Popular Post Bob Crockett Posted March 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Kevin Christensen said: For the record, I am a Democrat, and my wife and I as a couple donated to Biden's campaign. Oh yes, and I have a Temple recommend. I just happen to see the Democratic platform overall as far more concerned for the poor than say, that of a party that didn't compose any other platform than to support one individual who strikes me as not a particularly good role model for Christian values, such as committment and fidelity in marriage, nor an able leader in dealing with something like, say, a global pandemic, or Russian influence operations targeting the US democratic elections, environmental concerns, the gap between the rich and the poor, the rise of hate crimes, or for that matter, voting rights for minorities. FWIW, Kevin Christensen Canonsburg, PA As I understand it, the Republican platform no longer exists, and has been replaced with a statement that the GOP supports Trump. I could be wrong; that is what Wiki reports. Edited March 18, 2021 by Bob Crockett 5 Link to comment
ttribe Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, CA Steve said: Maybe Rongo's dad made an account? 😝 Link to comment
Calm Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, CA Steve said: Maybe Rongo's dad made an account? 😝 If he did it was over 5 years ago: Joined “August 27, 2015” Link to comment
Rivers Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Ahab said: I think the fact that Elder Uchtdorf was an airline pilot who tells good stories using flying an airplane as an analogy for living the gospel makes up for the fact that he may have given some of his own money to support Democratic candidates in politics. In fact, the more good stories he tells about flying an airplane the more money he should be able to give to support Democratic candidates. At least as long as the Democratic candidates are in favor of gospel principles which he supports. As much I love his aviation analogies and stories, I find it unfortunate that his propensity for talking about airplanes overshadows his profound teachings and important gospel topics. He should be known for his talks on grace, gratitude, love, personal introspection, etc. Link to comment
Ahab Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rivers said: As much I love his aviation analogies and stories, I find it unfortunate that his propensity for talking about airplanes overshadows his profound teachings and important gospel topics. He should be known for his talks on grace, gratitude, love, personal introspection, etc. Yeah, yeah, yeah, those are usually the topics but I love how he weaves things about airplanes into his talks on those gospel topics. Much like how President Monson used secular books to talk about gospel topics. Most others use stories from their own lives to talk about gospel topics, too, but I suppose President Uchtdorf's stories about airplanes stand out more to me for some reason. Maybe because I was in the Air Force when I was younger and still like airplanes. 2 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, theplains said: Why would Joseph's polygamy be an issue for you? Wasn't it a revelation from God? Many years ago I went to a certain Pentecostal church. The lead pastor made a public confession that he was stepping down because he was involved in an extra-marital affair. I was shocked for a week or two, but it did nothing to hurt my testimony about Jesus Christ. Did I say I lost my belief in God? Nope, nadda! Edited March 18, 2021 by Tacenda Link to comment
Tacenda Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, ttribe said: Are you serious, or just trolling? He needs to troll on out of here. Link to comment
Rivers Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Ahab said: Yeah, yeah, yeah, those are usually the topics but I love how he weaves things about airplanes into his talks on those gospel topics. Much like how President Monson used secular books to talk about gospel topics. Most others use stories from their own lives to talk about gospel topics, too, but I suppose President Uchtdorf's stories about airplanes stand out more to me for some reason. Maybe because I was in the Air Force when I was younger and still like airplanes. As one who works in healthcare, I appreciate the way President Nelson often talks about the human body. 1 Link to comment
Popular Post bluebell Posted March 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 hours ago, JLHPROF said: I am curious - based on your reaction did you disagree with Durangout concerning Elder Uchtdorf or concerning the Democratic platform? Based on my years of posting, and our frequent interactions, do you really not know what I meant by "wow"? I disagree with Durangout's statements and his implications, both concerning Elder Uchtdorf and Democrats (though I am not one). 5 Link to comment
CA Steve Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 21 minutes ago, Calm said: If he did it was over 5 years ago: Joined “August 27, 2015” Isn't that about the same time a certain demagogue was ruining the GOP platform? Link to comment
Tacenda Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 hours ago, JLHPROF said: I am curious - based on your reaction did you disagree with Durangout concerning Elder Uchtdorf or concerning the Democratic platform? You're not asking me, but 100% disagree. Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, bluebell said: Based on my years of posting, and our frequent interactions, do you really not know what I meant by "wow"? I disagree with Durangout's statements and his implications, both concerning Elder Uchtdorf and Democrats (though I am not one). Yes, I figured that. I disagreed with almost all of his post too. But his description of the Democratic platform wasn't far off. Reconciling that with the gospel would be as difficult for me as reconciling the current far right shift of the Republican party. I find neither moral code particularly compatible with the gospel. I'm not sure how we can support either and claim to follow the gospel. 1 Link to comment
Amulek Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Reconciling [the Democratic platform] with the gospel would be as difficult for me as reconciling the current far right shift of the Republican party. I find neither moral code particularly compatible with the gospel. I'm not sure how we can support either and claim to follow the gospel. *cough* vote libertarian *cough* 🗽 Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Amulek said: *cough* vote libertarian *cough* 🗽 Any closer to keeping God's laws and principles? Probably on agency, but that's only one. Link to comment
Popular Post bluebell Posted March 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2021 31 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: I'm not sure how we can support either and claim to follow the gospel. Secular political ideologies will always fall short when compared to the gospel of Christ. Trying to make a political ideology = our religious theology (as Durangout is doing) doesn't work. You can't turn something secular into something from God, and you make everything worse for everyone when you try. The political parties that we have right now belong to the temporal world--they belong to Caesar, so to speak--and we need to remember that and use the good they offer (and they both offer good, and they both support evil) to be wise as serpents but also harmless as doves. I think that good can be done through support of either party, as long as we don't get confused about what it is we are supporting (and what it's not). 8 Link to comment
