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Whelp, here I am again asking something off the wall because, once again I you guys/girls give me some of the best advice I can get so here we go.

Do you think $100 would be a fair price to pay to pick someone up from a drinking establishment and drive them home in their car?  I know Uber can cost 20 to 30, even 40 or more during surge hours and you still not only have your car to pick up the next morning, it may have a parking ticket, boot or be in an impound lot.  Random question I know, just doing a bit of research.  I know there are people here with a law enforcment and legal background so I thought I'd ask.  Thanks! 

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Will their insurance cover damage for which you might be liable if something untoward were to happen while you drive their car?  (Heaven forbid! Perish the thought!  I have no reason to believe you would exercise anything but the utmost care in such a circumstance, but let's just say such damage was inadvertent and terribly unfortunate ...)  I don't know: I'm certainly not an expert, and I'm certainly not a legal expert :rolleyes:, but my hunch (for what little its worth) is, "Probably not."  My hunch is that insurance companies like to know who they're dealing with ("Insured Parties [A] through infinity") as opposed to "Persons unknown who happened to be driving Insured Party [A]'s Vehicle [X]" ...

In that circumstance (as unlikely as its actual occurrence might be), a measly C-note might not be nearly such a great bargain ...  Just sayin'!  And just food for thought.

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1 hour ago, strappinglad said:

If it is a one time thing, do it for free or only the cost of getting you to the establishment. If it becomes a habit, then charge whatever the market will bear. (bare???) Where I live, there is an insurance problem if you haul someone for a fee. Be aware of liability .

I've considered drawing up a form and having a lawyer give it a look over.  Plan is have them sign it in front of the bar keep and take a photo of it with him in the back ground and the establishments business card in the photo.  Appreciate the advice.

1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Will their insurance cover damage for which you might be liable if something untoward were to happen while you drive their car?  (Heaven forbid! Perish the thought!  I have no reason to believe you would exercise anything but the utmost care in such a circumstance, but let's just say such damage was inadvertent and terribly unfortunate ...)  I don't know: I'm certainly not an expert, and I'm certainly not a legal expert :rolleyes:, but my hunch (for what little its worth) is, "Probably not."  My hunch is that insurance companies like to know who they're dealing with ("Insured Parties [A] through infinity") as opposed to "Persons unknown who happened to be driving Insured Party [A]'s Vehicle [X]" ...

In that circumstance (as unlikely as its actual occurrence might be), a measly C-note might not be nearly such a great bargain ...  Just sayin'!  And just food for thought.

That's something i'd be asking the lawyer while he's looking at the form the client would be signing before services are rendered.  People sue for anything. 

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27 minutes ago, poptart said:

I've considered drawing up a form and having a lawyer give it a look over.  Plan is have them sign it in front of the bar keep and take a photo of it with him in the back ground and the establishments business card in the photo.  Appreciate the advice.

That's something i'd be asking the lawyer while he's looking at the form the client would be signing before services are rendered.  People sue for anything. 

That's wise.

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15 hours ago, poptart said:

Whelp, here I am again asking something off the wall because, once again I you guys/girls give me some of the best advice I can get so here we go.

Do you think $100 would be a fair price to pay to pick someone up from a drinking establishment and drive them home in their car?  I know Uber can cost 20 to 30, even 40 or more during surge hours and you still not only have your car to pick up the next morning, it may have a parking ticket, boot or be in an impound lot.  Random question I know, just doing a bit of research.  I know there are people here with a law enforcment and legal background so I thought I'd ask.  Thanks! 

Wow, you may have a good gig here poptart, never thought of the worries of leaving your car. Or needing it for work the next morning possibly. I just worry about the costs for you in being car-less and getting back to your vehicle, or are you taking Uber yourself? If so how is that cost affective? Oh, and to answer the question, no I don't believe $100.00 is too much or too little, probably just right.

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If  you are paying for it, then yes it could be fair.   If you were charging for it, it might be too much (the person who wanted you to pick them up might be put off from doing so), or it might be completely okay.

 

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17 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

That's wise.

Shame we are the way we are nowadays, if as a society chose to be adults again we'd all be so much better off, is what it is I guess.

4 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Wow, you may have a good gig here poptart, never thought of the worries of leaving your car. Or needing it for work the next morning possibly. I just worry about the costs for you in being car-less and getting back to your vehicle, or are you taking Uber yourself? If so how is that cost affective? Oh, and to answer the question, no I don't believe $100.00 is too much or too little, probably just right.

