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Ahab Grand Master

Ahab

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1 hour ago, smac97 said:

Apart from a handful of Church-associated entities (Deseret Book, Deseret Industries, Deseret Ranch, Deseret News), it doesn't seem to be in much use.

Thanks,

-Smac

What about the song Neil Diamond sings about it.  Apparently the t is silent, or can even be changed to an e as long as you put a little squiggly thing over the e before it.

 

Scott Lloyd Grand Master

Scott Lloyd

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29 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Nice.  I of course referenced the all too cheesy “lovely” one. 

It’s a children’s song. If you find it cheesy, you’re probably viewing it through an adult lens. 

The melody is not even indigenously Latter-day Saint. It’s taken from a Protestant children’s song, to wit:

Jesus loves the little children,

All the little children of the world. 
Red and yellow, black and white, 

They are precious in His sight. 
Jesus loves the little children of the world. 

JLHPROF Grand Master

JLHPROF

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1 hour ago, Bernard Gui said:

One of my favorite hymns...Utah generated with mention of Deseret and allusion to its meaning....

Away beyond the prairies of the West,
Where exiled Saints in solitude were blest,
Where industry the seal of wealth has set
Amid the peaceful vales of Deseret,
Unheeding still the fiercest blasts that blow,
With tops encrusted by eternal snow,
The tow’ring peaks that shield the tender sod
Stand, types of freedom reared by nature’s God.

 

47 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Nice.  I of course referenced the all too cheesy “lovely” one. 

 

My first thought was "High On A Mountaintop", Utah generated and one of my favorites.

  • High on the mountain top 
    A banner is unfurled; 
    Ye nations, now look up; 
    It waves to all the world; 
    In Deseret's sweet, peaceful land-- 
    On Zion's mount behold it stand!

    For God remembers still 
    His promise made of old 
    That he on Zion's hill 
    Truth's standard would unfold! 
    Her light should there attract the gaze 
    Of all the world in latter days.

    His house shall there be reared 
    His glory to display; 
    And people shall be heard 
    In distant lands to say, 
    We'll now go up and serve the Lord, 
    Obey his truth and learn his word.

    For there we shall be taught 
    The law that will go forth, 
    With truth and wisdom fraught, 
    To govern all the earth; 
    Forever there his ways we'll tread, 
    And save ourselves with all our dead.

    Then hail to Deseret! 
    A refuge for the good, 
    And safety for the great, 
    If they but understood 
    That God with plagues will shake the world 
    Till all its thrones shall down be hurled.

    In Deseret doth truth 
    Rear up its royal head; 
    Though nations may oppose, 
    Still wider it shall spread; 
    Yes, truth and justice, love and grace, 
    In Deseret find ample place.


 

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Scott Lloyd Grand Master

Scott Lloyd

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13 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

 

 

My first thought was "High On A Mountaintop", Utah generated and one of my favorites.

  • High on the mountain top 
    A banner is unfurled; 
    Ye nations, now look up; 
    It waves to all the world; 
    In Deseret's sweet, peaceful land-- 
    On Zion's mount behold it stand!

    For God remembers still 
    His promise made of old 
    That he on Zion's hill 
    Truth's standard would unfold! 
    Her light should there attract the gaze 
    Of all the world in latter days.

    His house shall there be reared 
    His glory to display; 
    And people shall be heard 
    In distant lands to say, 
    We'll now go up and serve the Lord, 
    Obey his truth and learn his word.

    For there we shall be taught 
    The law that will go forth, 
    With truth and wisdom fraught, 
    To govern all the earth; 
    Forever there his ways we'll tread, 
    And save ourselves with all our dead.

    Then hail to Deseret! 
    A refuge for the good, 
    And safety for the great, 
    If they but understood 
    That God with plagues will shake the world 
    Till all its thrones shall down be hurled.

    In Deseret doth truth 
    Rear up its royal head; 
    Though nations may oppose, 
    Still wider it shall spread; 
    Yes, truth and justice, love and grace, 
    In Deseret find ample place.


 

This hymn is pure gold, an indispensable part of our legacy. Long may it remain in our hymnal. 
 

I had not heard the additional verses you give here. Thank you for quoting them. 

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JLHPROF Grand Master

JLHPROF

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17 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

This hymn is pure gold, an indispensable part of our legacy. Long may it remain in our hymnal. 
 

I had not heard the additional verses you give here. Thank you for quoting them. 

