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Having The Courage To Be A True Believer?


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Yes, this is going to be another hot topic, loaded issue.

I was talking to a friend of mine about life in general. The good, bad, and what the heck issues in everyday life. The subject turned to why some pastors and so many Christians never talk about or address the hard issues in life like abortion, suicide, same sex, death penalty, and other similar topics? My friend feels like these topics are loosely at best talked about as a side line issue or a conversation tid bit, but more often than not, they are not addressed by many pastors and many Christians. He finds this to be the case alot through church and Christian life. As if people are afraid to bring up such hard issues so they rather go with softer issues. Once that don’t stir things up. He feels we are avoiding issues we should be addressing for the sake of ourselves and society. He feels that we are too afraid to bring up these issues in any real way and to afraid to offend people and loose the support of people. He asked how many believers have the courage to be true believers? This was a very involve conversation and I was not sure what to say. I was not expecting such a deep thought conversation. I was not at all offended by him and gave him credit for expressing his feelings so open and respectful. Never the less, I was at a lost to respond so I struggled in the conversation. Anyways, I am bringing this whole thing here to see what others think. Are we lacking courage to be true believers and address the hard issues in life more directly? Are we too afraid of the drama or back lash we might get? If the fear is there, wouldn’t that be us giving into the fallen world and making that our focus? I am lost in all of this and just seeking understanding. Any thoughts?

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A bishop once remarked to me that the great lessons are not taught in church. Instead we are taught the tools with which to spiritually survive the lessons. I really don't think those are the hard issues though.

 

The hard issues for me involve things like:

 

"If all pain is for our good isn't asking for tenderness and relief from God the last thing we should expect to receive?"

 

"Why was the world designed in such a way that most of the human race is subservient and dependent on others to survive and so many suffer at the whims of others?"

 

"Isn't addiction an unfair cheat by the devil? We cannot be addicted to the good so why is evil so compulsive. I can stop reading the Book of Mormon at any time and go one way. Why make it so it is so hard to break a drug or porn habit and go the other way? It is easier to fall then to rise. Why?"

 

"Isn't the drive for sex out of all proportion to its usefulness? Why use such a non-deliberate method of creating offspring and therefore allow children to be born unwanted."

 

"Why are our lives so long? Wouldn't it make sense to grab us while we are in a state of grace rather then risk it staying here?"

 

"What is the purpose of pitting us against an animal nature that resurrected bodies are not meant to have in any case?  Why is that part of the test?"

 

"Why a veil over our memories? If the devil and the angels fell without a veil couldn't we fight the war with our flesh with more knowledge and be expected to choose to rise or fall?"

 

"I am commanded to trust God but trust Him to what? I trust he can save me from sin and death but I have little trust that my life will be pleasant. If God thinks the best thing for me to do is endure excruciating pain he will do so. How do I love such a God without reservation? I find there is fear mixed in with that love."

 

"Why are so many born or become defective so that they lose the capacity to act or reason and seemingly part of the test is nullified."

 

"Why are some people born with a desire for companionship and love they are forbidden to ever express?"

 

"Why are some born with little or no talents and find themselves consigned to the trash heap?"

 

"Why is the devil allowed to tempt us even when we tell him to stop while the Holy Ghost departs us at our will?"

 

I have answers to a few, glimmerings at a few others, and have no idea on the rest.

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Yes, this is going to be another hot topic, loaded issue.

I was talking to a friend of mine about life in general. The good, bad, and what the heck issues in everyday life. The subject turned to why some pastors and so many Christians never talk about or address the hard issues in life like abortion, suicide, same sex, death penalty, and other similar topics? 

 

Christians are not called to preach the social aspects of life. Its all about Christ and

the atonement. But as the Holy Spirit moves you, your actions will change and

society will be impacted. I have heard these issues discussed in the church I attend,

but it is not a focus.  Never heard them mentioned in lds ward meetings in the first

hour on Sunday.  The second part is priesthood meetings and there they talk about

the book being studied that year.

 

Gail

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I am lost in all of this and just seeking understanding.

Any thoughts?

I seem to recall somebody telling me that there is a time and a place

for everything -- and wisdom seeks to know the "when and where."

On Monday, it might be totally appropriate that I profess loudly

and clearly what I BELIEVE.

On Tuesday, circumstances may dictate that I stick to just

relating what I KNOW.

And on Wednesday, I may decide that my knowledge and

beliefs, added together, justify me in reproving my neighbor

for saying or doing something I deem reprehensible...

Kinda depends upon the situation at hand... Don't you think?

UD

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Yes, this is going to be another hot topic, loaded issue.

I was talking to a friend of mine about life in general. The good, bad, and what the heck issues in everyday life. The subject turned to why some pastors and so many Christians never talk about or address the hard issues in life like abortion, suicide, same sex, death penalty, and other similar topics? My friend feels like these topics are loosely at best talked about as a side line issue or a conversation tid bit, but more often than not, they are not addressed by many pastors and many Christians. He finds this to be the case alot through church and Christian life. As if people are afraid to bring up such hard issues so they rather go with softer issues. Once that don’t stir things up. He feels we are avoiding issues we should be addressing for the sake of ourselves and society. He feels that we are too afraid to bring up these issues in any real way and to afraid to offend people and loose the support of people. He asked how many believers have the courage to be true believers? This was a very involve conversation and I was not sure what to say. I was not expecting such a deep thought conversation. I was not at all offended by him and gave him credit for expressing his feelings so open and respectful. Never the less, I was at a lost to respond so I struggled in the conversation. Anyways, I am bringing this whole thing here to see what others think. Are we lacking courage to be true believers and address the hard issues in life more directly? Are we too afraid of the drama or back lash we might get? If the fear is there, wouldn’t that be us giving into the fallen world and making that our focus? I am lost in all of this and just seeking understanding. Any thoughts?

 

Maybe those things are never talked about because the answers are so obvious? I certainly don't know anybody who goes to the church I attend who would have a different answer from anyone else on any of the "hard issues". Today there was a conference on the question of mixed activities, whether it is healthy or dangerous for young people of the opposite gender to deliberately mingle before they are ready for marriage. That is a "hard" issue in our church. Some say yes, some say no. I know what direction Father is going and he has all of his i's dotted and t's crossed. With authority. Those other issues? About questions of life and death? No controversy. Its already decided. You can bring it up. Nobody avoids it. But nobody preaches about it either. What for? We all agree.

 

"Shall two walk together except they be agreed?" (Amos 3:3) "Shall two worship together except they be agreed?" (3DOP on 12/21/14)

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The Nehor, good questions all. I can sympathize with those who believe that one is fated to live in one's situation. I can see why the atheist argues for no God. Life does not appear fair at all and the strong always seem to rule the weak. So I wonder where the true test lies. Maybe the weak are the blessed ones and the strong come under much harsher judgment in the end. There was a sermon about that I recall.

A person who lives 80 years lives about 100 million seconds . If one touches a hot stove ,the experience will last a few seconds but the lesson can last a lifetime. My hope is that life is like that.

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...I can see why the atheist argues for no God....

 

Some atheists obviously voice those sorts of arguments. Others simply

bypass talking about the matter, since it does not fall within the bounds

of their world-view.

 

Both my wife and I lived among Buddhists in South Asia for a number of

years. I never once heard any of them "argue" over the existence or the

non-existence of gods.

 

A couple of them, however, indicated that there were other, more

tangible controversies worthy of argument -- such as, whether it was

good policy to kill and eat a yak, or a better choice to only eat the

meat of yaks dying of natural causes.

 

I used to hear those sorts of "atheistic" arguments now and then.

 

UD

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