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27 minutes ago, Fair Dinkum said:

my question:  Is there any evidence of this generational victimization and abuse within the Kimball family?

I haven't come across anything besides speculation Tom Kimball was abused that I remember.  As far as evidence that HCK got it going, I am curious as well.  Is it simply assumed that polygamy leads to this due to the age of some of the wives or something else.

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5 minutes ago, Calm said:

I haven't come across anything besides speculation Tom Kimball was abused that I remember.  As far as evidence that HCK got it going, I am curious as well.  Is it simply assumed that polygamy leads to this due to the age of some of the wives or something else.

It would be a sad legacy were it true.

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5 hours ago, Fair Dinkum said:

I want to ask a sincere question, Admin, if it is not appropriate, you can delete it.

 

I've read Lindsay Hansen Park's FB post regarding Tom Kimball.  In that post there is an assertion that Heber C. Kimball set into motion the multi generational abuse of children AKA pedophilia within the Kimball family and that Tom is just one of both its many victims and abusers within the Kimball family.  As far as I am concerned this is hearsay until there is evidence to support this assertion.  So my question:  Is there any evidence of this generational victimization and abuse within the Kimball family?

That family tree would be pretty diverse by time it got to Tom. It seems more likely it would have been one line and it would only take a grandparent and father for it to be seen as passed down. Plus it is highly unlikely they kept records. My line had a daughter that was put in a girl's home. It was eventually figured out that she had been substituted for dead mom by dad so she was the one that had to be disposed of. This was never in writing but close enough that my grandparents knew. It takes another generation or so of the stories about what a deliquent she was for people to figure out what happened. My one critique of Park is that she uses unsubstantiated random statements in her polygamy stuff. 

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On 10/22/2020 at 9:47 AM, Meadowchik said:

Thank you so much for the person you have been during this horrific time. I hope you have the comfort and support you need, and I wish you the very best!

Thank you so much. I hope others can use this situation as a tool. Victims need to be heard. Abusers need to be held accountable. 

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On 10/20/2020 at 2:57 PM, Tacenda said:

This is a post shared to LHP's FB by Tom's niece. Looks like she says Lindsay held back from saying things that she had given permission to go into much more detail. 

Lindsay, I just wanted to say a few words on your wall rather then just in the comments of your posts regarding victims of Tom Kimball. For those who didn't see, I'm the daughter of Tom's oldest brother and I am one of the victims Lindsay has been advocating for. We will have a statement shortly but today I saw you attacked in another post from someone who wrote an entire article full of misinformation about you and your role in this and it really ticked me off. I have asked YOU for help in being a fair advocate for me. YOU have NOT asked me to be an advocate for you because you got this!! But I want to say to everyone that anything Lindsay has said in her posts about the victims was true and used by permission. In fact, she was so sensitive to our privacy that I had to ask her to go ahead and start naming me because I didn't want to be a secret any more. Lindsay has my entire witness statement, which was 17 pages long. She has the story. She's NOT saying WAY MORE then she's saying. She's saying way less then I've given her permission to say. Now, when you are accused of lying or seeking publicity or "likes", when you are doubted if the story is true, those people need to say Dayna Brown is a liar.

This is Tom Kimball's wife.

Lindsey also has my support and the support of Tom's children to speak for his victims at their discretion.

I met LHP through Tom a few years ago and have spent much time with her since in Kirtland and in SLC.

She's been an amazing friend to me during this incredibly difficult situation.

Also, Dayna is a badass and I'm so proud of her and all of Tom's victims for coming forward.

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3 hours ago, Sister-wife said:

This is Tom Kimball's wife.

Lindsey also has my support and the support of Tom's children to speak for his victims at their discretion.

I met LHP through Tom a few years ago and have spent much time with her since in Kirtland and in SLC.

She's been an amazing friend to me during this incredibly difficult situation.

Also, Dayna is a badass and I'm so proud of her and all of Tom's victims for coming forward.

The more I hear the more it sounds like it is working to be healing generally speaking, some strange blips at times. I hope the article and any other measures you all decide to take bring back ten fold in blessings.

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9 hours ago, Calm said:

The more I hear the more it sounds like it is working to be healing generally speaking, some strange blips at times. I hope the article and any other measures you all decide to take bring back ten fold in blessings.

Ditto! 😊

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On 10/21/2020 at 7:00 AM, Calm said:

Your accusation was she operates from a female toxicity positions that views all predators as men.  Unless you are claiming what I quoted from your post doesn't actually mean that.

This is false as I demonstrated...so now you shift the goal post.

You demonstrated nothing of the sort.  You asserted as if that was conclusive evidence.  It is not.

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58 minutes ago, JamesBYoung said:

You demonstrated nothing of the sort.  You asserted as if that was conclusive evidence.  It is not.

And I should note that Kelly, Lindsay, and Page Kimball Ogden are amazing women, and their comments should be believed.

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1 hour ago, JamesBYoung said:

You demonstrated nothing of the sort.  You asserted as if that was conclusive evidence.  It is not.

I quoted her using “she” in conjunction with “predator” meaning a female predator can exist in her view. 
 

So CFR she believes all predators are men. 

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On 12/27/2020 at 8:59 PM, Calm said:

I quoted her using “she” in conjunction with “predator” meaning a female predator can exist in her view. 
 

So CFR she believes all predators are men. 

You are assuming the noun is exclusive rather than inclusive. To make it more clear I would have typed 's/he.'  Yes, I agree women can be predators also.

 

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On 10/15/2020 at 8:19 PM, Meadowchik said:

The LDS emphasis on modesty being part of a female's responsibility to help men resist sexual temptation.

Sexual temptation is a two-way street.

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3 hours ago, marineland said:

Sexual temptation is a two-way street.

Only if one actually intends to tempt. There are those who are sexually tempted when they view children. Are you suggesting that children are actively involved in tempting them in anyway?  Or that it is something besides temptation if there is no intent?  If the latter, I would disagree. Someone can be tempted to steal a car, an inanimate object unable to form intent to tempt. 

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7 hours ago, JamesBYoung said:

You are assuming the noun is exclusive rather than inclusive. To make it more clear I would have typed 's/he.'  Yes, I agree women can be predators also.

 

That doesn’t really make sense with what you wrote:

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Anne McMullin and a few others seems, in their accusations, do not realize, imo, that they are operating out of a female toxicity that accuses all of these pedophiliac interactions men.

While men do perform the larger and very major number of such behaviors, women as a group are not exempt.

First, there was no “he” in your inaccurate appraisal (bolder) of her “female toxicity” to alter to s/he.  Second, if you meant “men and women” for “men”....you challenge her position by pointing out that women can be predators as well...which would be useless if you believed she was using “men” as generic for “men and women”.

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