All part of my obsession with the complete gospel.  ;)

It sometimes bothers me when we don't sing all the verses.  In some cases it makes the narrative of the hymn incomplete, like telling half a story.
A Poor Wayfaring Man Of Grief is an example of this.  Without the final verse it doesn't have nearly the impact.

But I understand why we don't sing the missing verses in The Spirit of God.

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Scott Lloyd Grand Master

Scott Lloyd

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On 9/27/2019 at 12:22 PM, JLHPROF said:

All part of my obsession with the complete gospel.  ;)

It sometimes bothers me when we don't sing all the verses.  In some cases it makes the narrative of the hymn incomplete, like telling half a story.
A Poor Wayfaring Man Of Grief is an example of this.  Without the final verse it doesn't have nearly the impact.

But I understand why we don't sing the missing verses in The Spirit of God.

When I was growing up, the last two verses of “I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day” were printed below the staff in the hymn book. It would exasperate me when as a congregation we would end with “There is no peace on earth, I said, For hate is strong, ...” etc.

The following verse, printed below the staff, says, “Then peeled the bells more loud and deep, God is not dead nor doth he sleep. The wrong shall fail, the right prevail, ...” etc. 

Blessedly, when the new hymn book was published in 1985, this carol was included with all of the verses contained in the staff, so we are more apt to sing the whole song today. 

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Robert F. Smith Grand Master

Robert F. Smith

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5 hours ago, etana said:

IIRC Egyptian is a completely different branch from Semitic and has no real affinities with Akkadian. The Afro-Asiatic grouping is much broader than, say, indo-european where something like, e.g.  the proto-Celtic branch is recognisably related to proto-Italic.

As I said, "Akkadian and Egyptian are part of the Afro-Asiatic language family, and have much in common in grammar and vocabulary."  I refer you to my own summary:  “Conjugating Northern Afroasiatic Verbs: Semitic & Egyptian Linguistic Parallels,” March 28, 2001, online at https://www.scribd.com/document/416352567/CONJUGATING-NORTHERN-AFROASIATIC-VERBS-SEMITIC-EGYPTIAN-LINGUISTIC-PARALLELS.

For a much broader comparison, see my “Afroasiatic Relations: Egypt & Akkad,” Scribd.org, July 13, 2019, online at https://www.scribd.com/document/417129431/AFROASIATIC-RELATIONS-EGYPT-AKKAD .  In shorter form online at https://www.quora.com/Many-questions-on-Ancient-Egypt-are-about-whether-the-Egyptians-were-black-or-Middle-Eastern-Many-archaeologists-have-answered-that-they-were-indigenous-but-at-times-with-input-from-Nubia-and-the-Middle-East-Why-are/answer/Bob-Smith-3106 .

etana Community Regular

etana

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10 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

As I said, "Akkadian and Egyptian are part of the Afro-Asiatic language family, and have much in common in grammar and vocabulary."  I refer you to my own summary:  “Conjugating Northern Afroasiatic Verbs: Semitic & Egyptian Linguistic Parallels,” March 28, 2001, online at https://www.scribd.com/document/416352567/CONJUGATING-NORTHERN-AFROASIATIC-VERBS-SEMITIC-EGYPTIAN-LINGUISTIC-PARALLELS.

For a much broader comparison, see my “Afroasiatic Relations: Egypt & Akkad,” Scribd.org, July 13, 2019, online at https://www.scribd.com/document/417129431/AFROASIATIC-RELATIONS-EGYPT-AKKAD .  In shorter form online at https://www.quora.com/Many-questions-on-Ancient-Egypt-are-about-whether-the-Egyptians-were-black-or-Middle-Eastern-Many-archaeologists-have-answered-that-they-were-indigenous-but-at-times-with-input-from-Nubia-and-the-Middle-East-Why-are/answer/Bob-Smith-3106 .

Sounds like an interesting read, i will definitely check it out tomorrow. Thanks!

Bernard Gui Grand Master

Bernard Gui

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5 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Nice.  I of course referenced the all too cheesy “lovely” one. 

This is what I was responding to....

“But it’s not my favorite hymn.  I could do without it. I prefer the traditional hymns over the Utah generated ones.  

 

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Okrahomer Grand Master

Okrahomer

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6 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

 

 

My first thought was "High On A Mountaintop", Utah generated and one of my favorites.

  • High on the mountain top 
    A banner is unfurled; 
    Ye nations, now look up; 
    It waves to all the world; 
    In Deseret's sweet, peaceful land-- 
    On Zion's mount behold it stand!

    For God remembers still 
    His promise made of old 
    That he on Zion's hill 
    Truth's standard would unfold! 
    Her light should there attract the gaze 
    Of all the world in latter days.

