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On 7/27/2020 at 3:23 PM, Duncan said:

But he wasn't put in a cage was he? and he wasn't a child? Keep in mind though that Quebec has different laws than the rest of Canada in regards to immigration, not totally. One is the French language requirement. 

Nice try. Which President first put kids in cages? What was the reason? Is that still happening? 

The Canadians split up his family. She crossed the border. He was right behind her and was turned away. They have sought a waver, but it will take months-until after the baby is born. It costs $1500 and there is no guarantee it will be granted. If he had tried to force his way across or to circumvent the authorities, he would be in a cage now. Whether the Frenchies or the Anglos did it, Canada split up a family at the border and is keeping a father from his child and bride...they had planned to get married in Montreal. 

Several years ago, we took our two youngest sons on a day trip across from Port Angeles to Victoria on a whim. Coming back we were asked by the American border guards for ID for the boys. We had none, it being a spontaneous trip. They were taken into a separate room and asked if we were really their parents and if we were forcing them to be with us. It was finally cleared up. We could have gotten our knickers in a knot about it, but on reflection the purpose of that bit of inconvenience was to protect the children. I’m glad they did that. 

I’ve crossed the border many times, including probably 20 times with a bus load of orchestra kids. The Canadian border guards have no sense of humor. Our instruction to the kids was always to answer questions yes sir and no sir and be very respectful. I really like Canada but I also love the USA. Neither of them is utopia. 

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My brother is an undercover DEA and was called in this weekend to operate as a fed to battle in Seattle.  Thank goodness he got out of it.  Can you imagine having to take the position of a fed and go to war with civilians?  When you don't even believe in the mission?  

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1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said:

Nice try. Which President first put kids in cages? What was the reason? Is that still happening? 

The Canadianssplit up his family. She crossed the border. He was right behind her and was turned away. They have sought a waver, but it will take months-until after the baby is born. It costs $1500 and there is no guarantee it will be granted. If he had tried to force his way across or to circumvent the authorities, he would be in a cage now. Whether the Frenchies or the Anglos did it, Canada split up a family at the border and is keeping a father from his child and bride...they had planned to get married in Montreal. Own it. 

Several years ago, we took our two youngest sons on a day trip across from Port Angeles to Victoria on a whim. Coming back we were asked by the American border guards for ID for the boys. We had none, it being a spontaneous trip. They were taken into a separate room and asked if we were really their parents and if we were forcing them to be with us. It was finally cleared up. We could have gotten our knickers in a knot about it, but on reflection the purpose of that bit of inconvenience was to protect the children. I’m glad they did that. 

I’ve crossed the border many times, including probably 20 times with a bus load of orchestra kids. The Canadian border guards have no sense of humor. Our instruction to the kids was always to answer questions yes sir and no sir and be very respectful. I really like Canada but I also love the USA. Neither of them is utopia. 

why are you dumping all this on me? I don't have anything to do with Quebec immigration or immigration

good luck with your son and family!

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1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said:

The media is not amplifying what is happening in Portland and Seattle, if by amplify you mean make it seem bigger than it is. On the contrary, the media is underplaying the reality. I will not go into Seattle for any reason. Lots of folks around here want out. 

The media has been underplaying the protests in general. I expect we will see a protesting surge when evictions start piling up with another message added.

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2 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

The media is not amplifying what is happening in Portland and Seattle, if by amplify you mean make it seem bigger than it is. On the contrary, the media is underplaying the reality. I will not go into Seattle for any reason. Lots of folks around here want out. 

No, what I meant is that it feels that the media (mainstream or not), by focusing on Portland and Seattle, is making it feel like this is what is happening everywhere. I don't doubt things are crazy in Portland and Seattle.

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19 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

The media has been underplaying the protests in general. I expect we will see a protesting surge when evictions start piling up with another message added.

In actuality, the media has been hyping the protests and glossing over the terrorist operations.  It truly is heart-rending that the police have been ordered to stand down or soft peddle the situation.  :wacko:

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1 minute ago, longview said:

In actuality, the media has been hyping the protests and glossing over the terrorist operations.

I agree. The police brutality (I am not sure I would call it ‘terrorist operations’ but I will not argue the point) has not gotten enough air time.

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11 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

My brother is an undercover DEA and was called in this weekend to operate as a fed to battle in Seattle.  Thank goodness he got out of it.  Can you imagine having to take the position of a fed and go to war with civilians?  When you don't even believe in the mission?  

He is DEA and does not support legitimate federal laws that protect federal properties and employees? How does that work?

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11 hours ago, Duncan said:

why are you dumping all this on me? I don't have anything to do with Quebec immigration or immigration

good luck with your son and family!

Thank you.

Your response to him being separated from his expecting  girlfriend by Canadian authorities

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But he wasn't put in a cage was he? and he wasn't a child? 

was in my view provocative, dismissive, and condescending. Not what I would usually see from you. You did say Canada welcomes immigrants from the US. Not so in our case.

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4 hours ago, Duncan said:

why are you dumping all this on me? I don't have anything to do with Quebec immigration or immigration

good luck with your son and family!

