Popular Post bsjkki Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 Women's Conference is now recommended for those 11+ instead of 8+. This is a welcome change IMO. I did not enjoy women’s conference as much when they lowered the age to 8. As a woman, I don’t want things to be geared to those in elementary school. I had found it frustrating. https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/event/october-2020-general-conference Prepare for Conference The conference will consist of five sessions for individuals, families, and friends of the Church. A morning session at 10 a.m. and afternoon session at 2 p.m. will be broadcast on both Saturday, October 3, and Sunday, October 4 (mountain daylight time). A women’s session for all women and young women ages 11 and older will be Saturday evening at 6 p.m. 9 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I'm gonna spy to see what they tell you Sisters! 1 Link to comment
InCognitus Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: I'm gonna spy to see what they tell you Sisters! Are you 11 and up? Don't cheat now. 2 Link to comment
JustAnAustralian Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 The age difference between young males and young females has always been in interesting thing to me. Interesting to see that the age for girls was raised rather than lowering the age for boys. Link to comment
Popular Post bluebell Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 I thought it was interesting that they decided to have the women’s session. A few weeks ago the church’s website said it would be another general session for men and women. But I agree bsj, it was weird to have the women’s session include 8-10 year olds. I’m also glad for the change. 5 Link to comment
Popular Post bluebell Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 4 hours ago, JustAnAustralian said: The age difference between young males and young females has always been in interesting thing to me. Interesting to see that the age for girls was raised rather than lowering the age for boys. I think it was hard to have a session that was applicable to 8 year olds and adult women at the same time. Still a stretch for 11 year olds but with the priesthood deacon's quorum precedent it makes some sense. 5 Link to comment
Popular Post truth a la carte Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 A return to the previous ages for Womens' Conference is good. With such a varied audience, I felt that the speakers were placed in a difficult position; some tried to give talks for everyone in attendance (girls and women age 8+), and the resulting messages were sometimes unfocused and didn't really resonate well. Others targeted their messages to the traditional age group (age 12+), which was nice for most of us, but then the younger girls were left out and restless. Also, I'm on the East Coast so we're two hours behind those of you on MST; the meeting started at 8pm. And our stake really pushed "gathering at the stake center" for these meetings. The first year my daughter attended, at age 8, she cried the entire 35-minute drive home in utter exhaustion (we never again joined the stake for this gathering). When I asked around it was clear that my daughter was not the only girl that had such trouble. I was RS President at the time and our presidency strongly suggested to families in our ward that they avoid the stake center gathering if they had young girls, and suggested that they instead gather in small groups in people's homes (with the young girls in pajamas) and bring treats to share. That solved many of the issues, but the main issue (that the meeting didn't really meet the needs of young girls) was still a problem. I'm glad for this update 7 Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 20 minutes ago, truth a la carte said: A return to the previous ages for Womens' Conference is good. With such a varied audience, I felt that the speakers were placed in a difficult position; some tried to give talks for everyone in attendance (girls and women age 8+), and the resulting messages were sometimes unfocused and didn't really resonate well. Others targeted their messages to the traditional age group (age 12+), which was nice for most of us, but then the younger girls were left out and restless. Also, I'm on the East Coast so we're two hours behind those of you on MST; the meeting started at 8pm. And our stake really pushed "gathering at the stake center" for these meetings. The first year my daughter attended, at age 8, she cried the entire 35-minute drive home in utter exhaustion (we never again joined the stake for this gathering). When I asked around it was clear that my daughter was not the only girl that had such trouble. I was RS President at the time and our presidency strongly suggested to families in our ward that they avoid the stake center gathering if they had young girls, and suggested that they instead gather in small groups in people's homes (with the young girls in pajamas) and bring treats to share. That solved many of the issues, but the main issue (that the meeting didn't really meet the needs of young girls) was still a problem. I'm glad for this update Why were the girls upset? Link to comment
