So We Attended Church Today, First Time in Three Months....

[pogi]

9 minutes ago, longview said:

There are too many of them.  He has to be stepping carefully on eggshells on some issues because of the foaming-in-the-mouth hatred exhibited by the dominant media.

The media has never stopped him before.  Trump does whatever he wants without regard for what the media says or thinks.  Why should this be any different?

Are you trying to convince me that Trump is more concerned about his image than he is about preserving and protecting the integrity of the White House and the nation?  Got it!

Just what is their diabolical plan exactly with all of this? 

[Amulek]

On 6/20/2020 at 12:58 AM, Calm said:

On 6/19/2020 at 11:20 PM, provoman said:

My position is, if something is claimed to be N95 or KN95 and I can purchase it....I have little faith it is genuine product.

I was wondering as my husband picked some kn95 at our pharmacy. It seemed unlikely. They appear to be better than what we had though (we had masks on hand due to daughter being high risk before the plague hit) and certainly fit better. Disappointing but they are sturdy enough to get a number of uses out of them if careful (disinfecting between). 

I usually don't post on Sundays, but I was printing off the new move-in list for church today and couldn't help but swing by (bad habit) and this caught my attention. 

@provoman is right about most "KN95" masks being fakes. Some companies are just branding their products with that as their name, but they aren't actually certified so there's no way to know what you are getting.

However, when the FDA issued the order to allow the import of KN95 masks (from countries other than China), they also released a list of a few dozen FDA certified manufacturers. You can find that list online, here:

        https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-emergency-use-authorizations-medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-euas#appendixa

And, I have found at least two suppliers who have some inventory available and are purchasing from the FDA certified list: here and here.

Once we get past the current pandemic I have a feeling we'll see an uptick in the replaceable filter style of masks - which there currently aren't a lot of, but they definitely help keep costs down as you're only needing to replace filters.

Anyway, hope that helps. 

 

 

[pogi]

49 minutes ago, longview said:

There are also many Deep Staters in the CDC.  It would be prudent to second guess the players and their track record.  You continue to be in denial about the outrageous inconsistencies in policies made throughout the covid hysteria.

And just what is their plan exactly, these doctors and scientists?  Are these inconsistencies all part of the master plan?  I would be more concerned of an orchestrated deep state conspiracy if there was literally perfect consistency in the face of a novel virus pandemic.

Edited June 21, 2020 by pogi

[longview]

51 minutes ago, pogi said:

Are you trying to convince me that Trump is more concerned about his image than he is about preserving and protecting the integrity of the White House and the nation?  Got it!

You are being cute.  I am sure you are aware of the 24/7 display of hatred put out by the elite class (that includes the dominant media) for the past 4 years.

[Calm]

51 minutes ago, Amulek said:

I usually don't post on Sundays, but I was printing off the new move-in list for church today and couldn't help but swing by (bad habit) and this caught my attention. 

@provoman is right about most "KN95" masks being fakes. Some companies are just branding their products with that as their name, but they aren't actually certified so there's no way to know what you are getting.

However, when the FDA issued the order to allow the import of KN95 masks (from countries other than China), they also released a list of a few dozen FDA certified manufacturers. You can find that list online, here:

        https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-emergency-use-authorizations-medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-euas#appendixa

And, I have found at least two suppliers who have some inventory available and are purchasing from the FDA certified list: here and here.

Once we get past the current pandemic I have a feeling we'll see an uptick in the replaceable filter style of masks - which there currently aren't a lot of, but they definitely help keep costs down as you're only needing to replace filters.

Anyway, hope that helps. 

 

 

Definitely. 

[pogi]

1 minute ago, longview said:

You are being cute.  I am sure you are aware of the 24/7 display of hatred put out by the elite class (that includes the dominant media) for the past 4 years.

And? 

[Calm]

trying to be good to the mods it being Sunday...

Edited June 21, 2020 by Calm

[longview]

46 minutes ago, pogi said:

And just what is their plan exactly, these doctors and scientists?  Are these inconsistencies all part of the master plan?  I would be more concerned of an orchestrated deep state conspiracy if there was literally perfect consistency in the face of a novel virus pandemic.

