Doctrine 612 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 How do some of you feel about CBD, is it breaking the words of wisdom? Link to comment
rpn Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) CBD, to the extent that it is medically prescribed and taken as directed, is not against the word of wisdom. But I wouldn't take it until I'd tried everything that is more traditional without resolving the medical issue. And I wouldn't be taking it until or unless there was sufficient information to establish the therapeutic dose. Edited May 27, 2019 by rpn Link to comment
Tacenda Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 If it does, than we're in trouble in Utah. Because it's all over the place now. Just saw this new Netlix documentary, and boy oh boy, the THC is so needed to reduce or eliminate tumors. So I don't get why Utah's reps in the legislature fought so hard to not have it, as well as the church. I hope someone, anyone will watch and give me their opinion! Or there are other ways to watch. https://www.weedthepeoplemovie.com/ Drove through Provo and saw a promo for CBD oil on a screen that switches periodically on a billboard yesterday. And a recent news item: https://kutv.com/news/local/utahs-medical-marijuana-program-limits-growing-to-10-farms-could-cause-shortages Link to comment
Popular Post RevTestament Posted May 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Doctrine 612 said: How do some of you feel about CBD, is it breaking the words of wisdom? NO. D&C 89: 10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man— 11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving. Herbs require knowledge and skill to be used well. They can kill you, or they can help you. D&C does not explicitly cover them all, but is saying to learn about them and use them wisely. I have seen little evidence of harm by CBD use - the worst seems to be certain gastrointestinal symptoms with high doses. However, I do urge some caution because where there is money to be had, there is probably fraud - selling hemp oil as CBD, etc. There is certainly some evidence for its efficacious use in cases of seizure disorders, and I believe it can be efficacious for pain as well - even in low doses. If someone believes or knows something is harmful, is it against the WoW to use it? I would say yes. It would be against the WoW for me to give comfrey root to one of my children, because I believe it is harmful. It would not be prudent of me. I see no real evidence of harm by CBD - only good. Therefore, I think it should be subject to regulation, but should be made available OTC. But that is up to each state to decide IMHO. 7 Link to comment
Popular Post MustardSeed Posted May 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2019 I’d way sooner use a non addictive non street , all natural no harm CBD over any narcotic or highly addictive traditional pain med opiate. I for the life of me cannot make sense of the idea that morphine or codene or anxiety meds or oxy is ok to use but that CBD is bad. ? Years of beliefs are hard to challenge I suppose. 5 Link to comment
provoman Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 hour ago, rpn said: CBD, to the extent that it is medically prescribed and taken as directed, is not against the word of wisdom. But I wouldn't take it until I'd tried everything that is more traditional without resolving the medical issue. And I wouldn't be taking it until or unless there was sufficient information to establish the therapeutic dose. I do not believe your opening post is correct. CBD, most common in a oil form, does not require a Rx, I can get it over the counter at the local pharmacy. 2 Link to comment
LoudmouthMormon Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Hi from smoky Colorado. So, bishops worldwide have always striven to use church welfare/food orders/fast offerings funds properly. There are always judgment calls, where a bishop asks themselves "is the only reason I see this person at church, is because they're doing absolute barest minimum required to continue to receive church aid, or are they actually striving to improve their lives and draw closer to God?" These days, bishops continue to occasionally deal with folks like that, except now, they also smoke pot because they "have a medical need", like "anxiety". So a bishop thinks about the rent check the church is covering, or the utility bill the church is paying, and they ask themselves if they're just freeing up funds for someone to be able to get high more often. Congratulations on legalizing MMJ Utah. Pray for your bishops. Link to comment
phaedrus ut Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Earth has plants that produce cannabinoids and the human body has cannabinoid receptors to bind to these compounds and use their effects in the muscular system, immune system and others. I think there is real medicine to be found within plants that produce cannabinoids but I strongly suspect that what's being sold in these CBD mlms is mostly snake oil, wishful thinking, and exaggerated marketing. They probably are more powerful than essential oils but much less than actual medical marijuana. Phaedrus 1 Link to comment
Maidservant Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Here they sell it at the local swap meet. I haven't used it yet, but then I consider myself mostly healthy and I am exploring more food based healing at this time. Link to comment
strappinglad Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 The problem now is there is little regulation and requirements for accurate labels etc. It's going to take a while to see trustworthy brands and so forth. 3 Link to comment
