notHagoth7 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I will likely always consider myself Mormon (among a number of other things). No complaints about LDS history/doctrine. Not offended by anyone LDS. However, for crystal-clear identification of what/who I am: I'm not LDS. The specifics are private. No stories/explanations will be offered. But from here on, nobody should mistake my occasional input (offered here and/or elsewhere) as anything but outside input...from a neighbor. 1 Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Fine by me. A Jew is still a Jew even if thrust out of his synagogue, and even if his parents sit shiva upon him. He is still a Jew by descent, culture, and heritage. So too with the Mormon ethnicity. After all, Mormonism is a way of life in addition to being a religion. There are lots of Mormons who are not Saints of the Latter-days. The Jews have a saying: "It's hard to be a Jew." We Mormons might just adopt that saying for ourselves. We have a tough row to hoe of our own free will and choice. 3 Link to comment
Glenn101 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Appreciate the clarification. It is good, it helps, to have friendly friends. Glenn 1 Link to comment
Rajah Manchou Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 5 hours ago, notHagoth7 said: I will likely always consider myself Mormon (among a number of other things). No complaints about LDS history/doctrine. Not offended by anyone LDS. However, for crystal-clear identification of what/who I am: I'm not LDS. The specifics are private. No stories/explanations will be offered. But from here on, nobody should mistake my occasional input (offered here and/or elsewhere) as anything but outside input...from a neighbor. Thanks for sharing your view. I think it is important to understand where we all sit on the spectrum as we discuss ideas. I am also a 'non-denominational' Mormon 2 Link to comment
notHagoth7 Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 5 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Fine by me. A Jew is still a Jew even if thrust out of his synagogue, and even if his parents sit shiva upon him.... Yep. And double yep. 5 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: ...The Jews have a saying: "It's hard to be a Jew." We Mormons might just adopt that saying for ourselves. We have a tough row to hoe of our own free will and choice. Understood. Rumor has it that it can also be a challenge to forego the slipstream advantage of such things as community, paths blazed generations ago, etc. 1 Link to comment
The Nehor Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I am human but not homo sapien. The details are private. 4 Link to comment
notHagoth7 Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) I am human but not homo sapien. The details are private. ? ? ? ? Edited October 5, 2016 by notHagoth7 Link to comment
notHagoth7 Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: I am human but not homo sapien. The details are private. Unclear why you're hiding your Hobbit heritage. However, for clarity, *my* reason for not going into detail is out of respect for specific board guidelines. (Plus there are some things that, for the benefit of others, are best not shared.) Edited October 5, 2016 by notHagoth7 Link to comment
Jeanne Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I respect you and your privacy very much. But may I speak a fact....THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY! Okay..I feel better now. 1 Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: I am human but not homo sapien. The details are private. Me too! For more information consult the King Follett discourse, the Adam-God doctrine, and the temple. 2 Link to comment
notHagoth7 Posted October 5, 2016 Author Share Posted October 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, Jeanne said: I respect you and your privacy very much. But may I speak a fact....THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY! Okay..I feel better now. Thank you. Likewise. Apologies for driving you nuts. (My drive is, by definition, always a *very* short one. ) Glad that you feel better now. 1 Link to comment
Garden Girl Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 On 10/4/2016 at 3:31 PM, notHagoth7 said: I will likely always consider myself Mormon (among a number of other things). No complaints about LDS history/doctrine. Not offended by anyone LDS. However, for crystal-clear identification of what/who I am: I'm not LDS. The specifics are private. No stories/explanations will be offered. But from here on, nobody should mistake my occasional input (offered here and/or elsewhere) as anything but outside input...from a neighbor. I'm actually sorry to hear this nH7... but of course respect your choice and your privacy, and simply and sincerely send you all good wishes... I've enjoyed your posts, and will continue to do so I'm sure. GG 2 Link to comment
Tistanbul Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Actually I am a member and consider myself LDS but not particularly Mormon or enfatuated with "Mormonism" which I take to be "ism"s which may well have been added into the teachings or doctrine by man-kind (even if priests or leaders with good intentions). Care should be taken to differentiate between inspiration, personal statements, and scenario speculation. For example, many or most Mormons state that Jesus the Christ was the "Jehovah" of the OT - and go stumbling on from there into more speculations often pronounced with great gusto and "certainty" - but Jehovah was and is just a modern-day academic formulation of "YHWH" which is more honestly translated as "Lord" or "I am who I am" - there is no scriptural pronouncement making "Jehovah" (YHWH) to mean Jesus the Christ even as pre-mortal spirit. So I claim to be seeking and open to inspiration and personal revelation as a progressing LDS member - but not particular a "Mormon" "Mormonizing" ... Link to comment
