canard78 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664336/In-our-opinion-Donald-Trump-should-resign-his-candidacy.html?pg=all If he doesn't, will this see Utah return it's electoral vote for a democrat for the first time in... (however long it has been)? Sorry... politics and religion probably don't mix. So instead my question bringing it back to Mormonism... is this the closest the church will go to making any kind of comment on this year's election? Presumably there's not going to be a similar statement from anyone in the church?? Given the church's ownership of the paper, how close does this come to the church making a statement? 2 Link to comment
JAHS Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 At the end of the article: "Editor's note: The Deseret News, although owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is not an official publication of the church. Editorial opinions reflect the views of the Deseret News." "The Church" is not making any kind of comment or statement; those who are running the Deseret News are. 3 Link to comment
Gray Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Great editorial, they made some very salient points Link to comment
Popular Post Robert F. Smith Posted October 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 hour ago, canard78 said: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664336/In-our-opinion-Donald-Trump-should-resign-his-candidacy.html?pg=all If he doesn't, will this see Utah return it's electoral vote for a democrat for the first time in... (however long it has been)? Sorry... politics and religion probably don't mix. So instead my question bringing it back to Mormonism... is this the closest the church will go to making any kind of comment on this year's election? Presumably there's not going to be a similar statement from anyone in the church?? Given the church's ownership of the paper, how close does this come to the church making a statement? My cousin Spencer Cox (Lt Gov of Utah) and Mitt Romney have long made it clear that they would not vote for the Donald. And now Governor Herbert and Rep Jason Chaffetz have joined the growing crowd of abstainers. Immorality and hypocrisy on that scale simply sticks in the Mormon craw, and I'll wager that the Brethren said something to the editor. 6 Link to comment
Traela Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 If Utah could unite enough to give its electoral votes to a third-party candidate, things could get really interesting. 3 Link to comment
oremites Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 51 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Immorality and hypocrisy on that scale simply sticks in the Mormon craw, and I'll wager that the Brethren said something to the editor. In that case, when can we expect the editorial demanding Hillary resign her candidacy? 4 Link to comment
Calm Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 It is her husband that has the sexual immorality issues. 3 Link to comment
longview Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Calm said: It is her husband that has the sexual immorality issues. Hillary has serious issues concerning: making savage attacks on various "bimboes" and alleged rape victims (such as Juanita Broaderick) deliberately setting up an email server to hide her criminal dealings from Federal accountability offices funded various "cliques" among Islamic radicals to destabilize the governments of Egypt, Libya and Syria running a foundation that only gives 5% to a few causes but pays obscene salaries to favored people (such as Chelsea, see http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/chelsea-clinton-net-worth-house-job-salary-wedding-cost-speaking-fee-husband-marc-mezvinsky/ 3 Link to comment
JAHS Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) "Paul Edwards, editor and publisher of the Deseret News, said he didn't run the editorial past leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. "Our editorial team takes full responsibility for this editorial," he told The Salt Lake Tribune. "There was absolutely no consultation with the church about our decision to take this step." http://www.sltrib.com/home/4446222-155/mormon-church-owned-deseret-news-tells-trump Edited October 10, 2016 by JAHS 4 Link to comment
hagoth7 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 3 hours ago, Calm said: It is her husband that has the sexual immorality issues. ? Oremites mentioned nothing about sexuality. 2 Link to comment
bsjkki Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Calm said: It is her husband that has the sexual immorality issues. Sexual assault and rape are more than sexual immorality issues and she covered for him and intimidated the victims. I find that highly immoral. They should both drop out. The media always covers for the dems and downplays their scandals. I think the Deseret News should have called for them both to drop out. The Deseret News should demand a high level of integrity from both parties and clearly, neither of these candidates have that. Edited October 9, 2016 by bsjkki Tying the comment back to the op 2 Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 6 hours ago, oremites said: In that case, when can we expect the editorial demanding Hillary resign her candidacy? Maybe you believe that all candidates are equivalent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFNl9sWrQbs . Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 3 hours ago, JAHS said: "Paul Edwards, editor and publisher of the Deseret News, said he didn't run the editorial past leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. "Our editorial team takes full responsibility for this editorial," he told The Salt Lake Tribune. "There was absolutely no consultation with the church about our decision to take this step." Deseret News editor: Anti-Trump editorial was a ‘moral’ issue, but did not come from Mormon leaders I stand corrected. Thanks. Link to comment