So, here's where it gets interesting and quite clever, I already have a few people lined up.  Once we get paid and said drunk signs the waiver in front of the bar keep, one of us drives him/her home in their car.  I'll probably buy a cheap go pro cam and video tape everything, drunk people can do stupid things.  Once they're dropped off?  The guy who dropped me off picks me up.  I called a few police/state patrol friends, they thought $100 was a steal, considering impound fees can range from $160-200, and the daily lot fees are $50-100 if your car get's tow'd.  Also, DUI's are 15k+ if you have a good lawyer. 

2 hours ago, rpn said:

If  you are paying for it, then yes it could be fair.   If you were charging for it, it might be too much (the person who wanted you to pick them up might be put off from doing so), or it might be completely okay.

 

Parking tickets can be expensive, impound fees even more so (Esp. if you need your car the next day) and DUI's are not only very expensive, they are usually life altering (In a bad way).

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5 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Wow, you may have a good gig here poptart, never thought of the worries of leaving your car. Or needing it for work the next morning possibly. I just worry about the costs for you in being car-less and getting back to your vehicle, or are you taking Uber yourself? If so how is that cost affective? Oh, and to answer the question, no I don't believe $100.00 is too much or too little, probably just right.

Lol, considering this is a mormon board I'd thought i'd state the obvious, don't get drunk and get behind the wheel lol.  I'm not that much of a drinker and am paranoid about drinking in public.  Nowadays with social media it just doesn't pay, if someone is out to get you that's a very good time to record you doing something stupid.  About the only time I do social drinking is when I want to play the "I'm going to stay sober and watch all my friends/co-workers get wasted and do stupid things" game. 

Also, with the years I spent in insurance claims i've seen enough on my end to make me very paranoid around drunks.  On the bright side, considering how many of em are terrified of a DUI (or another one if they've racked up a few) I might as well do the community a favor and get em off the road (And lighten their bank account/wallet a little....)

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20 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Will their insurance cover damage for which you might be liable if something untoward were to happen while you drive their car?

If you have full coverage, your own insurance will cover whatever vehicle you drive.

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4 hours ago, mnn727 said:

If you have full coverage, your own insurance will cover whatever vehicle you drive.

Ay, there's the rub! ;)

P.S.: Comprehensive coverage is great ... if you can afford it. :huh::unknw: 

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3 hours ago, poptart said:

Lol, considering this is a mormon board I'd thought i'd state the obvious, don't get drunk and get behind the wheel lol.  I'm not that much of a drinker and am paranoid about drinking in public.  Nowadays with social media it just doesn't pay, if someone is out to get you that's a very good time to record you doing something stupid.  About the only time I do social drinking is when I want to play the "I'm going to stay sober and watch all my friends/co-workers get wasted and do stupid things" game. 

Also, with the years I spent in insurance claims i've seen enough on my end to make me very paranoid around drunks.  On the bright side, considering how many of em are terrified of a DUI (or another one if they've racked up a few) I might as well do the community a favor and get em off the road (And lighten their bank account/wallet a little....)

As someone whose livelihood is based on people making bad decisions and getting DUIs I encourage people to drink and drive.

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On 7/31/2018 at 9:14 PM, poptart said:

I've considered drawing up a form and having a lawyer give it a look over.  Plan is have them sign it in front of the bar keep and take a photo of it with him in the back ground and the establishments business card in the photo.  Appreciate the advice.

That's something i'd be asking the lawyer while he's looking at the form the client would be signing before services are rendered.  People sue for anything. 

But, if the client is drunk...can he legally sign a contract with you? I'm no lawyer but I was just wondering. 

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You could do market research by going into bars and asking people how much they think such a service would be worth.  Check out how you need to be legally covered and definitely get some sort of cam to protect from claims of assault, etc. maybe a couple (one on you, one on the passenger).  My husband teaches how to start up businesses, always do market research first.  And consult attorneys to ensure you are protected.  You would likely need to get the waiver/contract signed before they get drunk to ensure the contract will be ruled as valid:

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/is-a-contract-valid-if-i-signed-while-drunk-36845

When you do the market research, I would first ask them without giving them any info about impound fees, etc,  after they have given you their first impressions, then present the info on the potential costs of leaving their car at the bar or wherever and then ask them if they have changed their mind and what the amount is then.  Present the facts of your costs as well, which includes two people, one car and its gas and upkeep.  Might look at uber discussions to see if they cover what your costs will be (lots of people don't realize all the costs until after working for awhile, so keep very good records on mileage and time).

The first impression is probably what drunks will be willing to pay.  If that is more than what they come up with after you talk about actual costs, you might get arguments the next day when they sober up, so don't forget to figure in the time and energy costs of arguing.

Not saying you should accept what the customer says you are worth, just saying you need to find out first if you want satisfied customers, people who are willing to give bars references for your services, etc.

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