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1 hour ago, poptart said:

Not sure if this is the place for this but oh well.   My guess is if this passes the house it will likely be DOA in the Senate.  Still, it's a start.  Thoughts?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-historic-vote-federally-decriminalizing-marijuana/story?id=74521976

Sure hope it's not DOA! Medicinal Marijuana is going to change the world of medicine. 

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12 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Sure hope it's not DOA! Medicinal Marijuana is going to change the world of medicine. 

This is why I hang around here, so many of you are reasonable.  Besides freeing up police resources it already does wonders for patients.  Irritates me, the powers that be and a lot of people in this country are ok with shoving meds down peoples throats that have so many horrible side effects yet are A OK with throwing people in jail for something that does the job cheaper and safer. 

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Just now, poptart said:

This is why I hang around here, so many of you are reasonable.  Besides freeing up police resources it already does wonders for patients.  Irritates me, the powers that be and a lot of people in this country are ok with shoving meds down peoples throats that have so many horrible side effects yet are A OK with throwing people in jail for something that does the job cheaper and safer. 

I'm a living testament, I get mine out of Colorado, changed my life. I don't smoke it, but use the tincture.

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9 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I'm a living testament, I get mine out of Colorado, changed my life. I don't smoke it, but use the tincture.

That and edibles are the way to do it.  Those vapes they always praise aren't all created equally, they need oversight.  That's the other reason why I want decriminalization, actually get something safe out there.  Also, tax revenue. 

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1 hour ago, poptart said:

Not sure if this is the place for this but oh well.   My guess is if this passes the house it will likely be DOA in the Senate.  Still, it's a start.  Thoughts?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-historic-vote-federally-decriminalizing-marijuana/story?id=74521976

I will tell you after my daughter gets her first delivery of her medical marijuana and if it is the minor miracle we hope for.

Honestly up in the air about it...pun intended because I hear that the smell of smoking marijuana is pretty nasty as far as clinging to everything (been too long since high school for me to remember the scent...plus I rarely used the bathroom by the sports field anyway) even as far as the neighbors to the point of dropping property values, etc.  As someone very sensitive to smells, if it is that intrusive I am thinking I hope there are limitations on being able to smoke it at least.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-do-i-stop-neighbors-marijuana-smoke-from-drifting-into-my-child-s-bedroom.html

 

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21 minutes ago, Calm said:

I will tell you after my daughter gets her first delivery of her medical marijuana and if it is the minor miracle we hope for.

Honestly up in the air about it...pun intended because I hear that the smell of smoking marijuana is pretty nasty as far as clinging to everything (been too long since high school for me to remember the scent...plus I rarely used the bathroom by the sports field anyway) even as far as the neighbors to the point of dropping property values, etc.  As someone very sensitive to smells, if it is that intrusive I am thinking I hope there are limitations on being able to smoke it at least.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-do-i-stop-neighbors-marijuana-smoke-from-drifting-into-my-child-s-bedroom.html

 

Preaching to the choir I hate the smell too.  I despise drunks but potheads are almost on the same level for me.  Could care less what someone partakes of but geez have some consideration for those around you, it's not that hard. 

Hope things work out for your daughter, that stuff can be a real game changer, has for many so far.

 

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1 hour ago, Calm said:

I will tell you after my daughter gets her first delivery of her medical marijuana and if it is the minor miracle we hope for.

Honestly up in the air about it...pun intended because I hear that the smell of smoking marijuana is pretty nasty as far as clinging to everything (been too long since high school for me to remember the scent...plus I rarely used the bathroom by the sports field anyway) even as far as the neighbors to the point of dropping property values, etc.  As someone very sensitive to smells, if it is that intrusive I am thinking I hope there are limitations on being able to smoke it at least.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-do-i-stop-neighbors-marijuana-smoke-from-drifting-into-my-child-s-bedroom.html

 

I can't stand the smoke smell, hate it. The oil I get is mixed with a mint flavor. If that is what your daughter will take, make sure she holds it under her tongue for 90 to 120 seconds before swallowing. And to shake the bottle so it's mixed well. Or is she taking a pill? I hope it works for her. It may take a few days or so to notice, not sure. I know it is wonderful for inflammation and anxiety and hopefully pain. I believe it helped my hypothyroidism, my numbers have been great. But I also take a supplement for my thyroid, so that may also be helping. I'm just so glad I can drive on the freeways now, most places anyway. Can't wait to see if it helps her! She deserves to be well and live her life and you as well Calm!

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I have no clue what form it will come in.  Probably in the news somewhere, but we have just been assuming it will be the blossoms? Leaves? She plans to do edibles (as in brownies), but maybe it will be like you describe.

