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1. The Tzohar in Noah's Ark was similar not identical to the shining stones Jehovah lit for the Jaredites.

2. Some scholars of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints suggest the Jaredite journey went from the Tower of Babel, Iran to the coast in Northern China.

Questions:

- If the Tzohar and Jaredite barge stones were similar, was Noah also around China at the time of the rain, perhaps from Mt. Tan or Huangshan?

- I'm not persuaded of the Asiatic route of the Jaredites. You? Is it possible they went in any other direction other than North and other than East? POssibly south through Arabia?

Top 10 most beautiful mountains in China - China.org.cn

The common belief among the LDS community is that the Jaredites crossed Asia and embarked from China.  The Encyclopedia of Mormonism summarizes the most commonly cited Jaredite model, the one formulated by Dr. Hugh W. Nibley.  

The Jaredites carried on the warring ways of the steppes of Asia "upon this north country" (Ether 1, 3- 6). Issuing forth from the well-known dispersion center of the great migrations in western Asia, they accepted all volunteers in a mass migration (Ether 1:41-42). Moving across central Asia they crossed shallow seas in barges (Ether 2:5-6). Such great inland seas were left over from the last ice age (CWHN 5:183-85, 194-96). Reaching the "great sea" (possibly the Pacific), they built ships with covered decks and peaked ends, "after the manner of Noah's ark" (Ether 6:7), closely resembling the prehistoric "magur boats" of Mesopotamia.[ii]

J. M. Sjodahl summarizes the popular version first formulated by Elder George Reynolds:

According to this theory, which Mr. Reynolds characterizes as a supposition, merely, the Jaredites went in a northerly direction from the Valley of Nimrod as far as the Caspian Sea, which they crossed; then, turning eastward, they journeyed along the Central Asia plateau; thence to the Pacific seaboard, most probably on the coast of China. Elder Reynolds does not state this as a proven fact. What is actually revealed is that their journey was a long one; beyond the limits of the inhabited world at that time.[iii]

http://www.nephiproject.com/an_alternative_model_for_the_jar.htm

 

Where did the Brother of Jared Get the Idea of Shining Stones ...

 
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Nov 28, 2016 — “And thus the Lord caused stones to shine in darkness, to give light ... draws a parallel between the Jaredite vessels and Noah's ark: “there ... stones “evoke the Urim and Thummim” as well as the “white stone mentioned in Revelation 2:17. ... Hugh Nibley, An Approach to the Book of Mormon, The Collected ...
 
For the rabbis do not settle for the zohar—the lighter of the ark—as being simply a window: for some of them it was rather a miraculous light-giving stone. ... reports that Noah was able to distinguish day from night by certain precious stones he ... From that it would appear that the Book of Mormon and the Talmud are drawing ...
But who gave the brother of Jared the idea about stones in the first place? ... race the ark seems to have been illuminated by just such shining stones. ... that source was not the Talmud (with which the Book of Mormon account has only a ... Now the oldest traditions of India have a good deal to say about a wonderful stone ...
Of all the miracles reported in the Book of Mormon, perhaps none has met with as ... for the ark of. Noah,1 to which the Jaredite vessels are compared in Ether 6:7. ... pend precious stones or pearls inside the ark to lighten it; in some traditions, it is a ... stone. The idea of pearls providing light is also found in Mandaean lore.
by JA Tvedtnes · ‎1997 · ‎Cited by 2 · ‎Related articles
Nothing in the Book of Mormon has elicited louder whoops and howls of derision than the ... and third chapters of the book of Ether of the ships of the Jaredites and their ... The Bible is not the only ancient record that tells about the ark, nor ... The common name by which this wonderful shining stone was designated was ...
Oct 18, 2010 — When the Lord told the Jaredites he would lead them to a new land (Ether 2:7), ... Talmud, for example, the Ark was illuminated with a miraculous light-giving stone. ... 30 years after Joseph had already translated the Book of Mormon. ... of Jared, not the Lord, who suggested the idea of the shining stones.
After the Lord's finger touched the stones, they provided light for the Jaredites ... term “Urim and Thummim” to refer to the seer stone as well as the interpreters.
 
The New Era proudly announces the winners of the Design-a-Jaredite-Barge Contest. ... Dan Stone, Jr. ... Babylonian gufa, Egyptian barges, and even what Noah's ark might have been like. ... Jerome notes, as described in the scriptures, that there was a door, two luminous stones in each barge for light, and no windows.
Sep 2, 2020 — Why did the Brother of Jared in the Book of Mormon bring 16 clear stones to Christ ... God saves the Jaredites from the chaos and commands them to build ... Old Testament, one Rabbi explained tzohar to be “a precious stone.
Dec 15, 2012 — It is particularly interesting that these sources indicate that an illuminated stone, or stones, were used by Noah to light the ark. This is an ...
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On 11/16/2020 at 7:34 AM, nuclearfuels said:

1. The Tzohar in Noah's Ark was similar not identical to the shining stones Jehovah lit for the Jaredites.

2. Some scholars of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints suggest the Jaredite journey went from the Tower of Babel, Iran to the coast in Northern China.

