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In keeping with the Church's new handbook policy on discussing the temple I'd like to ask how that might change policy on discussing the temple on this board.  https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2021-01-11/general-handbook-temple-updates-endowment-covenants-201095

For example can the major covenants now be named without receiving a board ban?

I'm a believer in keeping the sacred things sacred and not for public consumption, but at the same time the items not to be discussed concerning the temple are clearly stated.

Thoughts?

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3 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

In keeping with the Church's new handbook policy on discussing the temple I'd like to ask how that might change policy on discussing the temple on this board.  https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2021-01-11/general-handbook-temple-updates-endowment-covenants-201095

For example can the major covenants now be named without receiving a board ban?

I'm a believer in keeping the sacred things sacred and not for public consumption, but at the same time the items not to be discussed concerning the temple are clearly stated.

Thoughts?

The Brethren themselves for many decades have been publishing their own very specific comments on LDS temple rites, along with plenty of photos of the various rooms in temples.  Not just in books on the subject, but also in the old Improvement Era, and in the Ensign.  In addition, if one merely recites the chapter headings to Hugh Nibley's The Message of the Joseph Smith Papyri: An Egyptian Endowment, there is very little left to the imagination.  Indeed, if we wish to actually see the basic content, we have only to watch the following non-LDS 1962 Disney film (in which Director John Huston is the narrator and the voice of God), and pretend that we are in an LDS temple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkbeK0kWR4s

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1 minute ago, Robert F. Smith said:

The Brethren themselves for many decades have been publishing their own very specific comments on LDS temple rites, along with plenty of photos of the various rooms in temples.  Not just in books on the subject, but also in the old Improvement Era, and in the Ensign.  I addition, if one merely recites the chapter headings to Hugh Nibley's The Message of the Joseph Smith Papyri: An Egyptian Endowment, there is very little left to the imagination.  Indeed, if we wish to actually see the basic content, we have only to watch the following non-LDS 1962 video (in which Director John Huston is the narrator and the voice of God), and pretend that we are in an LDS temple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkbeK0kWR4s

I agree.  I'm asking what is/should be permitted for discussion on our little board moving forward.  I can think of several temple doctrine subjects that could make good discussion but I also don't want to upset anyone, especially the mods.  It just seems like the Church has eased restrictions a bit.

And I particularly love Nibley's Temple and Cosmos.

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On 1/16/2021 at 8:53 PM, JLHPROF said:

In keeping with the Church's new handbook policy on discussing the temple I'd like to ask how that might change policy on discussing the temple on this board.  https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2021-01-11/general-handbook-temple-updates-endowment-covenants-201095

For example can the major covenants now be named without receiving a board ban?

I'm a believer in keeping the sacred things sacred and not for public consumption, but at the same time the items not to be discussed concerning the temple are clearly stated.

Thoughts?

If you believe in keeping sacred things sacred (I do too), that’s a good reason not to push the limits, as it were, regarding what is freely discussed in a profane* milieu such as this board. 
 

*In using the word “profane,” I am applying its etymological meaning, which is literally “outside the temple.”

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On 1/16/2021 at 9:41 PM, Robert F. Smith said:

The Brethren themselves for many decades have been publishing their own very specific comments on LDS temple rites, along with plenty of photos of the various rooms in temples.  Not just in books on the subject, but also in the old Improvement Era, and in the Ensign.  In addition, if one merely recites the chapter headings to Hugh Nibley's The Message of the Joseph Smith Papyri: An Egyptian Endowment, there is very little left to the imagination.  Indeed, if we wish to actually see the basic content, we have only to watch the following non-LDS 1962 Disney film (in which Director John Huston is the narrator and the voice of God), and pretend that we are in an LDS temple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkbeK0kWR4s

That’s not a Disney film. 

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On 1/16/2021 at 9:46 PM, JLHPROF said:

I agree.  I'm asking what is/should be permitted for discussion on our little board moving forward.  I can think of several temple doctrine subjects that could make good discussion but I also don't want to upset anyone, especially the mods.  It just seems like the Church has eased restrictions a bit.

And I particularly love Nibley's Temple and Cosmos.

I asked the same question in a previous thread and the mods responded that it would be considered on a case by case basis and that they didn’t want to lay down any hard set rules in concern that some would push the boundaries.

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On 1/16/2021 at 9:41 PM, Robert F. Smith said:

The Brethren themselves for many decades have been publishing their own very specific comments on LDS temple rites, along with plenty of photos of the various rooms in temples.  Not just in books on the subject, but also in the old Improvement Era, and in the Ensign.  In addition, if one merely recites the chapter headings to Hugh Nibley's The Message of the Joseph Smith Papyri: An Egyptian Endowment, there is very little left to the imagination.  Indeed, if we wish to actually see the basic content, we have only to watch the following non-LDS 1966 20th Century Fox film (in which Director John Huston is the narrator and the voice of God), and pretend that we are in an LDS temple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkbeK0kWR4s

 

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6 minutes ago, cinepro said:

Good news. You're both right.

Only in the very broad sense of much later corporate acquisition. That’s not what I took Robert to mean (and apparently not what he meant) when he said it was a Disney film. 
 

But Robert has graciously corrected himself, so it’s all good. 

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3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Only in the very broad sense of much later corporate acquisition. That’s not what I took Robert to mean (and apparently not what he meant) when he said it was a Disney film. 
 

But Robert has graciously corrected himself, so it’s all good. 

I'm still trying to figure out where I got the notion that "The Bible" was a Disney film.  Maybe this is a hint:

83f75136a7d95bc20ac301b010e85ede2ad0db82

That doesn't quite explain my mistake, but the film may have been listed as a Disney property the other day on line when I was searching.

Anyhow, it is nice to know that Disney plans some sequels.

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5 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

I'm still trying to figure out where I got the notion that "The Bible" was a Disney film.  Maybe this is a hint:

83f75136a7d95bc20ac301b010e85ede2ad0db82

That doesn't quite explain my mistake, but the film may have been listed as a Disney property the other day on line when I was searching.

Anyhow, it is nice to know that Disney plans some sequels.

Robert, you do know that the Babylon Bee is a satirical site, right?

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9 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Robert, you do know that the Babylon Bee is a satirical site, right?

No, I had no idea.  So the joke is on me for innocently thinking that there actually will be sequels?

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I have always been pretty comfortable discussing things that are already openly available to all on the church website regarding temples. I used these is my own discussions with my children before they received their endowments. Much of what some people consider to be taboo (and that is referenced in the handbook revision) is clearly spelled out on the church website. Examples:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/prophetic-teachings-on-temples?lang=eng

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/sacred-temple-clothing?lang=eng

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/inside-temples?lang=eng

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5 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

No, I had no idea.  So the joke is on me for innocently thinking that there actually will be sequels?

It can happen to the best among us. 

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13 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

No, I had no idea.  So the joke is on me for innocently thinking that there actually will be sequels?

You're really missing out. The Babylon Bee is my favorite satirical site. It's satire from a Christian/Conservative viewpoint, but they poke fun at all the different christian sects (including LDS; you might want to avoid those), as well as the more annoying aspects of Conservatism.

https://babylonbee.com/

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