Hamba Tuhan Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 9 hours ago, RevTestament said: 11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving. Herbs require knowledge and skill to be used well. They can kill you, or they can help you. The word herb in 19th-century American English meant an annual plant (see http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/herb) whilst the word vegetable in its primary definition just meant 'plant', though it had already started to take on the meaning of a culinary plant (see http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/vegetable). References to 'herbs and fruits' in the Word of Wisdom (including your quote above) would therefore correspond to our contemporary 'fruits and vegetables' moreso than to plants grown as seasonings or plants grown for some 'medicinal' purpose. 4 Link to comment
RevTestament Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: The word herb in 19th-century American English meant an annual plant (see http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/herb) whilst the word vegetable in its primary definition just meant 'plant', though it had already started to take on the meaning of a culinary plant (see http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/vegetable). References to 'herbs and fruits' in the Word of Wisdom (including your quote above) would therefore correspond to our contemporary 'fruits and vegetables' moreso than to plants grown as seasonings or plants grown for some 'medicinal' purpose. There you have it. Eat your fruits and vegetables with prudence kiddies.... 2 Link to comment
snowflake Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 19 hours ago, Doctrine 612 said: How do some of you feel about CBD, is it breaking the words of wisdom? CBD is legal at the federal level thanks to the 2018 Farm Bill. As far as breaking the word of wisdom.....the church is fine with the opiates, benzodiazepenes and surprisingly medical marijuana. My Pops sleeps like a baby now days thanks to MM. He suffered for years from insomnia....now he has access to cheap, organic, homegrown pot....and he's a true blue. 1 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) I saw this on FB, it is a friend of my sister/brother in law on my husband's side. I thought it quite amazing, and thinking of trying the cannabis water soluable vs. the cannabis oil. Oops, it shows my FB profile so I deleted it. I need to figure a better way to show the video. I'm wondering also, if Bernard or others have changed on their view of cannabis? It's quite astounding the things this plant can do. I know in Utah that several farmer's want to grow it, pretty sure some are LDS as well, not that that should matter. Edited June 20, 2019 by Tacenda Link to comment
Teancum Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 On 5/27/2019 at 1:41 PM, Doctrine 612 said: How do some of you feel about CBD, is it breaking the words of wisdom? Really who cares? Would you ask this if you were prescribed an opioid for pain or Xanax for anti-anxiety and depression? Nope. So why ask it about this? Link to comment
Danzo Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 IS CBD oil actually good for anything? Sounds like the latest snake oil to me, you know "good for whatever ails you." 2 Link to comment
Calm Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) There are studies showing its effectiveness for several things, but the levels given are significantly higher than what you get commercially in health stores usually ( not sure in states that allow marijuana), so it is unknown as far as studies whether or not they are effective at lower dosages. Lots of anecdotes, but they are iffy for cause and effect. I know a number of people who believe they have done well, but some or many could be placebo or other things they started at the same time.. Tacenda was able to get off at least one med ( and not just because she felt better, but it worked so her blood levels were normal iirc). I think she said that was the only change she made. I tried it for a couple of nights when I went off my sleep med. No help and since I was feeling sick, I decided not to add anything that might take longer than my tapering off would take. That went so well, I am dropping my pain med dose by a quarter and that is taking longer to adjust to, so it will be at least a month before I try CBD again (recommended by a pharmacist when my pain med wasn't available). I need something that can help reset my clock, exhausting myself with waterworks isn't enough. Still not going to sleep before the sun comes up. Edited June 21, 2019 by Calm Link to comment
bluebell Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 27 minutes ago, Danzo said: IS CBD oil actually good for anything? Sounds like the latest snake oil to me, you know "good for whatever ails you." We have family friends who used it to help their daughter with cerebral palsy with muscle spasms. It used to work wonderfully but sadly it doesn’t help at all anymore. Ive heard similar things from people who have used it for depression and/or anxiety. 1 Link to comment
