rockpond Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Another round of leaked documents... Quoting exmormon reddit: The 8 released leaks consist of: Direct deposit pay advice from 2002 for Joseph B. Wirthlin Internal infographic that outlines the financial benefits for Mission Presidents. Most notably is the instruction to not tell the Area Authorities about these financial arraignments. A financial report from October 2000 for the Polynesian Cultural Center Instructions for how to deal with budget surplus at the stake level. Audit report for a Stake in Utah Line item budget for a video production Services contracted by Kirton McConkie on behalf of the Church. Audio recording from a sacrament meeting where M. Russell Ballard spoke along with David Archuleta and Savannah Stevenson. At 14:42 Ballard can be heard praising some women from the early days of the church for ignoring their priesthood leaders (After Savannah Stevenson tells the story). At 41:58 Ballard tells the crowd that one cannot truly celebrate Christmas without expressing gratitude for Joseph Smith. https://mormonleaks.io/newsroom/2017-01-24-mormonleaks-releases-another-eight-documents-today/ 1
stemelbow Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 woe.hoe. Wirthlin in 2002 got paid 3200 bucks for the check. But a good two thirds of that were withheld? he netted 1,000 or a third of his pay? That sounds fishy. Plus he got reimbursed 6 grand for self employment tax during the year. Not sure what that's about. Anyway, it sounds like he has other income, maybe? and the heavy taxing is helping with that? I dont' know. 2
JulieM Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) The instruction for mission presidents not to pay tithing on the money they receive from the church (stipend I guess?) is kind of interesting but maybe that's standard? Here is the quote: "Do not pay tithing on any funds you receive from the Church." Edited January 24, 2017 by JulieM
bluebell Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, JulieM said: The instruction for mission presidents not to pay tithing on the money they receive from the church (stipend I guess?) is kind of interesting but maybe that's standard? Here is the quote: "Do not pay tithing on any funds you receive from the Church." I know it's standard for missionaries. Every month we received money on our debit cards and were specifically told not to pay tithing on it because it had already been tithed. 3
JulieM Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bluebell said: I know it's standard for missionaries. Every month we received money on our debit cards and were specifically told not to pay tithing on it because it had already been tithed. But where does the money come from that pays the Mission President's salary/stipend/expenses? Does this mean that the 15 don't pay tithing on their salary from the church either? Edited January 24, 2017 by JulieM 1
bluebell Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, JulieM said: But where does the money come from that pays the Missioj President's salary/stipend/expenses? I don't know. I've never known any well enough to ask. It would be interesting to find out.
rongo Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, bluebell said: I don't know. I've never known any well enough to ask. It would be interesting to find out. I suspect that the Brethren don't pay tithing on their salaries as well (but don't actually know for sure, either). Based on the fact that mission presidents are told not to pay on theirs. That's interesting to me. I would feel bad not paying on my income, even if told not to. It's like when my parents told me not to pay on gift money because "tithing had already been paid on it." My thought was (and still is), "Yeah, you paid on it when you earned it. But when I'm given it, it then becomes my income." 3
rockpond Posted January 24, 2017 Author Posted January 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, JulieM said: The instruction for mission presidents not to pay tithing on the money they receive from the church (stipend I guess?) is kind of interesting but maybe that's standard? Here is the quote: "Do not pay tithing on any funds you receive from the Church." I know that when my dad was serving as a mission president he was still receiving a pension from the corporation he had retired from. He paid tithing on that money (which was used to maintain his primary residence, vehicles left behind, etc). He basically looked at the funds given him from the church as reimbursement for the added expenses of serving as mission president.