Rain Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, truth a la carte said: A return to the previous ages for Womens' Conference is good. With such a varied audience, I felt that the speakers were placed in a difficult position; some tried to give talks for everyone in attendance (girls and women age 8+), and the resulting messages were sometimes unfocused and didn't really resonate well. Others targeted their messages to the traditional age group (age 12+), which was nice for most of us, but then the younger girls were left out and restless. Also, I'm on the East Coast so we're two hours behind those of you on MST; the meeting started at 8pm. And our stake really pushed "gathering at the stake center" for these meetings. The first year my daughter attended, at age 8, she cried the entire 35-minute drive home in utter exhaustion (we never again joined the stake for this gathering). When I asked around it was clear that my daughter was not the only girl that had such trouble. I was RS President at the time and our presidency strongly suggested to families in our ward that they avoid the stake center gathering if they had young girls, and suggested that they instead gather in small groups in people's homes (with the young girls in pajamas) and bring treats to share. That solved many of the issues, but the main issue (that the meeting didn't really meet the needs of young girls) was still a problem. I'm glad for this update I would have watched from home in the first place, but I love that you came up with that alternative for those who would like to meet together! 3 Link to comment
Popular Post truth a la carte Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: Why were the girls upset? I don't believe any of the girls were upset, just young and exhausted. (Though, to be honest, I was quite upset with the situation after the long drive home.) 5 Link to comment
NoahVail Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 10 hours ago, bsjkki said: I did not enjoy women’s conference as much when they lowered the age to 8. As a woman, I don’t want things to be geared to those in elementary school. I had found it frustrating. sidebar: I feel the same way about our hymn-singing time. Yes, I am a child of God but that doesn't translate to I am 6yo & enjoy singing nursery school hymns. I seem to be the only one tho. That's all. Thank you for coming to my TED rant. Link to comment
NoahVail Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, truth a la carte said: I don't believe any of the girls were upset, just young and exhausted. (Though, to be honest, I was quite upset with the situation after the long drive home.) It's a lot to have your evening routine disrupted - a routine that's necessary, in order to be able to complete the bazillion things that callings and life demands of your family. 2 Link to comment
alter idem Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 4 hours ago, bluebell said: I think it was hard to have a session that was applicable to 8 year olds and adult women at the same time. Still a stretch for 11 year olds but with the priesthood deacon's quorum precedent it makes some sense. I think they needed to include 11 year olds and up, because the age for boys to attend Priesthood has always been 12 and up, correct? Now, it also would pertain to boys who've received the priesthood as eleven year olds. And, while women's issues might not be of much interest to 11 year old girls, how would it look to exclude them when 11 year old boys are not excluded from Priesthood session? No doubt someone would complain, so best to not raise it any higher than 11. 2 Link to comment
pogi Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 6 hours ago, bluebell said: I thought it was interesting that they decided to have the women’s session. A few weeks ago the church’s website said it would be another general session for men and women. But I agree bsj, it was weird to have the women’s session include 8-10 year olds. I’m also glad for the change. Yes, this just confuses me. What is the program for this conference? Is it women's session only, or are they reverting to the old system of holding both a priesthood and a relief society session in the same year? Link to comment
bluebell Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, alter idem said: I think they needed to include 11 year olds and up, because the age for boys to attend Priesthood has always been 12 and up, correct? Now, it also would pertain to boys who've received the priesthood as eleven year olds. And, while women's issues might not be of much interest to 11 year old girls, how would it look to exclude them when 11 year old boys are not excluded from Priesthood session? No doubt someone would complain, so best to not raise it any higher than 11. Agreed. 1 Link to comment
bluebell Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, pogi said: Yes, this just confuses me. What is the program for this conference? Is it women's session only, or are they reverting to the old system of holding both a priesthood and a relief society session in the same year? No idea. It sounds like Women's session only. Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 17 hours ago, InCognitus said: Are you 11 and up? Don't cheat now. Are you talking about my chronological age, or the age I act? Link to comment
