Adam God Theory

[Calm]

I researched this for a book I was writing, and found that Brother Brigham had to be catheterized on a regular basis. After I donated a kidney to my Brother Terry, I myself had issues and had to be catheterized a number of times. I can't think of how painful when he did that to himself, and when others assisted him, by using a hollow glass tube.

I would expect, the pain level caused by that process, required some sort of relief through medications, He may have used opiates as from my research, they were somewhat common back then. This could explain why one day he was teaching the adam-god theory, and then a few days later, he was not.

How old was he when this became his routine? You can't use it as an explanation for stuff he did and said prior to that time.

Added: I should have known Prof would catch this.

Edited November 7, 2015 by Calm

[Tacenda]

Well I don't know about you but I think a prophet of God ought to know who God is.

The Prophet Joseph Smith said: “It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God. See Teachings of Joseph Smith page 345. In the same sermon he said "If any man does not know God, . . . he will realize that he has not eternal life; for there can be eternal life on no other principle” See Teachings, 344.

BY did not teach Adam was Eloheim but he did teach Adam was the God of this world, our God and the father of Jesus. He taught Adam was an exalted being who had lived on another world and received exaltation and that he came to this earth, brought one oh his wives, ate of the fruit of this earth, bacame mortal again and so on.

So did BY know for a certainty the charecter of God?

My husband was reading a very old large red letter Bible his mother was giving away. In it are so many pages of detailed stories, answers to questions and topics. In it my husband read that Satan/Lucifer is the God of our world. Not to derail, but do you know what this means exactly?

Edited November 10, 2015 by Tacenda

[VideoGameJunkie]

Tacenda my only guess is that this world is still in a Telestial state so Satan has power over us to tempt. Eventually this world will become a Celestial Kingdom and will belong to Jesus Christ.

[JLHPROF]

Tacenda my only guess is that this world is still in a Telestial state so Satan has power over us to tempt. Eventually this world will become a Celestial Kingdom and will belong to Jesus Christ.

 

Dingdingding.  Bang on.

 

Telestial - this world is Satan's

Terrestrial - this world will be Christ's (Millennial reign)

Celestial - this world will still be Christ's inheritance but will be in the presence of the Father

[futurlogics]

According to my recollection Joseph Smith Jr. said in effect I would not worship a God who does not have a Father.  My view is that Eloheim, Jehovah, Michael were three embodied Persons who had passed through death.

They were sent to organize a world for inhabitation.  Michael who becomes Adam will be left in charge.  Michael has two Spirits who will be future Jehovah and future Michael who also do not have bodies.  The Jehovah and

Michael who have been lifted to immortality act as proxy for the two who are future Jehovah and future Michael until they are fully qualified to receive the respective mantle of the Regents who stand in for the future Jehovah

and future Michael.  They as Regents perform all till the future Spirits are qualified.  Jesus perform a proxy work for us by taking upon Him all our sins and weaknesses til we are fully qualified.  We perfom proxy work in

the Temple for those departed.  They the Regents perform proxy work for our Savior and our Michael who would be born out of order.  Thus the first shall be last and the last shall be last.   And Jesus received a more

excellent name than the angels(Hebrews ch 1).   Thus Our Adam is our Father or Patriarch seamlessly.  See http://www.hiddenpoetry.com/adam-god-theory.html

 

Let me know what is wrong in my thinking.

 

futurlogics james hall

[Hillel2]

According to my recollection Joseph Smith Jr. said in effect I would not worship a God who does not have a Father. My view is that Eloheim, Jehovah, Michael were three embodied Persons who had passed through death.

They were sent to organize a world for inhabitation. Michael who becomes Adam will be left in charge. Michael has two Spirits who will be future Jehovah and future Michael who also do not have bodies. The Jehovah and

Michael who have been lifted to immortality act as proxy for the two who are future Jehovah and future Michael until they are fully qualified to receive the respective mantle of the Regents who stand in for the future Jehovah

and future Michael. They as Regents perform all till the future Spirits are qualified. Jesus perform a proxy work for us by taking upon Him all our sins and weaknesses til we are fully qualified. We perfom proxy work in

the Temple for those departed. They the Regents perform proxy work for our Savior and our Michael who would be born out of order. Thus the first shall be last and the last shall be last. And Jesus received a more

excellent name than the angels(Hebrews ch 1). Thus Our Adam is our Father or Patriarch seamlessly. See http://www.hiddenpoetry.com/adam-god-theory.html

Let me know what is wrong in my thinking.

futurlogics james hall

[stephenpurdy]

According to my recollection Joseph Smith Jr. said in effect I would not worship a God who does not have a Father.  My view is that Eloheim, Jehovah, Michael were three embodied Persons who had passed through death.

