webbles Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 The church released an update on the Salt Lake temple renovations. Bullet points from the update are: Quote Two more instruction rooms, additional sealing ordinance rooms, and a second baptistry are being added to allow for greater capacity and more temple ordinances. Previously, the member experience in this temple included a progressive room-to-room presentation by live actors. When the temple reopens, this will transition to single-room presentations by film, available in more than 80 languages (previously presented only in English). This decision will also make it possible to hold more sessions each day. And finally, we hope it will help more members feel confident to serve as ordinance workers without the requirement for lengthy memorization. The area that previously housed the temple cafeteria will now accommodate additional temple facilities to support the increased capacity of the temple. There will not be a cafeteria included when the temple reopens. 2 Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) No more live actor sessions or room progression with murals. Only movie version left. 😔 Edited March 12, 2021 by JLHPROF 3 Link to comment
cinepro Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Wow. Perhaps it was inevitable, but I can't help but think that these changes to Church traditions (Boy Scouts, pageants, pioneer Temples) will have unforeseen impacts to the Church culture. Link to comment
Tacenda Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: No more live actor sessions or room progression with murals. Only movie version left. 😔 Glad I went in the last few years. I can say it really happened. I remember riding in the elevator to the parking lot with Adam & Eve. Link to comment
kllindley Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: No more live actor sessions or room progression with murals. Only movie version left. 😔 Idaho Falls still does room progression even after our recent renovation. But it is not live presentation. I agree that it is sad. I wish I had known that. I would have made it down to attend a live presentation one last time before it closed. Link to comment
webbles Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: No more live actor sessions or room progression with murals. Only movie version left. 😔 Manti is also loosing live actor and room progression as well, per the article. I think those were the last two temples with live actor. 2 Link to comment
Maestrophil Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 It makes me sad to think they would get rid of the old murals. I would vote to keep them for historicity. 😞 2 Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, kllindley said: Idaho Falls still does room progression even after our recent renovation. But it is not live presentation. I agree that it is sad. I wish I had known that. I would have made it down to attend a live presentation one last time before it closed. There's still time to go to Manti I think... Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Maestrophil said: It makes me sad to think they would get rid of the old murals. I would vote to keep them for historicity. 😞 They may not leave the murals in the Temple, but I thought I remember reading that they will be preserved. Link to comment
webbles Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 59 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: They may not leave the murals in the Temple, but I thought I remember reading that they will be preserved. Per the FAQ at the end of the article: Quote Why couldn’t the murals be preserved? As the First Presidency said in their statement: “The addition of new instruction rooms, a new method of presentation, seismic strengthening, and changes to meet accessibility requirements meant that the murals in the temple would need to be moved and/or repainted. It was impossible to know whether the murals could be preserved during such a move. They were originally painted directly on lath and plaster walls, which had been repaired and repainted many times because of water damage and other deterioration. Further, the change to a film presentation meant that the rooms would be reconfigured. For all these reasons, the murals were carefully photographed and documented before removal, and some of the original portions are being preserved in the Church’s archives.” 3 Link to comment
webbles Posted March 12, 2021 Author Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, JLHPROF said: There's still time to go to Manti I think... Manti is in phase 2 and is only open for living ordinances (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/details/manti-utah-temple?lang=eng). If it moves to phase 3 before its renovation, then only those within the temple district can schedule an appointment for an endowment. I doubt it will make it to phase 4 (which is open to all) before its renovation. 1 Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 4 hours ago, JLHPROF said: No more live actor sessions or room progression with murals. Only movie version left. 😔 😥 1 Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Maestrophil said: It makes me sad to think they would get rid of the old murals. I would vote to keep them for historicity. 😞 Did it say that? Putting in a screen doesn't mean the murals have to go, does it? Link to comment
JustAnAustralian Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) I would have liked to have seen a live performance endowment just for the experience, but I'm not sure if I'd get anything more out of it than just watching the video. Edited March 12, 2021 by JustAnAustralian 4 Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said: They may not leave the murals in the Temple, but I thought I remember reading that they will be preserved. LA was originally live with progression, then went to movie in three rooms (3 sessions at once) then movie with progression (2 sessions staggered)- this is how it was til 2020- BUT the murals were always there unchanged. No reason to eliminate them! 1 Link to comment