Freedom Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 23 hours ago, bsjkki said: Women's Conference is now recommended for those 11+ instead of 8+. This is a welcome change IMO. I did not enjoy women’s conference as much when they lowered the age to 8. As a woman, I don’t want things to be geared to those in elementary school. I had found it frustrating. https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/event/october-2020-general-conference Prepare for Conference The conference will consist of five sessions for individuals, families, and friends of the Church. A morning session at 10 a.m. and afternoon session at 2 p.m. will be broadcast on both Saturday, October 3, and Sunday, October 4 (mountain daylight time). A women’s session for all women and young women ages 11 and older will be Saturday evening at 6 p.m. My wife agrees with you. she is all like ' they don't have 8 year old boys at the priesthood session!" 1 Link to comment
Boanerges Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 17 hours ago, alter idem said: I think they needed to include 11 year olds and up, because the age for boys to attend Priesthood has always been 12 and up, correct? Now, it also would pertain to boys who've received the priesthood as eleven year olds. And, while women's issues might not be of much interest to 11 year old girls, how would it look to exclude them when 11 year old boys are not excluded from Priesthood session? No doubt someone would complain, so best to not raise it any higher than 11. Truth be told I have yet to encounter an 11-year-old boy (or a 13-year-old boy) who thought all that much of priesthood session. The boys certainly wouldn't mind if the age were raised. (That said, I'm sure some holier than me individual will come along and dispute my assessment regarding his kid who's holier than mine. 😉) 1 Link to comment
Calm Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 At 11, the argument could be made it was time start training the proto- men by letting them see how their ‘elders’ do it. May not be the right venue though. Link to comment
bluebell Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Boanerges said: Truth be told I have yet to encounter an 11-year-old boy (or a 13-year-old boy) who thought all that much of priesthood session. The boys certainly wouldn't mind if the age were raised. (That said, I'm sure some holier than me individual will come along and dispute my assessment regarding his kid who's holier than mine. 😉) I see this equally in 16 year olds. Even 18 year olds. Heck, there is a contingent of "active" grown men who don't think much of the priesthood session and wouldn't mind if it disappeared. Same with women and their session. 2 Link to comment
Boanerges Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, Calm said: At 11, the argument could be made it was time start training the proto- men by letting them see how their ‘elders’ do it. May not be the right venue though. I live on the east coast, so priesthood was at 8 pm and it's about 15 minutes one way to the church building (back in the day when you had to go there for priesthood session). My boys typically fell asleep about a half hour in. Then again, so did quite few of the old men - at least my boys didn't snore. This was not only my observation as a father, I observed it many years in other families. By the time it was streaming and I could stay home and watch in my jammies my boys were grown. There are probably other (better) ways to demonstrate to boys what manhood means (especially now that priesthood session streams). As a side note, I think they should change the name of the session to mens session (like womens session). Edited October 1, 2020 by Boanerges 2 Link to comment
bluebell Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, Boanerges said: I live on the east coast, so priesthood was at 8 pm and it's about 15 minutes one way to the church building (back in the day when you had to go there for priesthood session). My boys typically fell asleep about a half hour in. Then again, so did quite few of the old men - at least my boys didn't snore. This was not only my observation as a father, I observed it many years in other families. By the time it was streaming and I could stay home and watch in my jammies my boys were grown. There are probably other (better) ways to demonstrate to boys what manhood means (especially now that priesthood session streams). As a side note, I think they should change the name of the session to mens session (like womens session). They probably should change the name since they have made a point of reminding the members that it's not appropriate to refer to the men who hold or exercise the priesthood as 'the priesthood'. And also, non priesthood holders (such as unordained men/boys and nonmembers) are invited. 2 Link to comment
Ahab Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I don't see how it is really going to make much of a difference. It's not as if families with girls younger than age 11 (in Earth years) are going to be asked to leave the room. Whole families will likely still watch the whole thing, just as they did before. If they ever advise that anyone NOT watch a session of conference, then that would be some new kind of news. Until then I'm going to continue watch every session of Conference and recommend that my entire family watch every one with me. Link to comment
Popular Post Calm Posted October 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Ahab said: . It's not as if families with girls younger than age 11 (in Earth years) are going to be asked to leave the room. But they are less likely to be pushed to join, which may lead to those there enjoying it more. 6 Link to comment
Recommended Posts