They were sent to organize a world for inhabitation.  Michael who becomes Adam will be left in charge.  Michael has two Spirits who will be future Jehovah and future Michael who also do not have bodies.  The Jehovah and

Michael who have been lifted to immortality act as proxy for the two who are future Jehovah and future Michael until they are fully qualified to receive the respective mantle of the Regents who stand in for the future Jehovah

and future Michael.  They as Regents perform all till the future Spirits are qualified.  Jesus perform a proxy work for us by taking upon Him all our sins and weaknesses til we are fully qualified.  We perfom proxy work in

the Temple for those departed.  They the Regents perform proxy work for our Savior and our Michael who would be born out of order.  Thus the first shall be last and the last shall be last.   And Jesus received a more

excellent name than the angels(Hebrews ch 1).   Thus Our Adam is our Father or Patriarch seamlessly.  See http://www.hiddenpoetry.com/adam-god-theory.html

 

Let me know what is wrong in my thinking.

 

futurlogics james hall

 

 

We are discussing the problems with this theory here: http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/64192-mormons-getting-their-own-planet/page-10

 

Starting at about post 195 and 196

 

-stephen

[Hillel2]

Hello futurlogics. Can You explain how the rest of humanity fits into this scheme? I have read numerous "freelance" accounts where it is stated that every one of us will have to follow the same path as Jesus...i.e . Become saviors to other worlds after which we will move up to father status and so on. Others asset a two-tier system where only some faithfull spirits get to become messiahs...although then i can't figure out how they eventually get to the position the Father is at today so that they become creators in their own right. Throw in the Holy Spirit and Adam-G-d and it becomes hard to systematise the whole system...lots of fascinating ideas but i've never seen any one propose...if even for speculation's sake a complete coherent system.

[ERayR]

Hello futurlogics. Can You explain how the rest of humanity fits into this scheme? I have read numerous "freelance" accounts where it is stated that every one of us will have to follow the same path as Jesus...i.e . Become saviors to other worlds after which we will move up to father status and so on. Others asset a two-tier system where only some faithfull spirits get to become messiahs...although then i can't figure out how they eventually get to the position the Father is at today so that they become creators in their own right. Throw in the Holy Spirit and Adam-G-d and it becomes hard to systematise the whole system...lots of fascinating ideas but i've never seen any one propose...if even for speculation's sake a complete coherent system.

 

Coherent to who? 

[Hillel2]

Hello. Lets say little children. :-)

[ERayR]

Hello. Lets say little children. :-)

 

Whose little children discuss this topic so please cease with the condescension.

[futurlogics]

Hello futurlogics. Can You explain how the rest of humanity fits into this scheme? I have read numerous "freelance" accounts where it is stated that every one of us will have to follow the same path as Jesus...i.e . Become saviors to other worlds after which we will move up to father status and so on. Others asset a two-tier system where only some faithfull spirits get to become messiahs...although then i can't figure out how they eventually get to the position the Father is at today so that they become creators in their own right. Throw in the Holy Spirit and Adam-G-d and it becomes hard to systematise the whole system...lots of fascinating ideas but i've never seen any one propose...if even for speculation's sake a complete coherent system.

I am a newbe here, so maybe I am freelance.  We become saviors by acting in behalf of future Michael in the garden of Eden in the New Earth.  We have to be a Regent first for a spirit Michael(s) then we can 

receive "life in oneself" thus becoming a Jehovah(hvhy).  We get to be an Elohim by begetting a Savior.  Joseph Smith said the best way to understand the Holy Spirit is by not speaking of It/Him.  Orson Pratt

did not think Brigham Young had a coherent system.  Orson appears to believe Brigham was speculating.

[futurlogics]

Coherent to who? 

President Brigham Young and those who learn to think like him.

[futurlogics]

Whose little children discuss this topic so please cease with the condescension.

Once in a Sunday School class the topic of "where did God come from?" challenged me.  I instead ask the class what do you think?   One who was maybe a forever child answered,  She said, "Gad came

from a New Earth!  The whole class agreed and the manual lesson continued without anymore test questions.

[Calm]

"Joseph Smith said the best way to understand the Holy Spirit is by not speaking of It/Him."

 

CFR please

[stephenpurdy]

I am a newbe here, so maybe I am freelance.  We become saviors by acting in behalf of future Michael in the garden of Eden in the New Earth.  We have to be a Regent first for a spirit Michael(s) then we can 

receive "life in oneself" thus becoming a Jehovah(hvhy).  We get to be an Elohim by begetting a Savior.  Joseph Smith said the best way to understand the Holy Spirit is by not speaking of It/Him.  Orson Pratt

did not think Brigham Young had a coherent system.  Orson appears to believe Brigham was speculating.

We are discussing the problems with this theory here: http://www.mormondia...-planet/page-10

 

Starting at about post 195 and 196

 

-stephen

[sunstoned]

I never believed this.  BY should have explained it more.  I guess you had to be there.

This is just BY mis-remembering something that JS said. At the time there were members of the apostles who spoke out and disagreed with him, O. Pratt being one. Because of this push back, this teaching never became canonized or widely accepted by the church.  What worries me is that today this type of disagreement is no longer tolerated.  If a rogue teaching like this surfaced today, I would be afraid that it would be accepted the rank and file. Any push back would would come from the fringe and would not be taken seriously.

Edited November 23, 2015 by sunstoned