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7 hours ago, JAHS said:

But we are not talking technicalities here; rather important doctrinal principles. God can not condone sin. Homosexual relations is a sin. Same sex marriage is a sin and always will be. The man who was attacked did not commit any sin.  Our prophets who speak for God have been inspired by Him to treat the situation the way they have done. We can still love and support LGBT individuals without condoning the sin or changing important doctrinal principles.
 

I did not know how open you were or were not towards making your own judgment call in this matter. Now that I do, I'm not going to ask that you go against your religious convictions. 

 

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california boy Grand Master

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41 minutes ago, Unds1953 said:

It is really hard to communicate with LGBT people. My sister is a trans and I find it very difficult to understand her feelings. She might feel very hurt and offended on silly things. Now she wants to undergo an FTM top surgery in Mississauga. She is so adamant about it. She gets pissed off easily and it is very difficult to change her mind.

It is very hard for me to understand the desire to change one's sex as well.  But what I do understand is the courage it would take to do something like that. It must be an overwhelming issue in their lives.  I once saw a movie called "Normal".  It is about a guy who worked in a very macho work environment and how painful it was for him to make the transition.  If you really want to try and understand what your sister is dealing with, I would highly recommend watching the film.  My only comment after watching that film is to give thanks every day that i only have to deal with being gay.  I just don't think I would have the strength to deal with being transexual.

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HappyJackWagon Grand Master

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2 hours ago, Unds1953 said:

It is really hard to communicate with LGBT people. My sister is a trans and I find it very difficult to understand her feelings. She might feel very hurt and offended on silly things. Now she wants to undergo an FTM top surgery in Mississauga. She is so adamant about it. She gets pissed off easily and it is very difficult to change her mind.

I don't find it hard to communicate with LGBT people.

I think it helps when we are willing to talk and treat them like we would anyone else and not try to change them. What you consider a "silly thing" may be very important to your sister. Try to understand, not change. My guess is she'd say it's really difficult to change your mind as well.

Atheist Mormon Mentor

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How to communicate love to LGBT members?

The best response would be is totally ignore them, treat them like any other member........

Leave their gender, sexual preferences, appearances out of your head.....They have been always part of humanity. We treat them as we'd like to be treated.

Daniel2 Grand Master

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3 hours ago, Unds1953 said:

It is really hard to communicate with LGBT people. My sister is a trans and I find it very difficult to understand her feelings. She might feel very hurt and offended on silly things. Now she wants to undergo an FTM top surgery in Mississauga. She is so adamant about it. She gets pissed off easily and it is very difficult to change her mind.

I think communication can often be challenging, especially regarding issues that are as deeply-held and fundamental to our personal sense of self, religious views, gender, and sexuality.

What aspects of your communication with her are most difficult?

What types of communication have resulted in your comment that "it is very difficult to change her mind"?  Can you describe or give us some examples?

Tacenda Grand Master

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Just watched a youtube of someone standing in front of the Brigham City temple.  Apparently some businesses nearby with flags, have them flying at half mast.  But not the temple, it was at full mast.  I'm pretty sure it was just a mistake, or does anyone know if flags anywhere else are at full mast?

Jeanne Grand Master

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2 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Just watched a youtube of someone standing in front of the Brigham City temple.  Apparently some businesses nearby with flags, have them flying at half mast.  But not the temple, it was at full mast.  I'm pretty sure it was just a mistake, or does anyone know if flags anywhere else are at full mast?

It should be half mast (IMO)  These gay people are US citizens first and foremost.  Huh...I will check things out around here,

Maestrophil Experienced

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On June 13, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Unds1953 said:

It is really hard to communicate with LGBT people. My sister is a trans and I find it very difficult to understand her feelings. She might feel very hurt and offended on silly things. Now she wants to undergo an FTM top surgery in Mississauga. She is so adamant about it. She gets pissed off easily and it is very difficult to change her mind.

I have this same problem.  I will not treat my gay friends any differently - yet one gay friend in particular singles me out because he knows I am LDS, and seems to like to try and corner me and get aggressive.  He will ask me point blank if my moral view is that Homosexual Sex is a sin...  I try and divert by saying I respect all people's rights, I don't judge by sexuality, and I even support equal rights for gay couples - but he gets angry and insists that I am still a bigot as long I believe that God does not condone Homosexual Intercourse.  What to do?

jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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1 minute ago, Maestrophil said:

I have this same problem.  I will not treat my gay friends any differently - yet one gay friend in particular singles me out because he knows I am LDS, and seems to like to try and corner me and get aggressive.  He will ask me point blank if my moral view is that Homosexual Sex is a sin...  I try and divert by saying I respect all people's rights, I don't judge by sexuality, and I even support equal rights for gay couples - but he gets angry and insists that I am still a bigot as long I believe that God does not condone Homosexual Intercourse.  What to do?