    His house shall there be reared 
    His glory to display; 
    And people shall be heard 
    In distant lands to say, 
    We'll now go up and serve the Lord, 
    Obey his truth and learn his word.

    For there we shall be taught 
    The law that will go forth, 
    With truth and wisdom fraught, 
    To govern all the earth; 
    Forever there his ways we'll tread, 
    And save ourselves with all our dead.

    Then hail to Deseret! 
    A refuge for the good, 
    And safety for the great, 
    If they but understood 
    That God with plagues will shake the world 
    Till all its thrones shall down be hurled.

    In Deseret doth truth 
    Rear up its royal head; 
    Though nations may oppose, 
    Still wider it shall spread; 
    Yes, truth and justice, love and grace, 
    In Deseret find ample place.


 

I love this hymn, and it's not just because Joel Hills Johnson is my 4th Great Grandfather.

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Scott Lloyd Grand Master

Scott Lloyd

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1 hour ago, Okrahomer said:

I love this hymn, and it's not just because Joel Hills Johnson is my 4th Great Grandfather.

Ensign Peak, north of downtown Salt Lake City, inspired him to write it. I have hiked the peak many times. 

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MustardSeed Grand Master

MustardSeed

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On 9/27/2019 at 3:34 PM, Bernard Gui said:

This is what I was responding to....

“But it’s not my favorite hymn.  I could do without it. I prefer the traditional hymns over the Utah generated ones.  

 

Ah.

Im just a picky one with music I guess. 

Bernard Gui Grand Master

Bernard Gui

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48 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Ah.

Im just a picky one with music I guess. 

Text or melody? Or you just don’t like composers from Utah?

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Bernard Gui Grand Master

Bernard Gui

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5 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

I don’t believe I’ve ever heard it. 

I linked a recording. 

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=AwrU8NUAMY5dn2sA97DBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTEyY3BiODhvBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjY1NDdfMQRzZWMDc2M-?p=the+wintry+day+descending&back=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Dthe%2Bwintry%2Bday%2Bdescending%26ei%3DUTF-8&fr=ipad&turl=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOVP.EKvJajci_ukfyPTeW3aOrAHgFo%26amp%3Bpid%3DApi%26w%3D144%26h%3D77%26c%3D7&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnSRCIuCEGHg&***=The+Wintry+Day+Descending+to+Its+Close&l=263&vid=75c20976a3379748c691cec7c1112695&sigr=11b29sts2&sigb=124jpu8bn&sigt=1163lj3g9&sigi=12olfatjd

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MustardSeed Grand Master

MustardSeed

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3 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

I linked a recording. 

https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=AwrU8NUAMY5dn2sA97DBGOd_;_ylu=X3oDMTEyY3BiODhvBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjY1NDdfMQRzZWMDc2M-?p=the+wintry+day+descending&back=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Dthe%2Bwintry%2Bday%2Bdescending%26ei%3DUTF-8&fr=ipad&turl=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOVP.EKvJajci_ukfyPTeW3aOrAHgFo%26amp%3Bpid%3DApi%26w%3D144%26h%3D77%26c%3D7&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnSRCIuCEGHg&***=The+Wintry+Day+Descending+to+Its+Close&l=263&vid=75c20976a3379748c691cec7c1112695&sigr=11b29sts2&sigb=124jpu8bn&sigt=1163lj3g9&sigi=12olfatjd

Oh yes of course.

that’s a lovely song and of course a beautiful choir performance. 

I really dislike “in our lovely Deseret.”  

 

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Bernard Gui Grand Master

Bernard Gui

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49 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Oh yes of course.

that’s a lovely song and of course a beautiful choir performance. 

I really dislike “in our lovely Deseret.”  

 

I’m not fond of it either. Nor some of the other dotted-eighth/sixteenth note Salvation Band style marching songs...tah_tee tah_tee. 

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nuclearfuels Mentor

nuclearfuels

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On 9/14/2019 at 12:12 PM, Valentinus said:

This topic is inspired in part by the DezNat thread but not in the way some may think. 

I'm wondering why the term Deseret is being used at all anymore. I don't think the reasoning can be reduced simply to fond sentimentality of BYs endeavor to name a land Deseret or to create a language for the members of that time.

Speaking for myself only here - It might still be used like in the hymn Our Lovely Deseret, as as reminder of the theocracy Jesus will institute when he returns.  Whether you want to call that seditious rebellion to the established govt of the land is up to you.

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