag order discussing the case, including naming the doctor who did the transition and publically referring to his “daughter” against court order.  This may be more about making his child and the doctor public figures and likely targets of harassment than his use of “daughter”.

If someone can find the court case...though it may be family court I am guessing. 
 

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Rob (previously anonymized as “Clark” or “CD”) is making a desperate attempt to bring his case into the courts of public opinion, even though it breaks a court order demanding his silence about the case

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Despite the gag order, Hoogland continues to reveal the names of those who were collaborating to change his daughter’s sex.

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My friend Rob Hoogland, barring intervention, will be imprisoned *next week* for opposing his daughter's medical transition and refusing to stop naming doctors responsible.

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The Canadian court in British Columbia has placed reporting restrictions on this case, forcing the media to call him “CD”

He is endangering the doctors involved and violating the right to privacy of a minor I am guessing...that was a huge deal when we were in Canada. We weren’t even given class lists as room mothers. 

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4 hours ago, longview said:

Tyranny and socialism go hand in hand.  Social engineering is dictating more and more subversion on the family.  Consider this strange event in Vancouver Canada:  (what does @Duncan think of this?)

https://thepostmillennial.com/rob-hoogland-canada-prisoner-of-conscience

"There is a man in Canada who can only be alluded to as He Who Shall Not Be Named: Robert Hoogland. For the sake of natural justice, it is important to speak this man's name. He is now the Canadian state's prison of conscience.

The warrant was issued by a judge for the arrest of a father after calling his biological female child his "daughter," and referring to her with the pronouns "she" and "her." Hoogland was found to be in contempt of court.

Hoogland is a father to a gender non-conforming biological female 14-year-old who identifies as transgender and prefers the use of male pronouns. Hoogland has repeatedly called this person his daughter, though the court has forbade it.

On Tuesday at 10 am Vancouver time, Hoogland surrendered himself to the court in response to the Attorney General of British Columbia's warrant his arrest for contempt. He was the arrested and jailed. The warrant was issued by Judge Tammen on March 4, 2021.

Hoogland opposes his child's undergoing "gender affirmative" medical procedures, and has stated this opposition again and again, in the hope of saving his child from irreversible harm. The Canadian medical system, the legal system, and the child's mother press ahead with social and medical transition of the child.

On December 14, 2020, Hoogland was compelled by Justice Mazari's court to collude in the gender "transitioning" of his fourteen year old daughter and told not to call his biological female child his daughter. In response, Hoogland made a Charter challenge engaging his right to freedom of speech."

When he appeared in family court, the judge forced him to sit in the prisoners' dock, said Hoogland's lawyer Carey Lind said, even though he was guilty of no crime. The judge referred to him as "the accused." Lind made an application for the judge to recuse himself on the basis that all of this was prejudicial.

Hoogland told his story. The child had complex problems, but the court blamed them all on gender dysphoria. His marriage to the child's mother had broken up. He said that, in grades 5 and 6, his daughter was "getting into trouble and hanging out with boys," so they arranged for her to see the school counsellor. In grade 7, he noticed she cut off her long hair and started wearing a toupé. He said that she developed intense crushes on two male teachers, and made a suicide attempt.

Hoogland discovered that the school had been showing his daughter SOGI 123, the going sexual and gender identity education materials in British Columbia which amounts to transgender ideology "propaganda videos." In the grade 7 yearbook, the child was referred to by a different name. The school counsellor changed the child's name without telling her parents. The school "socially transitioned" the biologically female child on its own initiative, with the input of a gender ideologue psychologist, Dr. Wallace Wong.

When Hoogland accompanied his child to a consultation with Wong, the psychologist advised the pubescent child to take testosterone. Wong referred the child to the endocrinology unit at the local hospital. Meanwhile, Hoogland was looking for mental health solutions to help the child without drugs.

On the child's first visits to the hospital, a treatment plan was put into action. Both the child, and her mother—Hoogland's ex-wife—signed a consent form which explicitly stated that the "treatment" was experimental, meaning that the endocrinologists recommending the treatment didn't know the long-term health impact.

