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9 hours ago, smac97 said:

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/provo-police-looking-to-identify-suspect-in-criminal-mischief-trespassing-at-latter-day-saint-temple

Provo Police looking to identify suspect in criminal mischief/trespassing at Latter-day Saint temple

 
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PROVO, Utah -- Police in Provo are asking for the public's help in identifying a man who may be a suspect of trespassing and causing "criminal mischief" at a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints temple.
PROVO, Utah -- Police in Provo are asking for Provo Police tweeted Monday that they want to speak to the man, pictured above, as part of an investigation into trespassing and criminal mischief at the Provo Temple.

The department is also investigating an incident early Monday morning where the driver of a white SUV fired multiple rounds at the main security booth of the church's Missionary Training Center directly across from the temple.

Provo Police told FOX 13 they are suspicious that the two investigations could be connected, but nothing has officially connected them at this point.

Dad???? Nooooo!

Kidding, my dad is not such an apostate that he would grow facial hair.

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That horse  has been whipped raw, man. 

Wow.  What an ugly, offensive, provocative thing to say.   -Smac

Incidentally the word "angel" is now politically incorrect, and reflects discrimination against dead people. They should now be referred to as "persons experiencing disembodiment".

13 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Dad???? Nooooo!

Kidding, my dad is not such an apostate that he would grow facial hair.

Unless you're a cop or a fireman, a mustache means you're up to no good.

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4 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I have been past that booth many times, and there has ALWAYS been someone inside whenever I have done so. As a visitor, I could not have gotten inside the grounds without someone to electronically open the gate. 

Hopefully the replacement glass will be bulletproof just in case this gives anyone else ideas. 

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4 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Remarkably clear image. 
 

Given how quickly Provo PD nailed suspects in the recent rioting/shooting on Center Street, I wouldn’t be surprised if they had someone in custody within the week. 

Maybe. The protestor suspects were known to other protestors as they had been attending other protests and names of witnesses and videos were left with police to investigate possible hit and run accusations iirc. At this point, there is no reason to assume any witnesses knew him. 

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On 8/3/2020 at 9:03 AM, smac97 said:

Here:

Crazy times.

I'm glad nobody was injured.

Thanks,

-Smac

I hate to say it, but in my experience with criminal acts, it is probably someone who is both angry and disaffected (probably a redundant comment), and it gives me a knot in my stomach, as I worry that is a current or former member. I pray I am very wrong, but when we used to investigate such things, we always had to look first at those most aquatinted  with the victims. Of course the victim here is the institution of the Church, and more importantly it’s emissaries to the rest of the world. I will be praying that I am wrong on all accounts, if the attacks were at night, it gives me hope that whomever did this was not trying to harm anything more that what the MTC represents, and therefore has not “been given over to a reprobate mind”, to coin a scripture. 

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2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Dad???? Nooooo!

Kidding, my dad is not such an apostate that he would grow facial hair.

I just posted something without seeing this, is this whom they believe did the shooting? 

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39 minutes ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

I just posted something without seeing this, is this whom they believe did the shooting? 

No, that is a separate case involving a temple though the text says the police think they might be connected. I am guessing that is more the reporter asking the police and getting a "maybe" instead of the police having a really solid lead on them being connected. I could be wrong though.

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1 hour ago, mfbukowski said:

Incidentally the word "angel" is now politically incorrect, and reflects discrimination against dead people.

They should now be referred to as "persons experiencing disembodiment".

This would actually help. We have needed a separate term to distinguish embodied and disembodied angels. That way we can ask instead of having to stick out our hand and do the 'put her there pal' test.

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4 hours ago, Calm said:

Maybe. The protestor suspects were known to other protestors as they had been attending other protests and names of witnesses and videos were left with police to investigate possible hit and run accusations iirc. At this point, there is no reason to assume any witnesses knew him. 

True. 

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4 hours ago, The Nehor said:

This would actually help. We have needed a separate term to distinguish embodied and disembodied angels. That way we can ask instead of having to stick out our hand and do the 'put her there pal' test.

But then if they are embodied, we should be using masks because who knows what diseases they might be carrying from eons ago...

AND besides that is distinguishing people on their state of being and clearly shows Being-ism.   Man you just have to get with it here, bro !  ;)

We clearly should not be practicing class-ism in distinguishing people who are experiencing embodied death and persons who are experiencing being disembodied.

