MormonFreeThinker Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) I do believe in a God that obeys the laws of physics Edited October 18, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker
Ahab Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Life is a spirit, and anything without a spirit is dead.And nobody can create any new kind of spirit.
MormonFreeThinker Posted October 18, 2014 Author Posted October 18, 2014 Life is a spirit, and anything without a spirit is dead.And nobody can create any new kind of spirit. Humans create new life all the time, their children, they do have a spirit.
Ahab Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Humans create new life all the time, their children, they do have a spirit.There is nothing new about children. Their parents are simply reproducing themselves. 2
MormonFreeThinker Posted October 18, 2014 Author Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) There is nothing new about children. Their parents are simply reproducing themselves. You missed my point, humans do not reproduce spirits, spirits come from heaven. Do you believe that scientists will create life in the lab? Yes or No? If they create new life, will a spirit get inside it? I am not talking about creating spirits. Edited October 18, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker
Garden Girl Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Life is a spirit, and anything without a spirit is dead.And nobody can create any new kind of spirit. Hmmm... what about cloning? That seems to be a successful practice with sheep, like "Dolly" etc. Years ago when this was news, I always thought there must be someone in a basement lab somewhere trying to clone humans. There may be someone today still trying... the process is pretty well established, at least for animals. There's not much news about cloning anymore. GG
ERayR Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Hmmm... what about cloning? That seems to be a successful practice with sheep, like "Dolly" etc. Years ago when this was news, I always thought there must be someone in a basement lab somewhere trying to clone humans. There may be someone today still trying... the process is pretty well established, at least for animals. There's not much news about cloning anymore. GG That was not creating it was making an exact reproduction of existing life.
ERayR Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 You missed my point, humans do not reproduce spirits, spirits come from heaven. Do you believe that scientists will create life in the lab? Yes or No? If they create new life, will a spirit get inside it? I am not talking about creating spirits. What would you consider as creating life? How would such a process work?
Ahab Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 You missed my point, humans do not reproduce spirits, spirits come from heaven.I think you're hung up on the word human, and you don't realize our spirit is our life and that we have the spirit/life that we have because of who, not really where, we came from. So yes our kind of being does produce spirits and we reproduce the same kind as we are. Do you believe that scientists will create life in the lab? Yes or No?That's a tricky question to answer with only a yes or a no. Substitute the word spirit for life, because that's what life is, and you'll see part of the problem. And then think about how a male scientists could have sexual relations with a female scientist in a lab, or get a male and female of another kind of being to have sexual relations in a lab. Even that wouldn't guarantee they would be able to reproduce life of a certain kind in a lab, though, but if they did it still wouldn't be a "new" kind of life.If they create new life, will a spirit get inside it? Let me put it this way. If they created a body a spirit could feasibly choose to enter it and in doing so give life to that body.I am not talking about creating spirits.I think you don't realize you are.
thesometimesaint Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Test tube human babies have been around for a while now.
Ahab Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Test tube human babies have been around for a while now. So would you say scientists have already created life itself? Or new kinds of life? Humans have been around for a while now too.
EllenMaksoud Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 I do believe in a God that obeys the laws of physics From my old Fundamentalist Evangelical days, I once heard a man speak about a so called Jewish story about the end of days. It went something like this: Man first created a doll. then he did things to it and it mimicked life. It first said, Master, then Brother, then Servant, meaning that it would first serve humanity then be our equal then this "Golum" would rule us. Another story that circulated around the same time was, "The Ashes of the Red Heifer". My old denomination was very into fantasy theology.
Garden Girl Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 That was not creating it was making an exact reproduction of existing life. Yes, but doesn't the clone have to have a spirit of its own? Where does that come from? It can't be separate and alive and not have a spirit... GG
Ahab Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Yes, but doesn't the clone have to have a spirit of its own? Where does that come from? It can't be separate and alive and not have a spirit...GGI'm interested in what EBayR will say too.
ksfisher Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 I do believe in a God that obeys the laws of physics What if it is God who is the author of the laws of physics? 1
LOSTONE Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Yes on both cause I was created in a lab and I am spiritual.
MormonFreeThinker Posted October 18, 2014 Author Posted October 18, 2014 I think you're hung up on the word human, and you don't realize our spirit is our life and that we have the spirit/life that we have because of who, not really where, we came from. So yes our kind of being does produce spirits and we reproduce the same kind as we are. We do not know if a spirit is required for all life. A spirit is required for human, animal, and plant life, but we do not know about other creatures. Let me put it this way. If they created a body a spirit could feasibly choose to enter it and in doing so give life to that body. Okay, do you believe that scientists will create a body for a spirit?
MormonFreeThinker Posted October 18, 2014 Author Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) What if it is God who is the author of the laws of physics? Maybe, we don't know. I believe God obeys the laws of physics, even if he created them. Edited October 18, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker
Ahab Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 We do not know if a spirit is required for all life. A spirit is required for human, animal, and plant life, but we do not know about other creatures. You seem determined to ignore what I'm telling you about how a spirit is life, and that there is no life without a spirit. No spirit = no living being.Okay, do you believe that scientists will create a body for a spirit?If they do they will have to use a male and a female, or their equivalent, to make it.
Calm Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Yes, but doesn't the clone have to have a spirit of its own? GGJust like identical twins do.
MormonFreeThinker Posted October 18, 2014 Author Posted October 18, 2014 there is no life without a spirit.How do you know? You seem determined to ignore what I'm telling you about how a spirit is life I agree that spirit is life, but I do not know if all life is a spirit. If they do they will have to use a male and a female, or their equivalent, to make it. So you do not believe scientists will create a body in the lab.
EllenMaksoud Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 Yes, but doesn't the clone have to have a spirit of its own? Where does that come from? It can't be separate and alive and not have a spirit... GGI do not know of any human clones that are old enough to show if they have a spirit. I don't doubt that someone will clone a human.
Ahab Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 How do you know? We don't really need to get into all of that. Just take what I'm telling you as me telling you what I know.I agree that spirit is life, but I do not know if all life is a spirit.It may be a little bit more technically correct to think of the life in a living being to be coming from the spirit that is in the body, rather than to think all life is a spirit.Consider roadkill, for example. At one time that critter was alive, but then the life went out of it when it was killed on the road. The body is still there, but something is missing. The life, or spirit, is not there.Or consider a baby born in what is called still birth, fresh from the womb, with no injury apparent in the body. It was just born not breathing, indicating the life, or the spirit, wasn't in it.The thing that gives life to a body is the thing we refer to as a spirit, and with no spirit there is no life.So you do not believe scientists will create a body in the lab.I will say they can if they can do what it requires.
MormonFreeThinker Posted October 18, 2014 Author Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) We don't really need to get into all of that. Just take what I'm telling you as me telling you what I know. Does Synthia (a cell) have a spirit? Yes or No? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/7745868/Scientist-Craig-Venter-creates-life-for-first-time-in-laboratory-sparking-debate-about-playing-god.html Edited October 18, 2014 by MormonFreeThinker
Garden Girl Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) Just like identical twins do. Yes, if each identical twin is separate and alive, each identical twin has it's own spirit, not a shared spirit. GG Edited October 19, 2014 by Garden Girl
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