Questions:

- If the Tzohar and Jaredite barge stones were similar, was Noah also around China at the time of the rain, perhaps from Mt. Tan or Huangshan?

- I'm not persuaded of the Asiatic route of the Jaredites. You? Is it possible they went in any other direction other than North and other than East? POssibly south through Arabia?

Top 10 most beautiful mountains in China - China.org.cn

The common belief among the LDS community is that the Jaredites crossed Asia and embarked from China.  The Encyclopedia of Mormonism summarizes the most commonly cited Jaredite model, the one formulated by Dr. Hugh W. Nibley.  

The Jaredites carried on the warring ways of the steppes of Asia "upon this north country" (Ether 1, 3- 6). Issuing forth from the well-known dispersion center of the great migrations in western Asia, they accepted all volunteers in a mass migration (Ether 1:41-42). Moving across central Asia they crossed shallow seas in barges (Ether 2:5-6). Such great inland seas were left over from the last ice age (CWHN 5:183-85, 194-96). Reaching the "great sea" (possibly the Pacific), they built ships with covered decks and peaked ends, "after the manner of Noah's ark" (Ether 6:7), closely resembling the prehistoric "magur boats" of Mesopotamia.[ii]

J. M. Sjodahl summarizes the popular version first formulated by Elder George Reynolds:

According to this theory, which Mr. Reynolds characterizes as a supposition, merely, the Jaredites went in a northerly direction from the Valley of Nimrod as far as the Caspian Sea, which they crossed; then, turning eastward, they journeyed along the Central Asia plateau; thence to the Pacific seaboard, most probably on the coast of China. Elder Reynolds does not state this as a proven fact. What is actually revealed is that their journey was a long one; beyond the limits of the inhabited world at that time.[iii]

http://www.nephiproject.com/an_alternative_model_for_the_jar.htm

 

Where did the Brother of Jared Get the Idea of Shining Stones ...

 
  1.  
Nov 28, 2016 — “And thus the Lord caused stones to shine in darkness, to give light ... draws a parallel between the Jaredite vessels and Noah's ark: “there ... stones “evoke the Urim and Thummim” as well as the “white stone mentioned in Revelation 2:17. ... Hugh Nibley, An Approach to the Book of Mormon, The Collected ...
 
For the rabbis do not settle for the zohar—the lighter of the ark—as being simply a window: for some of them it was rather a miraculous light-giving stone. ... reports that Noah was able to distinguish day from night by certain precious stones he ... From that it would appear that the Book of Mormon and the Talmud are drawing ...
But who gave the brother of Jared the idea about stones in the first place? ... race the ark seems to have been illuminated by just such shining stones. ... that source was not the Talmud (with which the Book of Mormon account has only a ... Now the oldest traditions of India have a good deal to say about a wonderful stone ...
Of all the miracles reported in the Book of Mormon, perhaps none has met with as ... for the ark of. Noah,1 to which the Jaredite vessels are compared in Ether 6:7. ... pend precious stones or pearls inside the ark to lighten it; in some traditions, it is a ... stone. The idea of pearls providing light is also found in Mandaean lore.
by JA Tvedtnes · ‎1997 · ‎Cited by 2 · ‎Related articles
Nothing in the Book of Mormon has elicited louder whoops and howls of derision than the ... and third chapters of the book of Ether of the ships of the Jaredites and their ... The Bible is not the only ancient record that tells about the ark, nor ... The common name by which this wonderful shining stone was designated was ...
Oct 18, 2010 — When the Lord told the Jaredites he would lead them to a new land (Ether 2:7), ... Talmud, for example, the Ark was illuminated with a miraculous light-giving stone. ... 30 years after Joseph had already translated the Book of Mormon. ... of Jared, not the Lord, who suggested the idea of the shining stones.
After the Lord's finger touched the stones, they provided light for the Jaredites ... term “Urim and Thummim” to refer to the seer stone as well as the interpreters.
 
The New Era proudly announces the winners of the Design-a-Jaredite-Barge Contest. ... Dan Stone, Jr. ... Babylonian gufa, Egyptian barges, and even what Noah's ark might have been like. ... Jerome notes, as described in the scriptures, that there was a door, two luminous stones in each barge for light, and no windows.
Sep 2, 2020 — Why did the Brother of Jared in the Book of Mormon bring 16 clear stones to Christ ... God saves the Jaredites from the chaos and commands them to build ... Old Testament, one Rabbi explained tzohar to be “a precious stone.
Dec 15, 2012 — It is particularly interesting that these sources indicate that an illuminated stone, or stones, were used by Noah to light the ark. This is an ...

Since you are banned, I'm not sure you will ever be able to reply, and from what I can see, I am not sure of all your points, but the Jaredites' first voyage was through the Mediterranean Sea to the Iberian Peninsula where the barges were built for the trip across the Atlantic. The Atlantic tends to have storms for about half the year through the equator where they would be taking off from Iberia, so for this type of voyage, they needed to be very seaworthy. Nibley was just wrong.

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