The Nehor Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The word gets more ridiculous every time he says it. Link to comment
rongo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Like each time Elder Bednar said "pickle?" 1 Link to comment
MorningStar Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Haha!!! At least he acknowledged that it's not a word. Link to comment
rongo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Same talk. My wife did a double take when he said, "deterred." She thought he was talking about prepping shrimp . . . Link to comment
why me Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The word gets more ridiculous every time he says it. It certainly is a word coined within mormonism. I never heard it used outside the church context. Much better to use reflect on the scriptures than ponder. But what to do. Mormonism does have its own vocabulary. Link to comment
bluebell Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Why is reflect better than ponder? 2 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It certainly is a word coined within mormonism. I never heard it used outside the church context. Much better to use reflect on the scriptures than ponder. But what to do. Mormonism does have its own vocabulary.It's "ponderize" that Nehor is criticizing, not ponder. Ponder is a perfectly legitimate, serviceable and recognized word in the English language. By no means is it exclusive to Mormonism. "Ponderize," on the other hand, appears to be Brother Durrant's own coinage. 2 Link to comment
rodheadlee Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 To state the obvious ponder+ memorize = ponderize 4 Link to comment
why me Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) It's "ponderize" that Nehor is criticizing, not ponder. Ponder is a perfectly legitimate, serviceable and recognized word in the English language. By no means is it exclusive to Mormonism. "Ponderize," on the other hand, appears to be Brother Durrant's own coinage.But it comes from ponder. It is a word that is used quite often in mormon conferences. It is old fashion. And it seems to mean to think about something carefully. But to reflect is much more active and modern. To reflect can mean to analyze, to evaluate and to think carefully about something. To ponder life seems slow thought but to reflect on life seems to go deeper. But ponderize is a case in point---it has no meaning. I have not heard it used outside of mormonism. John Kerry also invented a word: deconflict and deconfliction when referring to syria and russia. Edited October 4, 2015 by why me Link to comment
filovirus Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Reflect + memorize = reflecterize!!!Ponderize does have a better ring to it. 3 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Semi-serious question: I wonder how translators deal with antics such as this? Do they say, "I could translate it directly, but then it wouldn't be funny"; and/or do they say, "Well, that's funny in English, but it wouldn't be funny in [insert-language-here], so I'll just make up something that will get the desired reaction and attribute it to the speaker"? Edited October 4, 2015 by Kenngo1969 3 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Like each time Elder Bednar said "pickle?" Hey, I liked Elder Bednar's pickle talk! https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2007/04/ye-must-be-born-again?lang=eng Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) But it comes from ponder. It is a word that is used quite often in mormon conferences. It is old fashion. And it seems to mean to think about something carefully. But to reflect is much more active and modern. To reflect can mean to analyze, to evaluate and to think carefully about something. To ponder life seems slow thought but to reflect on life seems to go deeper. But ponderize is a case in point---it has no meaning. I have not heard it used outside of mormonism. John Kerry also invented a word: deconflict and deconfliction when referring to syria and russia.I don't see it as old fashioned. Not at all. If words are dated or have fallen out of general usage, a dictionary will often indicate that the word or its application is "archaic." I think you would be hard-pressed to find a dictionary that designates ponder as "archaic." Of course, I am open to being proven wrong on that point. Should be fairly easy to do -- if, indeed, I am wrong. But instead, I think this is more a matter of your being hypercritical of your own culture and milieu, as some Mormons are wont to be. If you prefer one word over another, by all means use it. But let us not discard a perfectly good word. A multiplicity of terms from which to choose helps give English its richness as a language. Edited October 4, 2015 by Scott Lloyd 3 Link to comment
rongo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Hey, I liked Elder Bednar's pickle talk! https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2007/04/ye-must-be-born-again?lang=engI like it, too. Hearing him say "pickle" 247 times just sounded silly, though. Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) To state the obvious ponder+ memorize = ponderizeI guess it should have been obvious, but I confess that hadn't occurred to me. The coinage does make more sense to me now. Thank you. I get the impression Brother Durrant, (who was a basketball star when I was at BYU, and whom, more recently, I have met and conversed with, as I cover the Sunday School general presidency) is given to clever turns-of-phrase, as is his father, George Durrant, a popular BYU professor and speaker of yesteryear. Edited October 4, 2015 by Scott Lloyd Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) I like it, too. Hearing him say "pickle" 247 times just sounded silly, though.It is a word that sounds inherently silly, as some do. Edited October 4, 2015 by Scott Lloyd Link to comment
rongo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 "Pickel" means "pimple" in German. "Pinkeln" means "to urinate." Pinkelwurst is a sausage that was named, not from marinating in urine, but because of the dripping condensation as it hung in the smokehouse. It's not very good, and is eaten only once a year in the Bremen region (served with Gruenkohl), so we missionaries were served it multiple times as a special treat. Both words do sound silly in both languages, don't they? Link to comment
The Nehor Posted October 4, 2015 Author Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) It's "ponderize" that Nehor is criticizing, not ponder.Being ridiculous is not criticism. I am often ridiculous and do not think I am worth criticizing. Edited October 5, 2015 by The Nehor Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 "Pickel" means "pimple" in German. "Pinkeln" means "to urinate." Pinkelwurst is a sausage that was named, not from marinating in urine, but because of the dripping condensation as it hung in the smokehouse. It's not very good, and is eaten only once a year in the Bremen region (served with Gruenkohl), so we missionaries were served it multiple times as a special treat. Both words do sound silly in both languages, don't they? A funny-sounding word in Swedish is its word for strawberry: jordgubbe (pronounced "YORD-gooba"). Just thought I would throw that in. Swedish has been more on my mind of late, as my eldest son is in the MTC, bound for that country where I, myself, served many years ago. 2 Link to comment
MorningStar Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Strategery. "Lockbox." Link to comment
ERayR Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The word gets more ridiculous every time he says it. Maybe so but you notice. Link to comment
Tacenda Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) http://www.barnesandnoble.com/mobile/w/think-on-these-things-rev-david-e-morrison/1118142174Maybe he picked up the word here.Also saw this..http://www.ponderize.us/ Brother Durrant's son registered the URL prior to the talk. Is it a big deal? Some think so. Edited October 4, 2015 by Tacenda Link to comment
ksfisher Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I thought I was a fantastic talk. Link to comment
Avatar4321 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Maybe instead of getting upset on the Word he used, we should do what he was asking us to do 3 Link to comment
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