What? No authority needed to pass the sacrament?

[LittleNipper]

5 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Because it's a book that was compiled by a man named Mormon.

Oddly, the actual Mormon account is neither the first nor last book found in The BOOK of MORMON. Why not simply call it The Tale's of Nephi.

[LittleNipper]

11 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Or she can just ignore your posts.  That's what I do with posts that I find difficult to read.

I'm sure Calm is seeking some excuse.

[Storm Rider]

Of course, individuals can just tire of silliness. I grew up with Evangelicals and they remain the least interesting and hardest to appreciate among those found among the Body of Christ. Their theology is shallow and their overall refusal to just recognize what the Bible says is tiresome. Add a little stupidity into the mix and overall they become a group really easy to ignore. 

[LittleNipper]

12 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Great.  Members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that God has clarified that the protestants are doing it wrong so we don't do it that way.

The problem is, GOD didn't infer such in the Bible. God didn't reiterate such in the book of Mormon. And Joseph Smith found the plates, gave back the plates, translated the plates, and became the leader telling everyone he was put in charge and had everything right and everyone else was wrong. And you don't question this train of logic at all? Remember the Holy Spirit speaks to the heart and not through one's feelings. Even Moses was given a staff and GOD's name.

[bluebell]

13 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

I'm sure Calm is seeking some excuse.

1) That's not a nice thing to say.  

2) It definitely doesn't match Calm's posting tone or her previous actions and no one who has interacted with her over the years would ever believe it's true.

3) No one needs an excuse not to read another's posts.  No posts are so awesome or important that anyone should feel bad about, or need an excuse, not reading them.  

[LittleNipper]

17 minutes ago, Storm Rider said:

Of course, individuals can just tire of silliness. I grew up with Evangelicals and they remain the least interesting and hardest to appreciate among those found among the Body of Christ. Their theology is shallow and their overall refusal to just recognize what the Bible says is tiresome. Add a little stupidity into the mix and overall they become a group really easy to ignore. 

By grace are ye saved and not of works lest any man should boast.                   Shallow in what way exactly? 

I Corinthians 1:27

Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise.

Edited November 4, 2018 by LittleNipper

[bluebell]

3 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

The problem is, GOD didn't infer such in the Bible. God didn't reiterate such in the book of Mormon. And Joseph Smith found the plates, gave back the plates, translated the plates, and became the leader telling everyone he was put in charge and had everything right and everyone else was wrong. And you don't question this train of logic at all? Remember the Holy Spirit speaks to the heart and not through one's feelings. Even Moses was given a staff and GOD's name.

Members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints don't believe any of that is a problem (or that's accurate) and we don't really care that you do.

[bluebell]

25 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

Oddly, the actual Mormon account is neither the first nor last book found in The BOOK of MORMON. Why not simply call it The Tale's of Nephi.

Because it doesn't matter what it's called (that it has one name and not another is not at all 'odd').  And you don't care what it's called anyway so don't pretend like you do.  You are just looking for things to complain about, whether they are logical or not.

Edited November 4, 2018 by bluebell

[LittleNipper]

4 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints don't believe any of that is a problem (or that's accurate) and we don't really care that you do.

You could certainly fool me! They certainly seem to know when to shut down a thread to demonstrate exactly how much they don't care....

[Bernard Gui]

50 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Thanks for taking the time to answer that and provide the references.  I appreciate it.  Is there any part of the verses that you quoted (in your opinion) that could not be covered by an ordained person giving the sacrament to an unordained person, after they have blessed it.

For example, what reference prohibits a priest, after having prepared and blessed the sacrament, from giving it (or passing it) to an unordained person, rather than to another ordained person? I don't see one in what you have quoted but I'm interested in your take on it.

I have always said that the deacons act as assistants to the priests in the ordinance and that was verified by the Handbook of Instructions. Any worthy Aaronic or Melchizedek Priesthood bearer is authorized to pass the sacrament.  I didn't see the Handbook quote until this weekend. I asked my bishop and stake president for their opinions on the question, and the bishop sent me the quote from the Handbook. He said Handbook 1 has the same information. It verifies that the sacrament is "given" by the deacons and passed by members along the rows "for convenience," which I have also maintained all along. No comments on the Handbook instructions and their relationship with 3 Nephi 18?