Read Saul Alinsky's book:  "Rules for Radicals".  The Left thrives on chaos and division and manipulations.

[longview]

On 6/21/2020 at 8:56 AM, Calm said:

As aware of the display of hate coming from the Twitter feed of a White House resident. 

Your view is sadly distorted.  Possibly due to your progressive naivete.  I am a regular reviewer of Trump tweets.  Some of his tweets may appear to be "bluster" but I only see firmness, NO hate.  Whereas the "foaming-in-the-mouth" hatred is happening on the left side.

 

[alter idem]

3 minutes ago, longview said:

Read Saul Alinsky's book:  "Rules for Radicals".  The Left thrives on chaos and division and manipulations.

You are right, and there's no question that some are taking advantage of the pandemic to further their agendas, from January till now, but since politics are not allowed here, we can't really discuss it properly. 

[Calm]

12 minutes ago, longview said:

Your view is sadly distorted. 

Please delete as I did not intend that momentary lapse in self control  to be engaged as it breaks board rules. 

[pogi]

1 hour ago, longview said:

Read Saul Alinsky's book:  "Rules for Radicals".  The Left thrives on chaos and division and manipulations.

I only see that coming from you here, trying to make chaos of science and division and distrust.  You keep bringing up politically motivated conspiracy theories (against board rules) and are fear mongering.  You distastefully malign the good name of a well respected and humble public health servant who has served faithfully for decades to 6 presidents who respect him from both sides of the isle, and has done a tremendous job in the face of an impossible task and a difficult boss.  We all owe him our thanks!

Edited June 21, 2020 by pogi

[MustardSeed]

I propose we get back on topic here, it’s a good topic. 
 

we are not back at church yet.  Word has it we will be at home church til at least mid winter. 
 

Right now politx has me less eager to get back to church.  I’m finding I have less in common with some strong personalities and major players in my ward.  “I will go back” but I might find myself pushing back when politicl comments are shared in Sunday school.  They will be, no doubt. 

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

trying to be good to the mods it being Sunday...

I know that's like shopping on Sunday and making employees have to work.  

[Amulek]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

I propose we get back on topic here, it’s a good topic.

It was my family's week to attend today. Fifty members were invited but only 40 actually attended. Four of whom we knew were borderline (due to age), and then we had one large family which had to bail out at the last minute having just found out that they had been in contact with someone who was covid-19 positive. So they will self-quarantining for the next couple of weeks and being tested. 

The service was short and simple - in and out, including post-sanitization efforts, in an hour flat. 

All of our pianists / organists are in the high risk category, so we're making due with pre-recorded audio for both the prelude music and the sacrament hymn (audio only, of course - no congregation singing).

Prelude is just fine, but the transition between announcements and the sacrament hymn could be a bit smoother still. I'm sure we'll get better with practice.

After the sacrament, I gave the talk / spiritual message. I arranged it so only my family was touching the podium, and nobody was sitting in the first several rows, so I elected to take my mask off for my actual talk. 

Afterwards we had a closing prayer and the ushers dismissed the congregation row-by-row. Selected youth (and a parent or two) stayed after to wipe everything down, which took right around 10-12 minutes tops.

All in all, it was a nice, simple, spiritual gathering. Definitely worth continuing.

P.S. By way of information, though not required, I would say that 90% of the congregation wore masks of one sort or another.

 

[MustardSeed]

42 minutes ago, Amulek said:

. I arranged it so only my family was touching the podium

A detail easily overlooked.  Well done. 

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

On 6/14/2020 at 3:51 PM, smac97 said:

5. Members older than 60 were encouraged to not attend,

Thanks,

-Smac

This is something that truly concerns me, on a number of levels. What worries me the most, comes from the decision to go ahead and cancel General Conference (to general membership) in October. I fear that persons such as my wife and I, will end up being lost or left behind, in this odd age in which we find ourselves. Due to some illness at the first of the year, I have only been able to attend two Sacrament Meetings this entire year. I fear that we will not be welcomed back into full fellowship, for a very long time. So long in fact that myself, and a large number of members in my age bracket will just find ourselves alone, or “out of site, out of mind”. Other than family, it has been months since we have been contented by anyone, including or home teachers, visiting teachers, who are also in this age bracket. In addition to no vaccine being discovered yet, we might very well find ourselves in the mists of a COVID-20 flu season before this one is addressed. 😢 

[Amulek]

18 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

19 hours ago, Amulek said:

I arranged it so only my family was touching the podium

A detail easily overlooked.  Well done. 