Calm Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 2 hours ago, bsjkki said: Sexual assault and rape are more than sexual immorality issues and she covered for him and intimidated the victims. I find that highly immoral. They should both drop out. Not disagreeing. Link to comment
Calm Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 3 hours ago, hagoth7 said: ? Oremites mentioned nothing about sexuality. The editorial did. I was being sarcastic though. Link to comment
rodheadlee Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 5 ¶ Then said I, Woe is me! for I am aundone; because I am a man of bunclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips 4 Link to comment
Jeanne Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 11 hours ago, bsjkki said: Sexual assault and rape are more than sexual immorality issues and she covered for him and intimidated the victims. I find that highly immoral. They should both drop out. The media always covers for the dems and downplays their scandals. I think the Deseret News should have called for them both to drop out. The Deseret News should demand a high level of integrity from both parties and clearly, neither of these candidates have that. I so agree. The defamation and threats Hillary made to Bill's conquests were way out of line and far from being supportive of women. 2 Link to comment
Sleeper Cell Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 11 hours ago, bsjkki said: They should both drop out. ... The Deseret News should demand a high level of integrity from both parties and clearly, neither of these candidates have that. At this point, I would settle for a low level of integrity. I didn’t even bother to watch their first debate. What value is a debate between two candidates, if you don’t believe a single word that either says? I remember a time when parents would say: “we may not have much, but someday, our son may grow up to be president“. After this, I suspect that many parents will pray that their children do not Link to comment
bsjkki Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Sleeper Cell said: At this point, I would settle for a low level of integrity. I didn’t even bother to watch their first debate. What value is a debate between two candidates, if you don’t believe a single word that either says? I remember a time when parents would say: “we may not have much, but someday, our son may grow up to be president“. After this, I suspect that many parents will pray that their children do not 35 minutes ago, Jeanne said: I so agree. The defamation and threats Hillary made to Bill's conquests were way out of line and far from being supportive of women. Thank you for this. I'm very discouraged. I don't like Trump at all but I also feel frustrated with the hypocrisy on the left. They vilify Trump (appropriate) but turn a blind eye to Hillary and Bill (inappropriate). LDS leaders warn and refuse to back Trump (appropriate) but do they then believe Hillary is a more moral option? I just don't get it. One candidate is being supported in their sins and one is being called to repent. Where does the true evil lie? *Just to be clear--by LDS leaders, I meant politicians and editorial boards that are lds--not our actual leaders. Edited October 9, 2016 by bsjkki grammar 3 Link to comment
thesometimesaint Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 16 hours ago, longview said: Hillary has serious issues concerning: making savage attacks on various "bimboes" and alleged rape victims (such as Juanita Broaderick) deliberately setting up an email server to hide her criminal dealings from Federal accountability offices funded various "cliques" among Islamic radicals to destabilize the governments of Egypt, Libya and Syria running a foundation that only gives 5% to a few causes but pays obscene salaries to favored people (such as Chelsea, see http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/chelsea-clinton-net-worth-house-job-salary-wedding-cost-speaking-fee-husband-marc-mezvinsky/ So when the Church excommunicates the man for adultery its the wife's fault. It wasn't a crime to do such. Just ask the FBI. CFR That is an outright lie. Link to comment
mnn727 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Vote for someone vulgar or vote for liar and thief that should be in prison for Treason -- your choice. Link to comment
thesometimesaint Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Doing sexual assault like Trump claims to have committed is a criminal offense. BTW I'm no fan of Hilary. Link to comment
Tacenda Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 2 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: So when the Church excommunicates the man for adultery its the wife's fault. It wasn't a crime to do such. Just ask the FBI. CFR That is an outright lie. I wish I knew the truth. CFR indeed! Link to comment
Jeanne Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 2 hours ago, mnn727 said: Vote for someone vulgar or vote for liar and thief that should be in prison for Treason -- your choice. For me, as much as I dislike Mr. Trump, Hillary has blood on her hands. I can't handle that either. 1 Link to comment
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