Edited November 4, 2018 by Bernard Gui

[LittleNipper]

6 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Because it doesn't matter what it's called (that it has one name and not another is not at all 'odd').  And you don't care what it's called anyway so don't pretend like you do.  You are just looking for things to complain about, whether they are logical or not.

I'm a Bible based Saint who lives in these latter days. I believe all Born-again believers are the only Saints there are presently residing on this planet. Mormons may label themselves whatever they wish; however, I cannot as a Christian extend to you a title which is founded on a book that isn't either Christian nor Biblical. I think you have it backwards... I'm not the one complaining, I like Paul and Peter inform what the Bible has to say.  Mormons seem to do the complaining...

[bluebell]

15 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

You could certainly fool me! They certainly seem to know when to shut down a thread to demonstrate exactly how much they don't care....

You just sound like sour grapes now. 

[bluebell]

7 minutes ago, LittleNipper said:

I'm a Bible based Saint who lives in these latter days. I believe all Born-again believers are the only Saints there are presently residing on this planet. Mormons may label themselves whatever they wish; however, I cannot as a Christian extend to you a title which is founded on a book that isn't either Christian nor Biblical. I think you have it backwards... I'm not the one complaining, I like Paul and Peter inform what the Bible has to say.  Mormons seem to do the complaining...

Yes, we know your thoughts on it. They, and your posting style (where you just lecture and tell everyone how right you are over and over again ) are not persuasive. 

[Anakin7]

1 hour ago, LittleNipper said:

So when did the water become His blood? Is that anything like the Roman Catholic version of transubstantiation?

    As a claimed/supposed Christian the way you phrased the 1st question borderline un christ like/uncharitable behavior, you could have asked this question in a more Christlike/Charitable way. I take it you are referring to one of my closing sig phrases - "Washing My Garment/Robe In His Blood:, if you had done any honest research on those True Grace Empowered statements you would find your answers. By the way that phrase is found in Holy writ both in The Old World [Holy Bible] and in the New World [ Book Of Mormon], and it has a # of meanings in relation to Christ Jesus Awesome Atoning Blood Sacrifice on behalf of mankind. And do some research on why we use water instead of wine/grape juice for the Sacrament. And in response to question #2 the answer is no.  I find it bewildering that you as a professed born again christian being in contact/conversation/dialogue and research about True Grace Empowered Doctrines/Teaching/Thought/Practice/Walk/Run/Journey about things we believe that you did not already know the answers. Must go, have a True Grace Empowered Day/Night.

The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine

Washing My Garment/Robe In His Blood

In His Eternal Debt/Grace

Anakin7

LDS, Saint ,Christian, Sentinel, Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian, Warrior

Edited November 4, 2018 by Anakin7

[bluebell]

14 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

I have always said that the deacons act as assistants to the priests in the ordinance and that was verified by the Handbook of Instructions. Any worthy Aaronic or Melchizedek Priesthood bearer is authorized to pass the sacrament.  I didn't see the Handbook quote until this weekend. I asked my bishop and stake president for their opinions on the question, and the bishop sent me the quote from the Handbook. He said Handbook 1 has the same information. It verifies that the sacrament is "given" by the deacons and passed by members along the rows "for convenience," which I have also maintained all along. No comments on the Handbook instructions and their relationship with 3 Nephi 18?

What the handbook says is irrelevant to what the verses in 3rd Nephi teach on their own, so I didn’t see a reason to comment on it. 

As I said earlier, no one is arguing that how the church administers the sacrament is incompatible with the verses in Nephi. The question is whether or not using ordained males to be the intermediates between the priests and the congregation is the only option that is compatible with those verses. 

I don’t see that supported by the text. 

[Anakin7]

1 hour ago, LittleNipper said:

Oddly, the actual Mormon account is neither the first nor last book found in The BOOK of MORMON. Why not simply call it The Tale's of Nephi.