It was largely driven by self-interest.

When I found out I would be both conducting and speaking, it occurred to me that - were I to have my family give the opening / closing prayers - then we would be the only ones at the podium and we could get away with not having to wipe anything down between users.

Also, it would maybe give me an excuse to take my mask off during my talk, because I really think you miss out on not being able to see people's facial expressions when they are delivering a talk - though that may be something we have to learn how to live with as things go on. 

 

[Amulek]

12 hours ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

This is something that truly concerns me, on a number of levels. What worries me the most, comes from the decision to go ahead and cancel General Conference (to general membership) in October. I fear that persons such as my wife and I, will end up being lost or left behind, in this odd age in which we find ourselves. 

That's one of my concerns as well. We have had some older members of our congregation asking anxiously about when they will be able to return to church. Some of them have support structures which keep them in contact with people (e.g., family nearby, good ministers, etc.), but that isn't universally true. I'm worried that we might not be proactively doing enough to keep them engaged. I'm open to any suggestions you may have though - I'm willing to write physical letters if that's what it takes. 

 

[stemelbow]

I know many of my friends, neighbors and family were excited to get back to Church.  They've all been talking about it.  Utah's rate of getting Covid has gone up recently.  But Utah hasn't seen many deaths at all.  As you run through other states Utah has less deaths per cases then the rest.  That's likely because it's spreading fastest now, in Utah.  The deaths may yet be coming.  Although I've had health worker friends say things like, "we saw 7 people die at our hospital today due to the virus"  But then the reported numbers end up being 0 or 1.  And by the end of the week we never see the 7 that apparently happened.  So who knows?  Sounds like the reporting of the numbers has some problems.  

[ksfisher]

1 hour ago, stemelbow said:

As you run through other states Utah has less deaths per cases then the rest.  That's likely because it's spreading fastest now, in Utah.  The deaths may yet be coming. 

Utah has one of the youngest populations in the nation.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

1 hour ago, Amulek said:

That's one of my concerns as well. We have had some older members of our congregation asking anxiously about when they will be able to return to church. Some of them have support structures which keep them in contact with people (e.g., family nearby, good ministers, etc.), but that isn't universally true. I'm worried that we might not be proactively doing enough to keep them engaged. I'm open to any suggestions you may have though - I'm willing to write physical letters if that's what it takes. 

 

One thing that seems to be a problem, is that my HT’s are also my age and feel like they have nothing to do. One of my family’s is in same age bracket as me, and so goes the circular reasoning; what do we do, what role do we play, if any, etc? 

[bluebell]

My parents' ward in northern Wyoming is basically back to normal now, just without the second hour and free run of the building.  For sacrament yesterday they had no social distancing, no masks, no special way to administer the sacrament, the primary kids stood shoulder to shoulder on the stand to sing their special musical number, and they had a pie social after church for Father's Day.

[ksfisher]

2 minutes ago, bluebell said:

My parents' ward in northern Wyoming is basically back to normal now, just without the second hour and free run of the building.  For sacrament yesterday they had no social distancing, no masks, no special way to administer the sacrament, the primary kids stood shoulder to shoulder on the stand to sing their special musical number, and they had a pie social after church for Father's Day.

Has Wyoming lifted all restrictions?  I tried looking on the WY health dept website, but their doesn't seem to be very much information.

[bluebell]

1 minute ago, ksfisher said:

Has Wyoming lifted all restrictions?  I tried looking on the WY health dept website, but their doesn't seem to be very much information.

Not that I know of.  Last I heard the restaurants in town were still only able to operate at 50% capacity indoors, for example.  I know they have very few cases in Wyoming though, and I don't think there are any cases in their specific county.