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14 hours ago, Calm said:

I have no clue what form it will come in.  Probably in the news somewhere, but we have just been assuming it will be the blossoms? Leaves? She plans to do edibles (as in brownies), but maybe it will be like you describe.

I am scared of ever doing edibles, from what I hear, when you eat edibles, you don't feel it or get high until a couple of hours later and then it's wham! But I know nothing really, and shouldn't really offer much by way of knowledge. The oil I get is 50/50 CBD/THC. I started out with three drops, not dropper fulls (I think some mistakenly do that) under the tongue. I guess it's called a "tincture". But when I do it it is always at night right before sleep. So I don't get high, ever. If I do too many, I'm up to only 5 drops under the tongue, I will have wild dreams, and some paranoia. That's why I could never be a pot person that does it for the high, I'm super paranoid. 

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18 hours ago, poptart said:

This is why I hang around here, so many of you are reasonable.  Besides freeing up police resources it already does wonders for patients.  Irritates me, the powers that be and a lot of people in this country are ok with shoving meds down peoples throats that have so many horrible side effects yet are A OK with throwing people in jail for something that does the job cheaper and safer. 

Not always safer.  Regardless of the legality,  taking marijuana on a regular basis can be very damaging.   Smoked it can cause cancer,  especially throat and mouth cancers and it changes the brain causing paranoia.   I have dealt with a number of clients suffering health issues due to cannabis use and it is addictive.   One client committed armed robbery while under its influence.   I've no problem with it being prescribed by doctors and taken like other legal drugs (many of which are also highly dangerous) but self medication should be avoided and I have yet to be convinced that it's the wonder drug that it can be claimed to be. Like any drug, it's not going to work for everyone.   I'm glad that Tacenda finds it useful and I hope it works for your daughter,  Calm,  I know you have struggles with her health. 

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Well, looks like there is another Utahn who will shortly be getting her card.

Interesting article, apparently volume is much higher than expected and highest in cards in Utah County (though SLC may be using other means)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.deseret.com/platform/amp/utah/2020/9/27/21436512/utahs-new-medical-marijuana-program-more-popular-than-officials-expected

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Smoking medical cannabis is not legal in Utah. It can be purchased in the form of a capsule, tablet, concentrated oil, sublingual, transdermal or topical preparation, a gelatinous cube, or unprocessed flower.

My bet is she will go for the gummies or capsule.  She doesn’t want the highs, so more for the CBD. 

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I am conservative.   And I think that possession and growing of marijuana in amounts that reflect only personal use should be both lawful, and heavily taxed (to pay for treatment programs) and sold in licensed dispensaries.  I do not see this as approving recreational marijuana, but as a move to address the real problems that marijuana causes and allows property owners/businesses to determine for themselves whether or when it is consistent with their values to use or grow it.   (I use age 26 because what I now know of the science says that is the age at which the risk to the young brain no longer exists.   If the science determines a different age, then I'd be for that age.)

I also think that

people who want to sell it outside licensed dispensaries  should be triple taxed on the amount they actually sell/distribute it for, and be required to prove at time of request that the tax has been paid and the stuff is actually sold for the taxed price, to discourage anyone from selling or distributing any outside the legal dispensaries, with the tax proceeds dedicated to job training in legal businesses for those arrested for growing for more than personal use and/or selling/distributing outside of the licensed growing/dispensaries.

property owners should be permitted to refuse to rent or allow anyone to enter onto/into or remain on their property/in their vehicle who smokes marijuana or grows marijuana, or possesses marijuana in any form, provided they provide actual notice (in rental agreements or by signs), unless it has been prescribed by a dr and is in edible form and possessed in a way that does not allow those under 26 to get access to it.

vehicle owners should be permitted to prohibit anyone who uses marijuana in any form to to drive their vehicle, 

it should be an civil offense paid by service hours for first offense, and thereafter increasing fines until the 5th time when it would result in jail (with the person who did it being freed as soon as they complete substance abuse and mental healthy therapy to help them quit doing it for that 5th time, but serving full terms thereafter, IF anyone smokes marijuana in any circumstance that would expose anyone who is under age 26 to first, second or third hand smoke then or in residue thereafter, or allows them to participate in growing it or handling plants.

I've been working on a draft of such legislation.

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36 minutes ago, rpn said:

I've been working on a draft of such legislation.

Excellent. Hope it works. 

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Wow. They told her up 15 days to get the card and it was more like 15 minutes...well, a couple of hours. 

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1 hour ago, rpn said:

I am conservative.   And I think that possession and growing of marijuana in amounts that reflect only personal use should be both lawful, and heavily taxed (to pay for treatment programs) and sold in licensed dispensaries.  I do not see this as approving recreational marijuana, but as a move to address the real problems that marijuana causes and allows property owners/businesses to determine for themselves whether or when it is consistent with their values to use or grow it.   (I use age 26 because what I now know of the science says that is the age at which the risk to the young brain no longer exists.   If the science determines a different age, then I'd be for that age.)