    It's The Lords decision not yours - said to you out of Love.

The Atonement It Is the Central Doctrine

Washing My Garment/Robe In His Blood

In His Eternal Debt/Grace

Anakin7

LDS, Saint, Christian, Sentinel, Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian, Warrior  

 

 

[Anakin7]

1 hour ago, LittleNipper said:

So why is it called THE BOOK OF MORMON? Why not call it THE BOOK OF THE  LATTER-DAY SAINTS?

    Think and ponder why about it . You see but see not

The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine

Washing My Garment/Robe In His Blood

In His Eternal Debt/Grace

Anakin7 

LDS, Saint, Christian, Sentinel, Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian, Warrior

[Anakin7]

1 hour ago, LittleNipper said:

 

No, I will not quit using cap where I'm trying to emphasize a point. If that bothers you perhaps you might just consider that there are not a few things you do that bother me; however, I just overlook what I might consider rude to some immaturity on your part. I imagine that you'd have a problem with cursive as well... 

    Okay lets forgive and move on in Love.

[LittleNipper]

33 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Yes, we know your thoughts on it. They, and your posting style (where you just lecture and tell everyone how right you are over and over again ) are not persuasive. 

I don't say I'm right. I tell you what I believe and why I believe it. And it isn't simply based on feelings.  You tell me YOU'RE right. 

Edited November 4, 2018 by LittleNipper

[Anakin7]

1 hour ago, LittleNipper said:

By grace are ye saved and not of works lest any man should boast.                   Shallow in what way exactly? 

I Corinthians 1:27

Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise.

    Yes by [ True ] Grace Alone by [ True ] Faith alone as understood anciently in the middle east.

The Atonement it is The Central Doctrine

Washing My Garment/Robe In His Blood

In His Eternal debt/Grace

Anakin7

LDS, Saint, Christian, Sentinel, Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian, Warrior

[Anakin7]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

No, I was going to suggest italics or underlining.

    Lets see if he takes your suggestion to heart, it would be helpful for him, just saying out of Love.

The Atonement It Is The Central Doctrine

Washing My Garment/Robe In His Blood

In His Eternal Debt/Grace

Anakin7

LDS, Saint, Christian, Sentinel, Son Of Thunder, Kryptonian, Warrior

[rodheadlee]

2 hours ago, LittleNipper said:

So why is it called THE BOOK OF MORMON? Why not call it THE BOOK OF THE  LATTER-DAY SAINTS?

We don't worship Mormon.  is the Bible called The Book of Jesus Christ? 

[Bernard Gui]

1 hour ago, bluebell said:

What the handbook says is irrelevant to what the verses in 3rd Nephi teach on their own, so I didn’t see a reason to comment on it. 

As I said earlier, no one is arguing that how the church administers the sacrament is incompatible with the verses in Nephi. The question is whether or not using ordained males to be the intermediates between the priests and the congregation is the only option that is compatible with those verses. 

I don’t see that supported by the text. 

It is surely relevant because the purpose of the OP was to show that 3 Nephi 18 is scriptural evidence that those who pass the sacrament must be ordained to do it. There is nothing to suggest that unauthorized members can pass the sacrament. Passing is a part of administering as the instructions in the Handbook explicitly confirm. It equates give with pass. We will have to agree to disagree.

 

 

Edited November 4, 2018 by Bernard Gui

[LittleNipper]

Just now, rodheadlee said:

We don't worship Mormon.  is the Bible called The Book of Jesus Christ? 

I find that a perfect name for it. Evangelicals will say that Bible is HIS story.  That is the only reason the Bible exists. Without Christ, what point is there to the Book of Jesus Christ.

[rodheadlee]

3 hours ago, LittleNipper said:

So why is it called THE BOOK OF MORMON? Why not call it THE BOOK OF THE  LATTER-DAY SAINTS?

You're describing the book, one of the scriptures that we read.  The church is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints because it's His church,  He started it He is at the head of it. He will be disappointed that you don't recognize the work that he has done for you.

Edited November 4, 2018 by rodheadlee