JLHPROF Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 9 hours ago, Tistanbul said: Actually I am a member and consider myself LDS but not particularly Mormon or enfatuated with "Mormonism" which I take to be "ism"s which may well have been added into the teachings or doctrine by man-kind (even if priests or leaders with good intentions). Care should be taken to differentiate between inspiration, personal statements, and scenario speculation. For example, many or most Mormons state that Jesus the Christ was the "Jehovah" of the OT - and go stumbling on from there into more speculations often pronounced with great gusto and "certainty" - but Jehovah was and is just a modern-day academic formulation of "YHWH" which is more honestly translated as "Lord" or "I am who I am" - there is no scriptural pronouncement making "Jehovah" (YHWH) to mean Jesus the Christ even as pre-mortal spirit. So I claim to be seeking and open to inspiration and personal revelation as a progressing LDS member - but not particular a "Mormon" "Mormonizing" ... Jehovah didn't become Christ in Mormon theology until near the turn of the twentieth century. In the days of Brigham Young they were considered two separate beings. Christ - a premortal spirit in the OT, and Jehovah/YHWH - a resurrected God. Link to comment
The Nehor Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I have to admit that I find the idea of being LDS which, pretty much by default, means accepting Restorationism, revelation, and a restored gospel and then deciding that you do not actually need all that revelation and prophet stuff that came with it. Seems to me like being a devoted tennis player but hating Tennis racquets. Link to comment
sunstoned Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 On 10/4/2016 at 10:53 PM, notHagoth7 said: Yep. And double yep. Understood. Rumor has it that it can also be a challenge to forego the slipstream advantage of such things as community, paths blazed generations ago, etc. Sometimes it is hard to be a Mormon. It also can be difficult being ex-LDS living in Utah. 2 Link to comment
telnetd Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 On 05/10/2016 at 4:56 PM, The Nehor said: I am human but not homo sapien. The details are private. Do you mean you are a human 'god in embryo'? Gail Link to comment
thesometimesaint Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 hour ago, telnetd said: Do you mean you are a human 'god in embryo'? Gail Homo Sapiens just means Wise Man. Our species is Homo Sapiens Sapiens "Wise Wise Man". Nehor is just being humble. 1 Link to comment
hagoth7 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 8 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: Homo Sapiens just means Wise Man. Our species is Homo Sapiens Sapiens "Wise Wise Man". Nehor is just being humble. Could be. Or, Nehor is simply posing with an online male persona, but is in real life a Femina Sapiens. ?? Link to comment
The Nehor Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 On 10/8/2016 at 9:39 AM, telnetd said: Do you mean you are a human 'god in embryo'? Gail "When someone asks you if you're a God you say YES!" 2 Link to comment
mnn727 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 10/5/2016 at 3:56 PM, The Nehor said: I am human but not homo sapien. The details are private. We've often wondered about that. 1 Link to comment
flameburns623 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 On Tuesday, October 04, 2016 at 5:31 PM, notHagoth7 said: I will likely always consider myself Mormon (among a number of other things). No complaints about LDS history/doctrine. Not offended by anyone LDS. However, for crystal-clear identification of what/who I am: I'm not LDS. The specifics are private. No stories/explanations will be offered. But from here on, nobody should mistake my occasional input (offered here and/or elsewhere) as anything but outside input...from a neighbor. My automatic assumption, especially given that you cite issues involving board rules, is that you are implying that you are a Mormon sectarian, likely of one of the plural marriage persuasions. To which I respond, "Ho, hum", so long as you're not marrying underage girls. But, you indicated you decline to actually say more than you have. So, my speculations are rather moot. Be blessed, and hope to see you make many constructive and less-cryptic contributions to the Board. Link to comment
hagoth7 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 9 hours ago, flameburns623 said: My automatic assumption, especially given that you cite issues involving board rules, is that you are implying that you are a Mormon sectarian... ? Sectarian. There's a broad spectrum of potential meanings: factional, separatist, partisan, parti pris; doctrinaire, dogmatic, extreme, fanatical, rigid, inflexible, bigoted, hidebound, narrow-minded. Without further clarification as to your intended meaning, I won't pretend to know how to best respond to your assertion. ...likely of one of the plural marriage persuasions. Have lived with 3 cats and one dog all at the same time, if that counts for anything. But to the best of my knowledge, I was never married to more than one woman. To which I respond, "Ho, hum", so long as you're not marrying underage girls. Was 21 underage? (I certainly didn't consider such a union ho hum). (Meanwhile, as memory serves, my parents were both *much* younger when they married - some might even say "underage". Meanwhile, the song they sang together for decades on family roadtrips was "They tried to tell us we're too young...".) But, you indicated you decline to actually say more than you have. So, my speculations are rather moot. I hope I've responded sufficiently for your needs. Be blessed, and hope to see you make many constructive and less-cryptic contributions to the Board. Thank you. Be blessed as well. As to being less cryptic, a gift of Christopher for you: Link to comment
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