Ayla Stewart "Infuriated" by LDS Church's Condemnation of White Culture

[Darren10]

23 minutes ago, hagoth7 said:

As to stone throwing and the French, I'm guessing you've never seen Asterix and his pals, including the stone-throwing Obelix.

So-called Celtic practices actually used to be much more widely spread.

Wiki: "...bagpipes have been played for a millennium or more throughout large parts of Europe, northern Africa, and western Asia, including Turkey, the Caucasus, and around the Persian Gulf"

Nooooooooooo! We need less bagpipe playing, not more!

/ I kid, I like the sound of them...but not for too long a period of time.

[Rain]

 

On 8/28/2017 at 8:44 PM, BlueDreams said:

White culture is more like white amnesia in the US or an ignorant sense of greater affiliation with other whites than other races. What I mean by white amnesia is the sense by many whites in the US that they either don't have a culture....or that it's from some other part of their identity they place more emphasis on...such as religion, class, or country. Though those can also effect our cultural expression or experience....it's not the same. I remember in a class I took that all of us had to make something called a "cultural genorgram" Which entailed pinpointing the varying ethnic groups that we hail from and learning our family "rules" or expectations. There was a book that then noted cultural trends based on different ethnic groups. Several of my white peers were surprised to realize the cultural influences that remained from the groups they hailed from. My white family holds some strong German/British roots and it distinctly showed in how they relate to each other, discuss, and what's expected in the family. 

What "white culture" does exist is more about in-grouping practices and being the majority race in these countries. That's not a culture, that's an experience. It's not the same. So for example the irish and italians all of a couple generations ago wouldn't have been considered white. The were outside the experience of being white while still maintaining distinct cultures. Now they are considered white, but they still maintain distinctive cultural attributes. I believe the white nationalist groups are an off-shoot from this sense of white amnesia that allows race to be confused with culture. 

 

As for Ayla: I keep snickering and thinking it's hard to kick against the pricks isn't it....and then feeling oddly happy that she is not. 

With luv,

BD

Do you remember what the book was called? 

Just before your post I was thinking of amnesia of sorts, but I didn't know it was a thing until you posted.  This thread just led me to it so now I am really interested.

I was thinking how my husband has a Danish culture. We've discovered he is probably much more English than Danish, but the Danish has been a big part of his childhood - some because of his family, but some because he is from a small town that was settled by Danish and until maybe recently has remained predominantly Danish. Just a few days ago he made the family ableskivers which he had as a child.  There is a Danish song his mom taught him.  There are a few other things that are Danish.

So I was thinking about myself,  trying to figure out what culture I am.  As far as roots I don't seem to have a culture or I have forotten what it is.  I'd have to say,  without knowing otherwise that I live American culture. 

I'm thinking part of the problem here is that "black culture" is misnamed. Before we had the global communication that we have now it made more sense because,  as far as I know,  we were talking about blacks in America. Now we hear much more about the world so people may extend black culture to the world in their mind (black culture covers people from America, Nigeria, Zimbabwe etc) and so it makes sense to them that there is white culture which crosses the world as well (America, England, Denmark etc). Not sure I have explained that well.

 

Edited August 31, 2017 by Rain

[BlueDreams]

3 hours ago, Rain said:

 

Do you remember what the book was called? 

Just before your post I was thinking of amnesia of sorts, but I didn't know it was a thing until you posted.  This thread just led me to it so now I am really interested.

I was thinking how my husband has a Danish culture. We've discovered he is probably much more English than Danish, but the Danish has been a big part of his childhood - some because of his family, but some because he is from a small town that was settled by Danish and until maybe recently has remained predominantly Danish. Just a few days ago he made the family ableskivers which he had as a child.  There is a Danish song his mom taught him.  There are a few other things that are Danish.

So I was thinking about myself,  trying to duh out what culture I am.  As far as roots I don't seem to have a culture or I have forotten what it is.  I'd have to say,  without knowing otherwise that I live American culture. 

I'm thinking part of the problem here is that "black culture" is misnamed. Before we had the global communication that we have now it made more sense because,  as far as I know,  we were talking about blacks in America. Now we hear much more about the world so people may extend black culture to the world in their mind (black culture covers people from America, Nigeria, Zimbabwe etc) and so it makes sense to them that there is white culture which crosses the world as well (America, England, Denmark etc). Not sure I have explained that well.

 

Yeah, it was a fairly short textbook called "Ethnicity and Family Therapy. The up-to-date edition is pricey, but the 2nd edition is pretty dang cheap on amazon. 

You're not alone in knowing your cultural heritage. My white family has lived in the US since at least the 1830's if not longer on some branches. It's because of geneology and the church that we had a solid sense of the cultural roots in our family line. I'm still a little curious to take the ancestry test to see if we've really got it nailed down. 

Yeah, I do think "black culture" has been misapplied....and this can include from other black americans. There can be an assumption of greater affinity and ties based on their race than is really actually there. It comes out of the cultural movements that foster pan-africanism and spiritualist movements and desires to reconnect to african roots. So when the differences become blatant they are sometimes a source of misunderstanding or even contention. This is one stark example of this.....particularly about half way through:

I think in the American culture, race has been such a definitive part of deciding one's american experience that we still run with this since of race-culture assumptions that assumes that those that look most like us also have the closest cultural experience and affinity towards us. With new ethnic groups, you can see a bit of this grouping happening to people who in the countries of origin would have seen themselves as separate cultures. Now in the US they can become "subcultures" in their racial box. For example, Latinos and Asians. We're still a culture that likes clean-cut definitive categories of humanity. And the White in-group is a highly maintained box. White in american culture can become the definitive labeling experience. So the in-group to white race has historically been extremely limited and defined ones rights and full participation in american society. It's led to this cultural amnesia as people who fit into the phenotypic experience began defining their most important experiences around race rather than their native cultures. It didn't mean distinctive cultural differences aren't there. They're just renamed as familial quirks and just being American. 

Those parameters are currently in a state of flux. White boundaries are loosening just a little. Newer groups are being introduced into the american system in larger numbers, mixing is happening more. And all of these are leading to a racial and cultural reshuffle. What is white, what that means, and where that places someone in society is being changed. And I think some of the backlash and growth of these white nationalist/alt-right groups is a sense of displacement in this changing system. 

 

With luv,

BD

[Gray]

On 8/31/2017 at 1:25 AM, hagoth7 said:

As to stone throwing and the French, I'm guessing you've never seen Asterix and his pals, including the stone-throwing Obelix.

So-called Celtic practices actually used to be much more widely spread.

Wiki: "...bagpipes have been played for a millennium or more throughout large parts of Europe, northern Africa, and western Asia, including Turkey, the Caucasus, and around the Persian Gulf"

*shakes croissant angrily in hagoth's direction"