JulieM Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, rockpond said: I know that when my dad was serving as a mission president he was still receiving a pension from the corporation he had retired from. He paid tithing on that money (which was used to maintain his primary residence, vehicles left behind, etc). He basically looked at the funds given him from the church as reimbursement for the added expenses of serving as mission president. I think they get more than just "reimbursement". When you read through all they get money for, it really is quite a bit actually. Then their kids go to college for free and missions paid for too, don't they? Edited January 24, 2017 by JulieM 1
Duncan Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, rockpond said: I know that when my dad was serving as a mission president he was still receiving a pension from the corporation he had retired from. He paid tithing on that money (which was used to maintain his primary residence, vehicles left behind, etc). He basically looked at the funds given him from the church as reimbursement for the added expenses of serving as mission president. Where did he serve? I don't envy Mission Presidents, that's a very demanding calling 1
Duncan Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, JulieM said: I think they get more than just "reimbursement". When you read through all they get money for, it really is quite a bit actually. Then their kids go to college for free and missions paid for too, don't they? If they have any that need it. Some do and some don't. This Mission President has his adult kids all up and out whereas we had one here in the early he brought all 7 kids with him
JulieM Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Here's the link to the mission president's financial benefits: https://www.docdroid.net/GZn8JbC/mission-president-financial-benefits-infographic.pdf.html 1
Popular Post The Nehor Posted January 24, 2017 Popular Post Posted January 24, 2017 Man, I was hoping for a 1988 memo on travel expenses in Africa. 7
Traela Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 25 minutes ago, JulieM said: I think they get more than just "reimbursement". When you read through all they get money for, it really is quite a bit actually. Then their kids go to college for free and missions paid for too, don't they? Missions are paid for "if requested"- probably the assumption is that if the parents were planning to pay out of their current paychecks, those funds aren't available anymore. Same for college, although in that case there is a limit that might cover community college, state school, or BYU-I, but that's about it. The only school that is fully covered is for minors, I assume because in some areas all schools require tuition and/or uniforms. 1
JulieM Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Traela said: Missions are paid for "if requested"- probably the assumption is that if the parents were planning to pay out of their current paychecks, those funds aren't available anymore. Same for college, although in that case there is a limit that might cover community college, state school, or BYU-I, but that's about it. The only school that is fully covered is for minors, I assume because in some areas all schools require tuition and/or uniforms. Thanks. It's also interesting to see that their married children get health coverage benefits paid and health expenses paid if requested (up to age 26). And maids are paid for too...(unless they serve in Brazil or the Philippines for some reason ) 2
Duncan Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, The Nehor said: Man, I was hoping for a 1988 memo on travel expenses in Africa. the Church Archives has "General Authority Dental Records, 1911-1940" MS 26436 and for a small fee you can request them! 3
Scott Lloyd Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, rongo said: I suspect that the Brethren don't pay tithing on their salaries as well (but don't actually know for sure, either). Based on the fact that mission presidents are told not to pay on theirs. That's interesting to me. I would feel bad not paying on my income, even if told not to. It's like when my parents told me not to pay on gift money because "tithing had already been paid on it." My thought was (and still is), "Yeah, you paid on it when you earned it. But when I'm given it, it then becomes my income." The living expense you receive as a missionary is not a wage or salary for services rendered. It is a donation to further the work of the Lord, just as you are donating your time and service to the work of the Lord. That makes total sense to me. Edited January 24, 2017 by Scott Lloyd 1
JulieM Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Scott Lloyd said: The living expense you're receive as a missionary is not a wage or salary for services rendered. It is a donation to further the work of the Lord, just as you are donating your time and service to the work of the Lord. That makes total sense to me. Are mission presidents paid from the same fund, do you know?
Scott Lloyd Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, JulieM said: Are mission presidents paid from the same fund, do you know? I don't. We donate $400 a month for our missionary son. That's the standard amount for all missionaries, regardless of where they serve. The donations go into a fund from which each missionary receives a standard monthly amount, presumably based on the cost of living in the mission where he or she is serving.
bluebell Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 53 minutes ago, JulieM said: Thanks. It's also interesting to see that their married children get health coverage benefits paid and health expenses paid if requested (up to age 26). And maids are paid for too...(unless they serve in Brazil or the Philippines for some reason ) A lot of the missionaries I knew who served out of the US had maids and sometimes even cooks. I was always a little jealous. They even did their laundry!
cinepro Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, bluebell said: A lot of the missionaries I knew who served out of the US had maids and sometimes even cooks. I was always a little jealous. They even did their laundry! I wouldn't be jealous of anyone serving in an area where they could afford a maid or a cook. 3
JulieM Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, bluebell said: A lot of the missionaries I knew who served out of the US had maids and sometimes even cooks. I was always a little jealous. They even did their laundry! Which is fine, IMO if they can afford that on what is given them (out of what their parents have paid each month for their mission or whoever is paying). But who is paying for the maids, cellphones for their teens, etc., for the mission presidents? That is my question, but maybe no on knows where the funds come out of?
Popular Post JLHPROF Posted January 25, 2017 Popular Post Posted January 25, 2017 Wow. So thrilling. Wake me up when one of these documents is an uncanonized revelation, or a record of a previously unknown ordinance, or secret proof the GA's are still practicing underground polygamy, or that President Monson is planning to run for President like Joseph Smith. Meanwhile I'll go back to reading the Council of 50 minutes. At least for boring minutes they are of some historical significance. 7
bluebell Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, cinepro said: I wouldn't be jealous of anyone serving in an area where they could afford a maid or a cook. They didn't pay them, the church did, but I know what you mean.
bluebell Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, JulieM said: Which is fine, IMO if they can afford that on what is given them (out of what their parents have paid each month for their mission or whoever is paying). But who is paying for the maids, cellphones for their teens, etc., for the mission presidents? That is my question, but maybe no on knows where the funds come out of? They didn't pay the maids, the church did. I think it was mostly to provide the women with jobs. 1
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