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Should Elder Uchtdorf step down?


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12 minutes ago, CA Steve said:

Maybe Rongo's dad made an account?

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If he did it was over 5 years ago:

Joined “August 27, 2015”

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2 hours ago, Ahab said:

I think the fact that Elder Uchtdorf was an airline pilot who tells good stories using flying an airplane as an analogy for living the gospel makes up for the fact that he may have given some of his own money to support Democratic candidates in politics.

In fact, the more good stories he tells about flying an airplane the more money he should be able to give to support Democratic candidates.  At least as long as the Democratic candidates are in favor of gospel principles which he supports.

As much I love his aviation analogies and stories, I find it unfortunate that his propensity for talking about airplanes overshadows his profound teachings and important gospel topics.  He should be known for his talks on grace, gratitude, love, personal introspection, etc.

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4 minutes ago, Rivers said:

As much I love his aviation analogies and stories, I find it unfortunate that his propensity for talking about airplanes overshadows his profound teachings and important gospel topics.  He should be known for his talks on grace, gratitude, love, personal introspection, etc.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, those are usually the topics but I love how he weaves things about airplanes into his talks on those gospel topics.  Much like how President Monson used secular books to talk about gospel topics.

Most others use stories from their own lives to talk about gospel topics, too, but I suppose President Uchtdorf's stories about airplanes stand out more to me for some reason.  Maybe because I was in the Air Force when I was younger and still like airplanes.

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1 hour ago, theplains said:

Why would Joseph's polygamy be an issue for you?  Wasn't it a revelation from God?

Many years ago I went to a certain Pentecostal church.  The lead pastor made a public
confession that he was stepping down because he was involved in an extra-marital affair.
I was shocked for a week or two, but it did nothing to hurt my testimony about Jesus Christ.

Did I say I lost my belief in God? Nope, nadda!

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41 minutes ago, ttribe said:

Are you serious, or just trolling?

He needs to troll on out of here.

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1 minute ago, Ahab said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, those are usually the topics but I love how he weaves things about airplanes into his talks on those gospel topics.  Much like how President Monson used secular books to talk about gospel topics.

Most others use stories from their own lives to talk about gospel topics, too, but I suppose President Uchtdorf's stories about airplanes stand out more to me for some reason.  Maybe because I was in the Air Force when I was younger and still like airplanes.

As one who works in healthcare, I appreciate the way President Nelson often talks about the human body.

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21 minutes ago, Calm said:

If he did it was over 5 years ago:

Joined “August 27, 2015”

Isn't that about the same time a certain demagogue was ruining the GOP platform?

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2 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

 

I am curious - based on your reaction did you disagree with Durangout concerning Elder Uchtdorf or concerning the Democratic platform?
 

 

You're not asking me, but 100% disagree.

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5 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Based on my years of posting, and our frequent interactions, do you really not know what I meant by "wow"?

I disagree with Durangout's statements and his implications, both concerning Elder Uchtdorf and Democrats (though I am not one).

Yes, I figured that.
I disagreed with almost all of his post too.  But his description of the Democratic platform wasn't far off.
Reconciling that with the gospel would be as difficult for me as reconciling the current far right shift of the Republican party.  I find neither moral code particularly compatible with the gospel.
I'm not sure how we can support either and claim to follow the gospel.

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5 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

Reconciling [the Democratic platform] with the gospel would be as difficult for me as reconciling the current far right shift of the Republican party.  I find neither moral code particularly compatible with the gospel.
I'm not sure how we can support either and claim to follow the gospel.

*cough* vote libertarian *cough* 🗽

 

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5 minutes ago, Amulek said:

*cough* vote libertarian *cough* 🗽

Any closer to keeping God's laws and principles?  Probably on agency, but that's only one.

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4 hours ago, Raingirl said:

Your rant is not based on facts. Elder Uchtdorf did not make the donation. A member of his family did. 
 

Even if it had been him, it’s nothing to get your knickers in a twist over. 

Sure it is...if your REAL religion is U.S.-focused political conservatism, the definition of which is about as solid and unified as ice cream spilled on the sidewalk on a hot day in August in Phoenix.

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54 minutes ago, ttribe said:

Sure it is...if your REAL religion is U.S.-focused political conservatism, the definition of which is about as solid and unified as ice cream spilled on the sidewalk on a hot day in August in Phoenix.

Now that I have spent several summers on sidewalks in Phoenix I have to think that's quite a strong statement! ☀️

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3 hours ago, Bob Crockett said:

As I understand it, the Republican platform no longer exists, and has been replaced with a statement that the GOP supports Trump.   I could be wrong; that is what Wiki reports.

 

They basically just stapled a page on the front of the 2016 platform and called it a day.

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs/Resolution_Platform_2020.pdf

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8 hours ago, Durangout said:

Q:  What did he actually do?  
 

A:  He donated to powers that promote the gay agenda, abortion, corrupt elections, violence, transgenderism, pornography, the curtailment of individual rights, socialism, the disintegration of the family, abdication of personal responsibility, corruption of gender roles...EVERYTHING that is anti God’s plan of salvation.

Put that way it seems pretty clear what should happen.

He was demoted once when he was released from the 1st Presidency.  Make no mistake that wasn’t just a “release”.  However he won’t be released because of this.  The Church seems much too concerned about saving face since Pres Hinckley’s days.

This is question 7 in the temple recommend:

“Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?”

Based on this alone, no Democrat should hold a recommend little alone be in The 12.

 

There is so much wrong with what you have just said.  I hope you were being sarcastic. 

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10 hours ago, Durangout said:

Q:  What did he actually do?  
 

A:  He donated to powers that promote the gay agenda, abortion, corrupt elections, violence, transgenderism, pornography, the curtailment of individual rights, socialism, the disintegration of the family, abdication of personal responsibility, corruption of gender roles...EVERYTHING that is anti God’s plan of salvation.

Put that way it seems pretty clear what should happen.

He was demoted once when he was released from the 1st Presidency.  Make no mistake that wasn’t just a “release”.  However he won’t be released because of this.  The Church seems much too concerned about saving face since Pres Hinckley’s days.

This is question 7 in the temple recommend:

“Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?”

Based on this alone, no Democrat should hold a recommend little alone be in The 12.

 

Did you wander into the wrong forum? I think you meant to go to some kind of forum purporting to be about freedom, perhaps one that has an anachronistic acronym referring to the church in front of the freedom?

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11 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

loosing =/= losing. 

Curses!

I guess when it comes to spelling you could say that I sometimes play fast and lose. ;) 

 

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16 hours ago, bluebell said:

Based on my years of posting, and our frequent interactions, do you really not know what I meant by "wow"?

I disagree with Durangout's statements and his implications, both concerning Elder Uchtdorf and Democrats (though I am not one).

Somebody please help me understand how an active member of the church can justify supporting abortion and gay marriage?  

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