The Lincoln Myth

[sandude]

"The Lincoln Myth", a new book that came out yesterday sounds interesting.  I tried to copy and paste the synopsis but was unable (noob) to.  The book is by Steve Berry and is one of his "Cotton Malone" stories.  I saw an interview with the author yesterday on Lou Dobbs' program.  One of the main elements to the story deals with the church.  Specifically, there was some kind of secret agreement between Abraham Lincoln and Brigham Young which helped bring an end to the civil war.  Mr. Berry also mentioned that Abraham  Lincoln was the only US president to have read the Book of Mormon.  Does anyone out there know what this agreement between Abraham Lincoln and Brigham Young entailed?

 

 

 

 

[Nevo]

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Edited October 1, 2014 by Nevo

[sandude]

It is a work of fiction but the author in his interview indicated that there was in fact just such an agreement.

[Duncan]

"The Lincoln Myth", a new book that came out yesterday sounds interesting.  I tried to copy and paste the synopsis but was unable (noob) to.  The book is by Steve Berry and is one of his "Cotton Malone" stories.  I saw an interview with the author yesterday on Lou Dobbs' program.  One of the main elements to the story deals with the church.  Specifically, there was some kind of secret agreement between Abraham Lincoln and Brigham Young which helped bring an end to the civil war.  Mr. Berry also mentioned that Abraham  Lincoln was the only US president to have read the Book of Mormon.  Does anyone out there know what this agreement between Abraham Lincoln and Brigham Young entailed?

 

I know next to nothing about the Civil war but Abraham Lincoln picking Brigham Young who didn't even live in the then US would have been a terrible choice, there should have been a multitude of others to get involved in for a secret deal. 

[Duncan]

It is a work of fiction but the author in his interview indicated that there was in fact just such an agreement.

 

 

then it's up to him to provide evidence of this deal

[Nevo]

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Edited October 1, 2014 by Nevo

[sandude]

I looked at the interview again and my statement of ending the civil war was not correct.  He said that it altered the course of the civil war.  I wanted to post a link to the interview here but my skills are not up to the task.  If you google Lou Dobbs the interview with Steve Berry is there.  If someone could post a link I'd appreciate it.

[USU78]

I know next to nothing about the Civil war but Abraham Lincoln picking Brigham Young who didn't even live in the then US would have been a terrible choice, there should have been a multitude of others to get involved in for a secret deal. 

 

Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ceded what later because Utah to the US, was in 1848.

 

The Civil War ended in 1865.

[eddie]

The only agreement I know of that existed between BY and Lincoln was one that occurred after Congress passed the Morrill anti-Bigamy Act. Lincoln told BY that he would never enforce the law if Utah didn't get involved in the Civil War on the side of the confederacy.

I doubt Utah would have ever gotten involved, and if they had they would have changed the course much, but that is the only agreement they could have made that I know of that fit in that context.

Edited May 21, 2014 by eddie

[Duncan]

Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ceded what later because Utah to the US, was in 1848.

 

The Civil War ended in 1865.

 

ah! Thank you!that's more than my knowledge of the Blue guys against the grey guys and grey side lost

[toon]

It is a work of fiction but the author in his interview indicated that there was in fact just such an agreement.

 

Is that kind of like Dan Brown claiming his books are based on facts.

[Guest]

"The Lincoln Myth", a new book that came out yesterday sounds interesting.  I tried to copy and paste the synopsis but was unable (noob) to.  The book is by Steve Berry and is one of his "Cotton Malone" stories.  I saw an interview with the author yesterday on Lou Dobbs' program.  One of the main elements to the story deals with the church.  Specifically, there was some kind of secret agreement between Abraham Lincoln and Brigham Young which helped bring an end to the civil war.  Mr. Berry also mentioned that Abraham  Lincoln was the only US president to have read the Book of Mormon.  Does anyone out there know what this agreement between Abraham Lincoln and Brigham Young entailed?

You need to be careful...I was drinking milk and now it is coming out of my nose. The part of this that might be true is AL reading the BoM, he was an avid reader.

[aspire]

I'm in the process of listening to it from Audible Book. It's very interesting and at this point I'm not sure where it going. Steven Berry is one of my favorite authors.

[Calm]

"Malone leaves his bookstore day job to rescue a missing agent and finds himself the target of a crazed church elder bent on bringing hidden Civil War documents to light. A long ago secret agreement between Brigham Young and Abraham Lincoln threatens the solvency of the Constitution, and once again Cotton is the only man standing between the United States and disaster. Only this time, his girlfriend is making a play for the enemy."

http://reviews.libraryjournal.com/2014/05/books/fiction/fiction-from-berry-fuller-hirshberg-jordan-fern-michaels-xpress-reviews/

September, 1861: All is not as it seems. With these cryptic words, a shocking secret passed down from president to president comes to rest in the hands of Abraham Lincoln. And as the first bloody clashes of the Civil War unfold, Lincoln alone must decide how best to use this volatile knowledge: Save thousands of American lives? Or keep the young nation from being torn apart forever?

The present: In Utah, the fabled remains of Mormon pioneers, whose 19th century expedition across the desert met with a murderous end, have been uncovered. In Washington, D.C., the official investigation of a international entrepreneur, an elder in the Mormon church, has sparked a political battle between the White House and a powerful United States senator. In Denmark, a Justice Department agent, missing in action, has fallen into the hands of a dangerous zealot – a man driven by divine visions to make a prophet’s words reality. And in a matter of a few short hours, Cotton Malone has gone from quietly selling books at his shop in Denmark to dodging bullets in a high-speed boat chase.