That is VERY Being-ist.  You should know better!  😲

 

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On 8/3/2020 at 9:03 AM, smac97 said:

Here:

Crazy times.

I'm glad nobody was injured.

Thanks,

-Smac

If I were to attribute this event to recent civil unrest in that general area, I would be: 

a) correct

b) some -ist or -ism

c) banned from this forum (again) for a week or two

d) all of the above

 

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On 8/3/2020 at 9:43 AM, The Nehor said:

I would think someone with that amount of premeditation would go with the local chapel. Probably closer and less likely to get shot back at.

Could be a practice run. Such things often escalate.

 

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13 hours ago, Calm said:

Hopefully the replacement glass will be bulletproof just in case this gives anyone else ideas. 

Should have been from the start.

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5 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

If I were to attribute this event to recent civil unrest in that general area, I would be: 

a) correct

b) some -ist or -ism

c) banned from this forum (again) for a week or two

d) all of the above

 

d) some variety of ---phobe

e) all of the above

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10 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

Could be a practice run. Such things often escalate.

 

I pray even harder that it is not an angry ex-member, or a current disaffected one. Because it is very true, that people who do such things almost, if not always “escalate”. Not to mention whomever did this is aware that guns cannot be carried in any if our meeting places, even for those licensed, or even active or retired police, such as myself. This makes us in every way a “soft target” to such terrorists acts, including the same individual showing up in the daytime to the MTC, which would be horrifying. I know there are not as many at the MTC, as in the past, but still so many who could only run, duck and hide. I pray God’s protection in countless ways, to surround all from such violent acts. 

 

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On 8/4/2020 at 10:45 AM, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

I hate to say it, but in my experience with criminal acts, it is probably someone who is both angry and disaffected (probably a redundant comment), and it gives me a knot in my stomach, as I worry that is a current or former member. I pray I am very wrong, but when we used to investigate such things, we always had to look first at those most aquatinted  with the victims. Of course the victim here is the institution of the Church, and more importantly it’s emissaries to the rest of the world. I will be praying that I am wrong on all accounts, if the attacks were at night, it gives me hope that whomever did this was not trying to harm anything more that what the MTC represents, and therefore has not “been given over to a reprobate mind”, to coin a scripture. 

I seems who ever did this must be very upset to risk detection by firing a weapon in town like that. Not to mention risking hurting/killing someone.  As you stated, this is not good. 

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11 hours ago, sunstoned said:

I seems who ever did this must be very upset to risk detection by firing a weapon in town like that. Not to mention risking hurting/killing someone.  As you stated, this is not good. 

The hard truth is this, if they don’t find this guy, he will strike again, but it will be worse. Those who attack any such places of worship, are not people who operate under any moral code, that would  curb their activities. We went through much of this here in Atlanta in my youth, the worst example was when J.B. Stoner and the klan blew up a Black Church in Birmingham, AL., killing four little girls. This is why we can only pray, he is found and stopped quickly. Because make no mistake, I know as the Police know, he is trying to muster the courage to act, and he is making those plans right now. In fact these “plans” can and are consuming his daily thoughts. In fact, either he or his group, think of little else. When they find him, those around him will have seen a pattern unfolding, but also thought him to be harmless.

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On 8/4/2020 at 8:25 AM, rchorse said:

Unless you're a cop or a fireman, a mustache means you're up to no good.

It's true, if you are not a fireman or a cop, then you are either a drug Lord, a pedophile, or a zoobie.  No bueno.   

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11 hours ago, pogi said:

It's true, if you are not a fireman or a cop, then you are either a drug Lord, a pedophile, or a zoobie.  No bueno.   

or porn star.

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Perhaps this guy was part of the group that I saw picketing the MTC on the west side of the new classroom building last fall.

They were waving signs at the classrooms on that side of  the building.

Perhaps he was mad that the missionaries closed the blinds.

Since the protesters were on a BYU parking lot, I told them to move to a public right of way or I would call the cops.  🙂

Not that I did.

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On 8/5/2020 at 10:43 PM, sunstoned said:

I seems who ever did this must be very upset to risk detection by firing a weapon in town like that. Not to mention risking hurting/killing someone.  As you stated, this is not good. 

I doubt the shooter did a risk/reward analysis. They were almost certainly angry but the attack had little chance of doing any real damage and had a high risk of getting caught. We are not dealing with a budding Sun Tzu here.

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