A gender identity activist lawyer, Barbara Findley, represented the child in court. Justice Boden decided that the child's best interests lay in destroying her long-term health to make her body appear more like that of a male.

Hoogland, in contrast, thinks his daughter's best interests lie in preserving his child's health, in case his child ends up among the estimated 85 percent of children who desist in their belief that they are the opposite sex once puberty ends.

He said, "Here I am, sitting there as a parent, watching a perfectly healthy child be destroyed, and there's nothing I can do but sit on the sideline according to Justice Boden at the time. I can only affirm, or get thrown in jail."

Boden's court held that the father's consent was irrelevant. The judge went a step further, declaring that the girl's parents must affirm their child's "gender identity," and refer to the child as though the fact of her being a gender non-conforming biological female who identifies as transgender means that the child is a boy. If he did not, the parents would be implicated of the criminal offense of family violence."

This is a weird case because most of it is still confidential so the only media reports are from Right-Wing media sites with questionable journalistic standards who seem to credulously believe everything dad says.

A few things you left out. The child lives with mom. Dad at one point said they have “shared custody” but that could mean anything from occasional visitation to not losing all parental right to actual shared custody. It is clear he is not as involved as mom and placing the blame on the school seems a little premature. Dad is claiming they are behind it all but are they? Is it the child who sought it out? Is it mom?

There is a lot missing in the story but go ahead and buy into it unequivocally if it fuels your fear and hatred.

What it has to do with socialism is never explained but you tend to lazily lump everything evil into socialism to keep thinking simple so I am unsurprised.

 

 

Probably should have said this in the response to an earlier post but I think you should read some of the current conservative intellectuals on economic thought if you are still backing Friedman. You can, of course, do so but please don’t imagine that is where your party is going. They have largely abandoned Friedman, Locke, Adam Smith, and even Ayn Rand. Enjoy being a man without a faction. I know I don’t.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/north-america/2020/04/new-intellectuals-american-right

An older piece on the weird shift from facts to ideology:

https://theweek.com/articles/911883/selfinflicted-derangement-conservative-intellectuals

And have a takedown of Laffer’s ridiculous theories just because it is fun:

https://newrepublic.com/article/145331/art-laffer-intellectual-rot-republican-party

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If it took a year before he found out, it sounds like he has little personal interaction with his child. 
 

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Rob did not find out about this until a year after it began. He took the school district, staffers, doctors, and others to court....

The courts also placed a gag order on Rob. He could not speak with the press or the public about what his daughter was going through, or even discuss the issue with his daughter. A few months ago, the gag order was modified so he could talk about it with his daughter and even attempt to dissuade her, but he still could not speak to the press about it. On April 15, the gag order expired. Since the courts are closed due to the COVID-19 virus, the order could not be renewed.

Back in February, Rob had had enough and decided to ignore the gag order. He spoke with MassResistance and some other conservative media briefly about his legal fight in the Canadian courts. He was quickly brought back into court and reprimanded by a judge – and threatened with jail time if he broke the order again. 

 

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On 3/18/2021 at 12:49 AM, longview said:

Unrelated question:  is all of Canada using British spelling?  Behaviour or behavior?

 

On 3/18/2021 at 1:33 AM, Duncan said:

Behaviour is British!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😉 like Colour or Centre, I don't know if all Canadians use it but my guess is most do

 

On 3/18/2021 at 2:44 AM, Calm said:

Some Americans do too.  I do the “ou”, but never picked up the re instead of er.  I have to think to use that spelling. A teacher in elementary in Illinois taught me the option iirc, I know I have been using it since then.  Maybe I read a lot of books with it as well.  Got dinged by an 8th grade teacher for misspelling colour and even a dictionary demonstrating it was acceptable didn’t work.

I lived in Toronto 1967-1969, went to high school there, then spent 1969-1971 in England. I don't remember if I wrote "ou" or not, but possibly did -- we had spelling tests in school, after all. Now that I am back in England, probably for the rest of my life, suddenly I find myself having to grit my teeth to prevent myself from writing "ou", because it's starting to take over. And getting called as stake clerk has definitely not helped, because now I'm taking meeting minutes and I feel obligated to write "ou" on those words.