Sounds your friend has a chip on his shoulder. What kind of person would demand such specific acceptance from another? If it was me, the next time this person asked that question, I'd just say, "We've already discussed this before, and continuing to do so is a waste of time." If he persists, say it again, as many times as needed. If that doesn't work, walk away.

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Calm Grand Master

Calm

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4 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Just watched a youtube of someone standing in front of the Brigham City temple.  Apparently some businesses nearby with flags, have them flying at half mast.  But not the temple, it was at full mast.  I'm pretty sure it was just a mistake, or does anyone know if flags anywhere else are at full mast?

Flag is at half mast at Provo Center.  Just drove by it specifically to check on my way to an appt.  light wasn't long enough to take a picture and I won't be going home that way.

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Calm Grand Master

Calm

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1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

Just curious, I wonder if it's flown half mast at the state capitol.  

According to my first link which shows all government flag status by state, yes.

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jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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I was thinking about some words that were recently used here in reference to same-sex attraction and, in particular, same-sex marriage: "perversion," "sick," and "abomination" were used, as I recall. Surely we can register our disagreement with such things without using inflammatory and contemptuous language.

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Calm Grand Master

Calm

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1 hour ago, Jeanne said:

It should be half mast (IMO)  These gay people are US citizens first and foremost.  Huh...I will check things out around here,

There are people who die every day in the US.  I don't know, it just troubles me that this may convey the feeling to loved ones of those who die without this kind of recognition that their loved ones' deaths were not as tragic.  

I wonder if there are specfic rules for when this applies or if it is a gut decision.  I would prefer the first.

CV75 Grand Master

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5 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I was thinking about some words that were recently used here in reference to same-sex attraction and, in particular, same-sex marriage: "perversion," "sick," and "abomination" were used, as I recall. Surely we can register our disagreement with such things without using inflammatory and contemptuous language.

Personally, I only use the word "perversion" in a very specific (scriptural) way, in one-one-one conversation, and never about same-sex attraction.

jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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Just now, CV75 said:

Personally, I only use the word "perversion" in a very specific (scriptural) way, in one-one-one conversation, and never about same-sex attraction.

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just that I had heard these words recently here and was wishing we could tone down the rhetoric. I understand that church doctrine is that these behaviors are sinful, but do we really need to label someone's marriage an abomination? Does that help anyone?

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CV75 Grand Master

CV75

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2 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just that I had heard these words recently here and was wishing we could tone down the rhetoric. I understand that church doctrine is that these behaviors are sinful, but do we really need to label someone's marriage an abomination? Does that help anyone?

It depends on the context, the relationship between the conversing individuals, and the honesty employed. The use of the word isn't automatically rhetoric.

jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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3 minutes ago, CV75 said:

It depends on the context, the relationship between the conversing individuals, and the honesty employed. The use of the word isn't automatically rhetoric.

It was when I saw it being used here. Either way, I would hope we could be a little more circumspect. Maybe that's not possible. 

CV75 Grand Master

CV75

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9 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

It was when I saw it being used here. Either way, I would hope we could be a little more circumspect. Maybe that's not possible. 

I'm referring to what I saw used here (not that  I see everything, I'm not a moderator...). I'm not sure who isn't being circumspect that isn't moderated.

jkwilliams Grand Master

jkwilliams

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Just now, CV75 said:

I'm referring to what I saw used here (not that  I see everything, I'm not a moderator...). I'm not sure who isn't being circumspect that isn't moderated.

Just a gentle suggestion. 

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Jeanne Grand Master

Jeanne

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1 hour ago, Calm said:

There are people who die every day in the US.  I don't know, it just troubles me that this may convey the feeling to loved ones of those who die without this kind of recognition that their loved ones' deaths were not as tragic.  

I wonder if there are specfic rules for when this applies or if it is a gut decision.  I would prefer the first.

I understand what you are saying..but a lot of deaths aren't as political or directed so pointedly to US Citizens.  The flag, I am sure, was half mast with a lot of the deaths in California and of course for 9-11.  I did notice today that my store flag was half mast and so was Macey's.  This is not just a hate crime..but a USA thing too. But i agree..that any citizen that is killed for being a citizen..gay...mormon.whatever should have the same respect.

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