All it takes is a phone call from his former boss in Washington, and suddenly the ex-agent is racing to rescue an informant carrying critical intelligence. It’s just the kind of perilous business that Malone has been trying to leave behind, ever since he retired from the Justice Department. But once he draws enemy blood, Malone is plunged into a deadly conflict – a constitutional war secretly set in motion over 200 years ago by America’s Founding Fathers.

From the streets of Copenhagen to the catacombs of Salzburg to the rugged mountains of Utah, the grim specter of the Civil War looms as a dangerous conspiracy gathers power. Malone risks life, liberty, and his greatest love in a race for the truth about Abraham Lincoln —- while the fate of the United States of America hangs in the balance.

http://steveberry.org/books/the-lincoln-myth/synopsis/

Edited May 21, 2014 by calmoriah

[chochmah]

During my mission I met a brother in a serviceman's ward in Germany who taught Congressman Gerald Ford on his mission and indicated he had read the book of Mormon.

[nosmelone]

A bit off subject but a man in my last ward is part of the group translating the Book of Mormon into Farsi.  He was from Iran but stated that he had spoken to one of Muammar Gaddafi's son's who had read the Book of Mormon (a previously translated version in Farsi that wasn't a full translation but was decent and was done by a non-member).  Anyways apparently the son was very fond of the Book of Mormon and stated that if Islam were to find a way to integrate the teachings of the Book of Mormon with the Quran that they would become better Muslims. Unfortunatly I don't know which son it was, I know that a few of them died shortly after he did in the same conflict.

[USU78]

During my mission I met a brother in a serviceman's ward in Germany who taught Congressman Gerald Ford on his mission and indicated he had read the book of Mormon.

 

GF et ux and sons used to visit Northern Utah . . . he was friends with a guy I know (because he married a wardie of mine), and I've seen pictures of the two families being all chummy, including while he was president.  His son was in my frat at USU.  Wouldn't surprise me if he was given a BoM . . . the families were really that close, and the Northern Utah family was and is quite devout.

[Guest]

You need to be careful...I was drinking milk and now it is coming out of my nose. The part of this that might be true is AL reading the BoM, he was an avid reader.

Oh the part I found funny was that BY helped Abe end the war. Did not know the battlefront extended to Utah.

[rick7475]

The only agreement I know of that existed between BY and Lincoln was one that occurred after Congress passed the Morrill anti-Bigamy Act. Lincoln told BY that he would never enforce the law if Utah didn't get involved in the Civil War on the side of the confederacy.

I doubt Utah would have ever gotten involved, and if they had they would have changed the course much, but that is the only agreement they could have made that I know of that fit in that context.

 

Utah provided a cavalry unit on the union side in 1862 to guard the telegraph lines. When the Federal troops left Utah in 1861 they gave all their spare uniforms and supplies to the Nauvoo Legion. Mormons like Porter Rockwell were employed as scouts for the 3rd California Cavalry that was sent to Utah to protect the citizens from the Indians and were involved in the Bear River massacre. 

[Tiki]

During the Battle of Bull Run, General "Stonewall" Jackson invaded and captured St. George, Utah. That is why that portion of Utah to this day is called "Dixie."

[thesometimesaint]

During the Battle of Bull Run, General "Stonewall" Jackson invaded and captured St. George, Utah. That is why that portion of Utah to this day is called "Dixie."

 

That's BAAADDD

[cdowis]

Oh the part I found funny was that BY helped Abe end the war. Did not know the battlefront extended to Utah. 

 

That was the point.

 

 I am speculating, but any agreement with BY would be that Utah would stay neutral, and this would free up Union troops to remain east of the Mississippi.  

 

As a side note, the Mormon Battalion was created in response to the fear that the Mormons migrating to the west would become hostile to the United States (source -- History of the Saints).  The US army already had plenty of volunteers.

Edited May 25, 2014 by cdowis

[Tiki]

That was the point.

 

 I am speculating, but any agreement with BY would be that Utah would stay neutral, and this would free up Union troops to remain east of the Mississippi.  

 

As a side note, the Mormon Battalion was created in response to the fear that the Mormons migrating to the west would become hostile to the United States (source -- History of the Saints).  The US army already had plenty of volunteers.

I believe the Mormon Battalion was organized during the Mexican-American War which was declared in 1846, just under twenty years before the US Civil War of 1861, because Mexico threatened War with the US if it annexed the Republic of Texas which had declared its Independence from Mexico ten years earlier in 1836. But it's easy to confuse Pres. Polk with Pres. Abraham Lincoln.

It's also the war when the US Marines landed at Veracruz and marched inland and captured Mexico City, in 1847, thus Marine song including the "Walls of Montezuma." By the way, did you know the Captain Robert E. Lee and Lt. Ulysses S. Grant were fighting on the same side? Yes, that was twenty years earlier.

[Anijen]

Did not know the battlefront extended to Utah.

Well although not reaching Utah technically it was part of a plan. The battle of Glorieta did reach New Mexico, Arizona, and Nevada. See here.

[knowone]

 

lincolns life has been chronicled in such detail, i doubt there is any real connection between the two.  probably another utah-myth.  people fail to realize whats really interesting.  how lincoln was inspired by actual spirits/angels or whatever you want to call it.  the Savior doesnt only work inside the lds church.  check out a book called the hauntings of the presidents...or something like that.  fascinating.