Another thing, is that I'm starting to use British pronunciation inadvertantly here and there. It was bad enough when I was here in 1969-1971 because I found myself unable to pronounce "headmaster" in an American accent, since all I ever heard was the British pronunciation. Even when I returned to US, if ever I had to say that word, I had a difficult time saying it like an American because it sounded totally wrong. So here I am, immersed in it, and now certain words start coming out British. Example: "can't".  I'm still keeping my American R's, but I'm afraid that any moment I'll start dropping my R's. It's maddening. That R is there for a reason, isn't it? Not over here it isn't.

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Soooo, Ammon Bundy claims to have amassed an "army" of 50,000 and that he is "called" to defend the Constitution and is now referencing a dream of his father's?  He's done a recruiting tour invoking the "LDS Perspective" in the process?  This guy is dangerous. 

https://www.rawstory.com/ammon-bundy/

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In 2018, Bundy talked before an audience in South Jordan, UT during an event advertised as a "power packed four hours, with an LDS [Latter-day Saints] perspective, but practical info for all true friends of liberty." He told them about his father's dream, in which people approached a large building. Inside the building sat a golden calf, a biblical reference to a false idol, that Cliven understood to symbolize the American court of law. Ammon explained that the dream meant people are putting their faith in judges who do not have their best interests at hearts. "You can't worship the golden calf, you have to have faith in God," he told the audience. "When you know for certain that those are your own rights, you do not allow them to be questioned. And I know that's a strong thing I'm saying. But when you do that, then your friends need to come and protect you also. And it's a duty of ours to do that." Four months later, PeoplesRights.org was registered, a year and two months before pandemic brought America to a screeching halt. COVID-19 gave him a cause that fit a long ongoing narrative. The pandemic swelled the ranks of People's Rights because of conspiracy theory and righteous anger, but it wasn't invented in response to it.

Is this guy setting himself up as another false prophet under the umbrella of "Mormonism?"  How is this not apostasy?

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3 hours ago, ttribe said:

Soooo, Ammon Bundy claims to have amassed an "army" of 50,000 and that he is "called" to defend the Constitution and is now referencing a dream of his father's?  He's done a recruiting tour invoking the "LDS Perspective" in the process?  This guy is dangerous. 

https://www.rawstory.com/ammon-bundy/

Is this guy setting himself up as another false prophet under the umbrella of "Mormonism?"  How is this not apostasy?

He is trying to avoid a repeat of the golden calf incident? Probably wise.

 

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4 hours ago, ttribe said:

He's done a recruiting tour invoking the "LDS Perspective" in the process

He is apparently doing in person gatherings because social media is blocking stuff. 
 

https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/post/idaho-far-right-leader-ammon-bundy-goes-tour-after-online-crackdown#stream/0

He is also violating the restraining order the Idaho Capitol took out on him:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ammon-bundy-violates-ban-by-delivering-signs-to-idaho-capitol-protest

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Former militia ringleader Ammon Bundy is banned from the Idaho Capitol for a year after he and his followers forced their way into the state House of Representatives in August. But that didn’t stop him from showing up Monday to deliver signs to anti-mask protesters gathered for the opening of the legislative session, the Idaho Statesman reported. Bundy was caught on video but didn’t draw the attention of law enforcement.

 

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On 3/31/2021 at 6:43 PM, ttribe said:

Soooo, Ammon Bundy claims to have amassed an "army" of 50,000 and that he is "called" to defend the Constitution and is now referencing a dream of his father's?  He's done a recruiting tour invoking the "LDS Perspective" in the process?  This guy is dangerous. 

https://www.rawstory.com/ammon-bundy/

Is this guy setting himself up as another false prophet under the umbrella of "Mormonism?"  How is this not apostasy?

How not indeed?

The Constitution is not now "hanging by a thread", so I'd guess he's jumped the gun a bit. Pun intended.

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