Calm Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bluebell said: We have family friends who used it to help their daughter with cerebral palsy with muscle spasms. It used to work wonderfully but sadly it doesn’t help at all anymore. Ive heard similar things from people who have used it for depression and/or anxiety. They should try it again after giving her body a break from it. Took about ten years for Am-bien to stop triggering deep, instant depression for me. I had taken it with no problems for about a year several times a week at least, then went three months without it due to it not be available up in .canada and not having any friends or family traveling to Utah to pick up a script for me. Next time I got it, something had reset and I got a bad, bad reaction. After that would try it every couple of years. Then 5 years ago, it was back to best drug ever. I was careful to take frequent holidays until Mom's stuff happened, so last year or so, it has been causing me significant problems, but I thought it was stress, so didn't dump it until two months ago. I plan to go at least 6 months before trying it again and then only use if for emergencies or to get to church if it starts working again without the morning sickness. Edited June 22, 2019 by Calm 1 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, Calm said: There are studies showing its effectiveness for several things, but the levels given are significantly higher than what you get commercially in health stores usually ( not sure in states that allow marijuana), so it is unknown as far as studies whether or not they are effective at lower dosages. Lots of anecdotes, but they are iffy for cause and effect. I know a number of people who believe they have done well, but some or many could be placebo or other things they started at the same time.. Tacenda was able to get off at least one med ( and not just because she felt better, but it worked so her blood levels were normal iirc). I think she said that was the only change she made. I tried it for a couple of nights when I went off my sleep med. No help and since I was feeling sick, I decided not to add anything that might take longer than my tapering off would take. That went so well, I am dropping my pain med dose by a quarter and that is taking longer to adjust to, so it will be at least a month before I try CBD again (recommended by a pharmacist when my pain med wasn't available). I need something that can help reset my clock, exhausting myself with waterworks isn't enough. Still not going to sleep before the sun comes up. I ordered a bottle of the water soluble cbd for my husband from the guy I saw on FB that knows my sister and brother in law. He's now a distributor for the company. Now I'm able to see the company etc. since I got the receipt and the company's website. Today I read their blog and the one below is very interesting, since it happened to me and she got off the meds for hypothyroidism as well and had many other symptoms go away, like insomnia and her feet neuropathy! So for my friend who has it in her feet and for you Calm, maybe it's something you'd both be interested in. My friend is on all kinds of meds, and I think that's part of her problem. But it isn't cheap, probably a 30 day supply is around $109.00. But probably worth it! Here is the blog post and the website if you'd like to learn more. And if you want the guy's number I can get it for you. https://www.brizopure.com/ http://blog.brizopure.com/lindseys-suthe-story/ Link to comment
PacMan Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) On 5/27/2019 at 12:05 PM, Tacenda said: If it does, than we're in trouble in Utah. Because it's all over the place now. Just saw this new Netlix documentary, and boy oh boy, the THC is so needed to reduce or eliminate tumors. So I don't get why Utah's reps in the legislature fought so hard to not have it, as well as the church. I hope someone, anyone will watch and give me their opinion! Or there are other ways to watch. https://www.weedthepeoplemovie.com/ Drove through Provo and saw a promo for CBD oil on a screen that switches periodically on a billboard yesterday. And a recent news item: https://kutv.com/news/local/utahs-medical-marijuana-program-limits-growing-to-10-farms-could-cause-shortages Actually, the church didn’t fight against marijuana. They fought against a disastrous bill that immuned all sorts of providers (including midwives) from liability that have no business prescribing psychotropic drugs. To the contrary, the church publicly supported a compromise before the vote. Marijuana was never the issue. Edited June 22, 2019 by PacMan 1 Link to comment
Calm Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 1 hour ago, PacMan said: They fought against a disastrous bill that immuned all sorts of providers (including midwives) from liability that have no business prescribing psychotropic drugs At this point there is not much difference. None of my doctors have a clue what is going on with marijuana or how to get it for their patients or how to find out. 2 Link to comment
california boy Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 On 5/28/2019 at 6:10 AM, Hamba Tuhan said: The word herb in 19th-century American English meant an annual plant (see http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/herb) whilst the word vegetable in its primary definition just meant 'plant', though it had already started to take on the meaning of a culinary plant (see http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/vegetable). References to 'herbs and fruits' in the Word of Wisdom (including your quote above) would therefore correspond to our contemporary 'fruits and vegetables' moreso than to plants grown as seasonings or plants grown for some 'medicinal' purpose. You do realize that marijuana is an annual right? Link to comment
Bernard Gui Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 On 5/27/2019 at 10:41 AM, Doctrine 612 said: How do some of you feel about CBD, is it breaking the words of wisdom? Internal or external? Link to comment
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