I also think that

people who want to sell it outside licensed dispensaries  should be triple taxed on the amount they actually sell/distribute it for, and be required to prove at time of request that the tax has been paid and the stuff is actually sold for the taxed price, to discourage anyone from selling or distributing any outside the legal dispensaries, with the tax proceeds dedicated to job training in legal businesses for those arrested for growing for more than personal use and/or selling/distributing outside of the licensed growing/dispensaries.

property owners should be permitted to refuse to rent or allow anyone to enter onto/into or remain on their property/in their vehicle who smokes marijuana or grows marijuana, or possesses marijuana in any form, provided they provide actual notice (in rental agreements or by signs), unless it has been prescribed by a dr and is in edible form and possessed in a way that does not allow those under 26 to get access to it.

vehicle owners should be permitted to prohibit anyone who uses marijuana in any form to to drive their vehicle, 

it should be an civil offense paid by service hours for first offense, and thereafter increasing fines until the 5th time when it would result in jail (with the person who did it being freed as soon as they complete substance abuse and mental healthy therapy to help them quit doing it for that 5th time, but serving full terms thereafter, IF anyone smokes marijuana in any circumstance that would expose anyone who is under age 26 to first, second or third hand smoke then or in residue thereafter, or allows them to participate in growing it or handling plants.

I've been working on a draft of such legislation.

This is terrible RPN, just terrible that you would want this. So you're saying I shouldn't drive? Please tell me you aren't in a position to actually do this, please.

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You are misreading it. She is saying there should be a choice by the person who owns the car whether or not they allow it. Same with homeowners and landlords...as long as they give warning they are banning it from their own property, except in the case of medical marijuana in edible form (not smoking or vaping because that stinks and sticks).

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Well, I will report tomorrow night most likely how it works for my daughter. 
 

So much for having to wait 3-5 business days. It was five seconds, lol. 

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2 hours ago, JamesBYoung said:

Such legislation would be a tremendous boon to policing and the criminal justice system as a whole in freeing up resources and restoring individuals' liberties.

It would be a tremendous malus to the owners and operators of private prisons and their lobbyists so it is an uphill battle.

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14 hours ago, Tacenda said:

This is terrible RPN, just terrible that you would want this. So you're saying I shouldn't drive? Please tell me you aren't in a position to actually do this, please.

I appreciate the feedback.   

How would this prevent you from driving your own car?   It wouldn't.   It would prevent you and anyone else from smoking it in a car that young people would be riding or driving in, but the smoke is pretty big problem for young brains so surely you wouldn't choose to do that anyway?  And it would prevent you from using in any way that impaired driving ability (just like alcohol comsumption would), but surely you wouldn't be doing that anyway?  The language is to allow every owner and every business to protect themselves from others (and everyone with control over property and vehicles to the extent that is okay with the property owner) to the extent they choose to (with the exception of some protection for those using it under the supervision of and in compliance with drs orders):  not to allow them to dictate to others generally who choose to use it

I'll review the language that apparently isn't clear enough.

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1 hour ago, rpn said:

I appreciate the feedback.   

How would this prevent you from driving your own car?   It wouldn't.   It would prevent you and anyone else from smoking it in a car that young people would be riding or driving in, but the smoke is pretty big problem for young brains so surely you wouldn't choose to do that anyway?  And it would prevent you from using in any way that impaired driving ability (just like alcohol comsumption would), but surely you wouldn't be doing that anyway?  The language is to allow every owner and every business to protect themselves from others (and everyone with control over property and vehicles to the extent that is okay with the property owner) to the extent they choose to (with the exception of some protection for those using it under the supervision of and in compliance with drs orders):  not to allow them to dictate to others generally who choose to use it

I'll review the language that apparently isn't clear enough.

Like Calm posted, I misunderstood about the driving part. I worry that I'm seriously losing it! And thus partly the reason I'm doing the THC/CBD oils to help prevent Alzheimer's that runs in my family. I'm nearing the age that my mom started showing signs. And I've read in medical papers that it can help prevent, hopefully. :)

As you mentioned in your post, you say you're conservative, nothing wrong with that until it gets in the way of others' freedoms. And at the time there's a chance for people to freely treat themselves with something so safe, proven so, and when someone tries to put a damper on it, it ruffles my feathers I guess. But I understand now, that you are more worried about the smoking of it, and the safety of those in a vehicle who is smoking it etc. 

And I agree that businesses should be able to say if they want it on their property, for sure! And I agree with most of your post, my bad for skimming it and only seeing the driving a vehicle part. It's sort of separated from the rest. But I did read the full post, and for some strange reason read it totally different. 