Don’t play coy. I just found footage of your nation’s plans:

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Probably not ideal. More expensive than building a wall and a wall is still expensive. Maybe you could hide the costs of the wall though by saying the US will pay for it?

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On 7/26/2020 at 8:50 PM, Duncan said:

To say nothing about the brown shirts and vans, haven't we seen this before in history?

Remember such at Cal State Fullerton a life time ago.  The oppo yelled about commies and socialists, too, then.

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11 hours ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

Maybe I am misunderstanding your post, “repeal the Second Amendment”, would outlaw gun ownership, would it not? Is this what you are hoping for? 

Are knives and chainsaws outlawed?  

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On 7/26/2020 at 8:50 PM, Duncan said:

To say nothing about the brown shirts and vans, haven't we seen this before in history?

The people in Portland and Seattle behaving like brown shirts are the Antifa rioters.

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2 hours ago, Bob Crockett said:

Are knives and chainsaws outlawed?  

No, which is why aI asked your meaning. I.was. not seeking to be combative. Our founding Father’s made t a right in the Constitution, for fear that one day the Government would try and outlaw them.  

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14 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

The people in Portland and Seattle behaving like brown shirts are the Antifa rioters.

your country not mine

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12 minutes ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

No, which is why aI asked your meaning. I.was. not seeking to be combative. Our founding Father’s made t a right in the Constitution, for fear that one day the Government would try and outlaw them.  

Do we elevate their decision to the Act of God?  Ask yourself why the arms industry is protected in any number of ways by the Second Amendment.  We can be a free people bearing arms without special protections like this.  

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American civilization has reached the point where tort law can govern corporate responsibility for dangerous products. Yes, we need some dangerous products. But I cannot understand why a handgun maker is exempt from most tort laws while the maker of a plastic fake knife is not.  If Satan exists, he ran rampant with the founding fathers with their slaves, mistresses, Deism and guns. 

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13 hours ago, Duncan said:

they had planned to get married in Montreal. 

That may have  been the sticking point. Would it have been different had they already been married? The law seems to be that direct relatives are allowed in. Few laws are more arbitrary and changeable than border laws. 

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1 hour ago, Bob Crockett said:

Ask yourself why the arms industry is protected in any number of ways by the Second Amendment.  We can be a free people bearing arms without special protections like this.  

I highly question whether we could be a "free people bearing arms without special protections like this."   How are freedom and rights maintained without constitutional protections?  How could you say that the right to bear arms is a right at all?  I highly doubt that the government would maintain your libertarian ideals of a free people bearing arms without protections. 

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On 7/27/2020 at 7:35 AM, USU78 said:

General testiness in Sandy.

Nearly got tboned in a four-way stop by an Oregonian in a Ford who blew through a stop sign at 35-40 mph. Took some fancy avoidance driving to keep from being rolled.

Otherwise, just the usual officiousness and low-key defiance.

What can you expect from people who drive Fords?

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12 hours ago, The Nehor said:
12 hours ago, longview said:

In actuality, the media has been hyping the protests and glossing over the terrorist operations.

I agree. The police brutality (I am not sure I would call it ‘terrorist operations’ but I will not argue the point) has not gotten enough air time.

You call police standing down and stepping back brutality?  What a strange perspective you have!  I am sure you knew ACORN holdovers currently manifested as Antifa and extreme marxist members of BLM are the ones conducting terrorist operations.

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27 minutes ago, pogi said:

I highly question whether we could be a "free people bearing arms without special protections like this."   How are freedom and rights maintained without constitutional protections?  How could you say that the right to bear arms is a right at all?  I highly doubt that the government would maintain your libertarian ideals of a free people bearing arms without protections. 

The constitution brought us the civil war with 5 million dead.  Great Britain, meanwhile, fifty years before, made slavery illegal.

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16 hours ago, MiserereNobis said:

...a few ridiculous Boogaloo boys showed up in their Hawaiian shirts and tactical gear.

Huh?

Is that a "thing"?  Never heard of Boogaloo boys

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19 minutes ago, Bob Crockett said:

The constitution brought us the civil war with 5 million dead.  Great Britain, meanwhile, fifty years before, made slavery illegal.

Besides being a straw-man, this sounds very anti-republic/revolution. 

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12 minutes ago, pogi said:

Besides being a straw-man, this sounds very anti-republic/revolution. 

A close study of the sermons of Brigham Young and Joseph Smith shows that they despised or distrusted the federal government and the constitution.  Sure, Joseph Smith said things about the constitution being inspired, as does the D&C, but his view of the constitution was that it was deeply flawed and needed changing.  His constitutional views can be seen from his presidential platform where he advocated, among other things, abolition. Brigham Young's views were more fiery in denunciation.  If I were to post some of Pres. Young's more inflammatory sermon quotes, you'd be shocked -- hanging federal officials and the president.

When you think about the worldwide church and what it teaches today, one must wonder what Mexicans think when right wing Mormons go on and on about their constitution and their right to bear arms and kill people with those arms.  Or Canadians. 

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