ttribe Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Raingirl said: Your rant is not based on facts. Elder Uchtdorf did not make the donation. A member of his family did. Even if it had been him, it’s nothing to get your knickers in a twist over. Sure it is...if your REAL religion is U.S.-focused political conservatism, the definition of which is about as solid and unified as ice cream spilled on the sidewalk on a hot day in August in Phoenix. 1 Link to comment
Rain Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 54 minutes ago, ttribe said: Sure it is...if your REAL religion is U.S.-focused political conservatism, the definition of which is about as solid and unified as ice cream spilled on the sidewalk on a hot day in August in Phoenix. Now that I have spent several summers on sidewalks in Phoenix I have to think that's quite a strong statement! ☀️ 1 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Bob Crockett said: As I understand it, the Republican platform no longer exists, and has been replaced with a statement that the GOP supports Trump. I could be wrong; that is what Wiki reports. They basically just stapled a page on the front of the 2016 platform and called it a day. https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs/Resolution_Platform_2020.pdf 1 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Amulek said: ... invapable of participating in this discussion without loosing it? loosing =/= losing. 2 Link to comment
Popular Post BlueDreams Posted March 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Durangout said: Q: What did he actually do? A: He donated to powers that promote the gay agenda, abortion, corrupt elections, violence, transgenderism, pornography, the curtailment of individual rights, socialism, the disintegration of the family, abdication of personal responsibility, corruption of gender roles...EVERYTHING that is anti God’s plan of salvation. Put that way it seems pretty clear what should happen. He was demoted once when he was released from the 1st Presidency. Make no mistake that wasn’t just a “release”. However he won’t be released because of this. The Church seems much too concerned about saving face since Pres Hinckley’s days. This is question 7 in the temple recommend: “Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” Based on this alone, no Democrat should hold a recommend little alone be in The 12. I once took a political party test for fun. It said I was (in terms of overlap/agreement) 95% Democrat 92% environmentalist and 92% socialist. I also worked in the temple for 7-8 years. Loved every minute of it and when the temples are fully open I can’t wait to go back again as a patron. One day I hope to be a worker again. I loved the peace and the time to read and ponder and pray. It was my spiritual home in college and after. 2nd only to nature it was the place I found God most as a single person. I’ve known God there, felt the presence of my savior and angels. I just want you to know if I were there still as a worker I would welcome you as a child of God and stand beside you and work with you to do the work of our Heavenly Parents. I would feel no hesitation to be apart of prayer with you. And at no point would I wonder how you voted and what your political alignment is. Because earthly politics do not belong in the Lord’s house. if you cannot do the same or can’t understand how the first part of this post and the second could really be the same person, that may say more about you than it ever will me (or people like me) when I answer “no” to that temple recommend question. with luv, BD Edited March 19, 2021 by BlueDreams 10 Link to comment
sunstoned Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 8 hours ago, Durangout said: Q: What did he actually do? A: He donated to powers that promote the gay agenda, abortion, corrupt elections, violence, transgenderism, pornography, the curtailment of individual rights, socialism, the disintegration of the family, abdication of personal responsibility, corruption of gender roles...EVERYTHING that is anti God’s plan of salvation. Put that way it seems pretty clear what should happen. He was demoted once when he was released from the 1st Presidency. Make no mistake that wasn’t just a “release”. However he won’t be released because of this. The Church seems much too concerned about saving face since Pres Hinckley’s days. This is question 7 in the temple recommend: “Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” Based on this alone, no Democrat should hold a recommend little alone be in The 12. There is so much wrong with what you have just said. I hope you were being sarcastic. 4 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Durangout said: Q: What did he actually do? A: He donated to powers that promote the gay agenda, abortion, corrupt elections, violence, transgenderism, pornography, the curtailment of individual rights, socialism, the disintegration of the family, abdication of personal responsibility, corruption of gender roles...EVERYTHING that is anti God’s plan of salvation. Put that way it seems pretty clear what should happen. He was demoted once when he was released from the 1st Presidency. Make no mistake that wasn’t just a “release”. However he won’t be released because of this. The Church seems much too concerned about saving face since Pres Hinckley’s days. This is question 7 in the temple recommend: “Do you support or promote any teachings, practices, or doctrine contrary to those of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?” Based on this alone, no Democrat should hold a recommend little alone be in The 12. Did you wander into the wrong forum? I think you meant to go to some kind of forum purporting to be about freedom, perhaps one that has an anachronistic acronym referring to the church in front of the freedom? 2 Link to comment
Amulek Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 11 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: loosing =/= losing. Curses! I guess when it comes to spelling you could say that I sometimes play fast and lose. 1 Link to comment
Durangout Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 17 hours ago, ttribe said: Are you serious, or just trolling? Completely serious. Was there anything non-factual with what I said? Link to comment
Durangout Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 16 hours ago, bluebell said: Based on my years of posting, and our frequent interactions, do you really not know what I meant by "wow"? I disagree with Durangout's statements and his implications, both concerning Elder Uchtdorf and Democrats (though I am not one). Somebody please help me understand how an active member of the church can justify supporting abortion and gay marriage? Link to comment
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