mfbukowski Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, JustAnAustralian said: I would have liked to have seen a live performance endowment just for the experience, but I'm not sure if I'd get anything more out of it than just watching the video. Not really, but it is interesting to see Adam and Eve as octogenarians! And one room had 2 levels so the actors actually "went down" and "returned" on visible stairways so they had to be spry enough to be able to physically climb and come down a couple of flights of stairs. AND memorize the whole presentation Both of those are big challenges for older folks. Edited March 12, 2021 by mfbukowski 1 Link to comment
Duncan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Does anyone know if the Manti Temple murals will be taken out? or what? Link to comment
Popular Post Calm Posted March 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, JustAnAustralian said: I would have liked to have seen a live performance endowment just for the experience, but I'm not sure if I'd get anything more out of it than just watching the video. I would be too nervous for the actors forgetting lines to enjoy or benefit, I suspect. It is hard enough sometimes getting through Sacrament Meeting without feeling too much for the organist (my mom used to be the organist and she was both a perfectionist and a worrier in her own unique way of nonworrying...you had to be there to understand). I loved moving room to room up the staircase in Cardston. Favorite temple for that and the design (more woods than golds). Edited March 12, 2021 by Calm 5 Link to comment
JustAnAustralian Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Calm said: I loved moving room to room up the staircase in Cardston. A full multi-room will have to be my next endowment experience goal. All the ones here are just non-celestial room and celestial room, with only minor noticeable height increase between the two. Link to comment
Popular Post Hamba Tuhan Posted March 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, cinepro said: I can't help but think that these changes to Church traditions (Boy Scouts, pageants, pioneer Temples) will have unforeseen impacts to the Church culture. Or, quite possibly, foreseen. As Elder Bednar told us in a leadership meeting here six or seven years ago, the Church can't fulfil its global mission held back by church culture. (And he did say that American Saints would struggle the most with coming changes.) ETA: I just read the complete First Presidency statement, and these lines especially stood out to me: Quote As the Prophet Isaiah foretold, many will come to this house of the Lord from all nations (see Isaiah 2:2–3). Many changes are being made to ensure a familiar, uplifting experience for members who attend that temple ... With each of these temples, there is a desire to ensure that the learning and experience are similar for all who come to the temple from anywhere in the world. The same ordinances, covenants and authority are available in every temple, and will now be presented in the same way, and now in more than 80 languages. Edited March 13, 2021 by Hamba Tuhan 5 Link to comment
Derl Sanderson Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, JustAnAustralian said: I would have liked to have seen a live performance endowment just for the experience, but I'm not sure if I'd get anything more out of it than just watching the video. I would go to Manti and witness all those old, humble farmer/ranchers from the area take the roles in the endowment presentation. They weren't thespians by any standard, but their sincere efforts in both the presentation as well as what it demanded of them in terms of the incredible amount of memorization required always blessed my life with a powerful example of what it means to sacrifice and serve. Glad for that memory. Edited March 13, 2021 by Derl Sanderson claify 3 Link to comment
Rain Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 40 minutes ago, Derl Sanderson said: I would go to Manti and witness all those old, humble farmer/ranchers from the area take the roles in the endowment presentation. They weren't thespians by any standard, but their sincere efforts in both the presentation as well as what it demanded of them in terms of the incredible amount of memorization required always blessed my life with a powerful example of what it means to sacrifice and serve. Glad for that memory. You may have seen my father-in-law. 1 Link to comment
Peacefully Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 I am happy I was able to go through the live presentation endowment at the SLC temple. However, I was an ordinance worker here in Texas and I can’t imagine the extra pressure of “performing” in front of an “audience.” Plus, there was enough to memorize without that. 1 Link to comment
MrShorty Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 4 hours ago, JustAnAustralian said: I would have liked to have seen a live performance endowment just for the experience, but I'm not sure if I'd get anything more out of it than just watching the video. In my experiences with both, I agree that I did not get more out of one presentation or the other, but I did get something different out of each presentation. Between both presentations, I think I got more out of the endowment than I would have got limited to exclusively one or the other. I was still in my first decade when the Logan temple was renovated in the late '70s. I know there were many who did not appreciate the "gutting" of that temple. What is being described here sounds like more of a gutting than a remodel. It's rooted more in sentimentality than eternal truth, but there it is. I can appreciate the emphasis on uniformity and efficiency (more ordinances per day and/or more ordinances per temple worker) as well as the difficulties an exact restoration represents, but I think something sentimental will be lost with this kind of renovation. I should probably have a more eternal perspective -- recognizing that the ordinances have the same efficacy either way and efficiency has eternal value, but the sentimentality is still afraid of losing something. Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Calm said: ... I loved moving room to room up the staircase in Cardston. Favorite temple for that and the design (more woods than golds). That's gorgeous. i was climbing the staircase in Nauvoo when an ever-helpful Sister (bless her heart! ) approached me and asked if the elevator wouldn't be more my speed or more to my liking. I told her, "Thanks, but it's not every day that I get to climb a beautiful spiral staircase in the House of the Lord." Edited March 13, 2021 by Kenngo1969 3 Link to comment
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