My "sermon" From Today: "rejoice"

[BookofMormonLuvr]

For those interested, here is the "sermon" I gave today @ the Zarahemla Restoration Branch in Independence, MO. We had the honor of having Bob Millet, BYU Prof. Keith Wilson, Richard (and Mrs.) Moore (Orem Institute Director), and BYU Associate Prof. Matthew Sherer (?)  Michael McKay join us (he taught he Adult Sunday School today). They were in town for the JWHA meeting. We also had the privilege of having a number of members of the Church of Jesus Christ (Monongahela, PA) join us. Without further adieu:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/74278139

 

Sermon starts about 20-25 minutes in.

Edited September 28, 2015 by BookofMormonLuvr

[hagoth7]

I enjoyed it very much. Thank you for sharing. :0)

[jwhitlock]

I gather that was you with the beard and the colored shirt.  Interesting stuff.

[BookofMormonLuvr]

I gather that was you with the beard and the colored shirt.  Interesting stuff.

'Twas me. I don't own a single white shirt. Yep, I'm a rebel.

[jwhitlock]

'Twas me. I don't own a single white shirt. Yep, I'm a rebel.

 

You've got to be a rebel in order to be a member of a restoration branch. 

[Tacenda]

Very surreal to hear scriptures in the D&C and BoM in a sermon from another church besides the CoJCoLDS.  Good job on the sermon, and thanks for sharing it. 

[jwhitlock]

For those interested, here is the "sermon" I gave today @ the Zarahemla Restoration Branch in Independence, MO. We had the honor of having Bob Millet, BYU Prof. Keith Wilson, Richard (and Mrs.) Moore (Orem Institute Director), and BYU Associate Prof. Matthew Sherer (?)  Michael McKay join us (he taught he Adult Sunday School today). They were in town for the JWHA meeting. We also had the privilege of having a number of members of the Church of Jesus Christ (Monongahela, PA) join us. Without further adieu:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/74278139

 

Sermon starts about 20-25 minutes in.

 

I know you explained a bit in your talk about why you personally keep the feast days. Could you expand a bit more about how the observance of those days, which were part of the law of Moses, still have value (from your viewpoint) despite being superseded by the new and everlasting covenant of the gospel when Christ came?

[BookofMormonLuvr]

I know you explained a bit in your talk about why you personally keep the feast days. Could you expand a bit more about how the observance of those days, which were part of the law of Moses, still have value (from your viewpoint) despite being superseded by the new and everlasting covenant of the gospel when Christ came?

The long and short of it is that I believe the above is a view inherited from Catholic/Protestant tradition. 

From my reading of scripture, the only things "done away with" were burnt offerings and sacrifices. The commandments and statutes found within the Law are eternal.

As specifically for the "Feasts" the LORD says they are "Mine", and they are the reminder of the coming of Jesus (Spring Feasts) and a rehearsal of His Second Coming (Fall Feasts). So, why in the world would I want to substitute pagan fertility festivals steeped in human sacrifice for the wonderful Appointed Times HE specifically gave us?

[hagoth7]

...From my reading of scripture, the only things "done away with" were burnt offerings and sacrifices. The commandments and statutes found within the Law are eternal....

 

Interesting. Are there indicators in the NT, and/or from Joseph, that helped lead you to this conclusion?

[BookofMormonLuvr]

Interesting. Are there indicators in the NT, and/or from Joseph, that helped lead you to this conclusion?

There are plenty of resources from Hebrew Roots ministries like Passion for Truth Ministries and 119 Ministries on the NT and the Law. But I believe the Book of Mormon lends to my position also. I will get you those scriptures later, as we are getting ready to leave for Day 3 of Tabernacles.

[jwhitlock]

The long and short of it is that I believe the above is a view inherited from Catholic/Protestant tradition. 

From my reading of scripture, the only things "done away with" were burnt offerings and sacrifices. The commandments and statutes found within the Law are eternal.

As specifically for the "Feasts" the LORD says they are "Mine", and they are the reminder of the coming of Jesus (Spring Feasts) and a rehearsal of His Second Coming (Fall Feasts). So, why in the world would I want to substitute pagan fertility festivals steeped in human sacrifice for the wonderful Appointed Times HE specifically gave us?

 

Actually, 3 Nephi chapter 9 expands on this in verses 17, 19-20.

 

The Law of Moses was fulfilled in Christ, as verse 17 says. In addition, sacrifices weren't done away with, but rather replaced per verses 19-20.

 

Do you have any indication that the Law of Moses, it's rituals and practices (outside of animal sacrifice) were intended by Christ to be continued?

[BookofMormonLuvr]

Actually, 3 Nephi chapter 9 expands on this in verses 17, 19-20.

 

The Law of Moses was fulfilled in Christ, as verse 17 says. In addition, sacrifices weren't done away with, but rather replaced per verses 19-20.

 

Do you have any indication that the Law of Moses, it's rituals and practices (outside of animal sacrifice) were intended by Christ to be continued?

v17 says it is fulfilled in Him. I agree with that, I just disagree with what the traditional interpretation of what "fulfilled" means. I don't believe it means that it is completely done away with.

v19-20 I believe lets us know what was done away with.

Because of those beliefs and my belief in the eternal nature of God's commandments, and the fact that not everything has yet been fulfilled, I believe we must keep the commandments found within the Law.

Just because someone steps in and pays your speeding ticket, does that mean you are free to speed from then on?

Each person has to be convicted in their own hearts. I don't expect to argue anyone into my views.

[jwhitlock]

v17 says it is fulfilled in Him. I agree with that, I just disagree with what the traditional interpretation of what "fulfilled" means. I don't believe it means that it is completely done away with.

v19-20 I believe lets us know what was done away with.

Because of those beliefs and my belief in the eternal nature of God's commandments, and the fact that not everything has yet been fulfilled, I believe we must keep the commandments found within the Law.

Just because someone steps in and pays your speeding ticket, does that mean you are free to speed from then on?

Each person has to be convicted in their own hearts. I don't expect to argue anyone into my views.

 

Then what would be your understanding of what "fulfilled" means in the context of v17?

Edited October 7, 2015 by jwhitlock