 

 

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Exciting day today at the local pot shop...I mean cannabis dispensary. It was definitely not all old ladies with their walkers; beside people you would find in any doctor’s office, 2-3 men of that thin, wiry,tanned, but if the worn variety, not hanging out at the beach look that often goes with “homeless” were there waiting their turn, but it didn’t have that hippie vibe in the least.  Neat and minimal, posters describing the mechanisms of the various types and other stuff was the ‘art’, but they were attractive so better than the usual doctors’ charts.  
 

Someday I will go next store to the shop that sells Kratom and CBD oil and has EXTREME as part of its name, lol.  Bet there will be a more hippie vibe there, but will it make me homesick for San Francisco in the late 60s?
 

It was in a quickly converted warehouse. Been there since august. Rather chilly as the floors were cement and walls a nice clinical cream,  but metal iirc (that might be just outside wall). 
 

You walk in the door and it is like a movie theater where you would buy tickets except you give them your state id/driver’s license and medical cannabis card (which you get by filling out an application online and then having your specialist certify it, pay $15, and then print it off once they email it to you. Wise to laminate it).  Then they let you go behind the closed doors to the reception/waiting room. Since we had no experience, we met with a pharmacist specializing in medical cannabis after 15 years as traditional pharmacist.  Not only does she use cannabis herself, she uses it for her restless legs disorder...so we hit it off instantly.  Had about a 20 minute to half an hour consultation during which my daughter told her what it was needed for, other medications, and preferences.  Pharmacist then shared info on all the options and focused on the ones she thought would most likely be helpful. They have a menu sheet with what is currently available, who the grower is, amount of THC and CBD in one dose, and price.  THC has more sedation effect and so is better for sleep, while a more CBD is better for anxiety and pain (I think I have that right).

Our daughter therefore chose to go with the tincture that has less THC for daytime as that allows for not only a very controlled dosing, but acts within 20 minutes, so better for anxiety attacks. However, only last 2-4 hours.  At night she is trying the gelatinous cube (there is a D&D monster with that name, so we can’t stop laughing when we say it), staring with a quarter. This variety lasts 4-8 hours but takes longer to hit, an hour or more. So great for sleep, but you have to plan ahead. 
 

Since she was the only one with a card, she went in the shop section to buy it on her own...cash only, but they have an atm available. We didn’t think of it being cash only until halfway down there and none of us could remember our PIN numbers (using credit is safer), so my husband was planning on dashing out to a bank...but thankfully came in first to see the process.  And it was a good thing he did  

And now for the sweet bit. 
 

After sitting down, the pharmacist tells us that a patient earlier that day had decided they wanted to ‘pay forward’ as they had been so helped by it and they instructed the pharmacist to pass on $200 to another patient. I am assuming they either instructed someone young thinking they would need money more (which she does, one reason we were there to foot three bill) or to help someone new feel more relaxed about the experience.  It certainly worked for us. Not only did that show of compassion for a total stranger drain the anxiety away, if help my daughter feel okay about not just getting the bare minimum, but trying a few things. And it has sort of given us all permission to feel good about her experimenting in the future with everything (except vaping, no smelly stuff) to ensure she finds the combo that helps her the most.  She was able to splurge and get a couple of things to try and it only cost her $3. :)  Between that wonderful surprise and the excellent help from and rapport with the pharmacist, we may not end up saving the 20 minutes more driving there when the new dispensary opens up in Springville in January. 
 

The four things she needs cannabis for—-anxiety, depression, sleep, and pain(likely fibromyalgia)—-tend to be responsive to cannabis according to pharmacist. She hasn’t texted me for 3 hours, so it looks like it is helping with the sleep. Since her sleep is even worse than mine, we are so hoping it works.
 

She took two minimum doses of the daytime this afternoon and evening and said she felt a little loopy with the second (she was giggling a bit and talking more), the same feeling her gabepentin gives her. So hopefully a slightly higher dose will start being significantly effective.  

Tomorrow is going to be interesting. 

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It would be nice if the feds decriminalized cannabis as it would save us a nice bit if we were able to put this on our no tax health care card, especially if I go that route, which it looks like I will.  She had me at ‘it works well for my rls’...though she doesn’t need it every night, so not as severe a case. 
 

Tacenda, you might want to call up the one near you and see if you can have a consult with the pharmacist to see if they have something more effective than what you are using right now.   There is until the end of the month the ability to use a compassionate letter from your doctor instead of applying for a card.  Not sure if there are restrictions on it, if it has to be one of the specialists (you can find the list online on the gov site) or not, but if you can get it done quickly, you can try it for a week or two and then if you find something you like, go back and get enough to last you while applying for a compassionate exception...and my daughter’s psychiatrist says it isn’t too hard to get with anxiety.

It was tons easier to do than I expected. 

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