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After the council and war in the Premortal world, and according to scripture, 2/3 of the spirits and angels remained who believed that Jesus should be the preordained Redeemer.  My question is, does this mean that there is a 'set number' of souls available to come to Earth before the beginning of the Millennium?

Will some souls never get the chance at life in the second estate?  

Can the Millenium not begin until all souls have had a chance to come here?  

I've read about it many times, and always wondered.  If this is not an appropriate question, please let me know...

 

 

 

WB

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I believe there is a set number of souls who are destined to come to this earth. Whether they come before Christs second coming or not, i dont think really matters that much. Your question reminds me of 2nd Enoch (not in LDS canon btw) where Enoch in his vision sees all the souls that are set apart to come to earth and he records all their names in a book. I tend to believe kinda like that :)

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Thanks...

I don't know why I keep thinking of them.  Just would seem cruel to be so loyal and patient and then be forgotten somehow...

I like knowing that Enoch is watching over them.  I really appreciate your answer.  My LDS friends had no clue and did not believe there was a set number of spirit children waiting...

 

-WB

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As in how they will be born?

Just like they are now. People will live and die like now, just death will apparently skip the spirit world separation of body and spirit and go straight to resurrection...given that people will be able to receive full instruction this makes sense for that part, but it doesn't allow the possibility of people sinning and refusing to accept the Atonement/repent so it would suggest that anyone born then is known by God to be righteous in their mortality so all those souls he knows won't be righteous and/or repent must be born before the Millennium. It would seem therefore that God is keeping track so everyone has the opportunity that they deserve.

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https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-45-the-millennium?lang=eng

People on the Earth during the Millennium

•Who will be on the earth during the Millennium?

A thousand years of peace, love, and joy will begin on the earth at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. This thousand-year period is called the Millennium. The scriptures and the prophets help us understand what it will be like to live on the earth during the Millennium.

For teachers: The subject of the Millennium sometimes leads people to speculate about ideas that are not found in the scriptures or the teachings of latter-day prophets. As you guide this lesson, be careful to avoid such speculation.

Because of the destruction of the wicked at the Savior’s Second Coming, only righteous people will live on the earth at the beginning of the Millennium. They will be those who have lived virtuous and honest lives. These people will inherit either the terrestrial or celestial kingdom.

During the Millennium, mortals will still live on earth, and they will continue to have children as we do now (see D&C 45:58). Joseph Smith said that immortal beings will frequently visit the earth. These resurrected beings will help with the government and other work. (See Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith [1976], 268.)

People will still have their agency, and for a time many will be free to continue with their religions and ideas. Eventually everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is the Savior.

During the Millennium, Jesus will “reign personally upon the earth” (Articles of Faith 1:10). Joseph Smith explained that Jesus will “reign over the Saints and come down and instruct” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith [2007], 258).

The Work of the Church during the Millennium

•What are the two great works that will be done during the Millennium?

There will be two great works for members of the Church during the Millennium: temple work and missionary work. Temple work involves the ordinances that are necessary for exaltation. These include baptism, the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the temple ordinances—the endowment, temple marriage, and the sealing together of family units.

Many people have died without receiving these ordinances. People on the earth must perform these ordinances for them. This work is now being done in the temples of the Lord. There is too much work to finish before the Millennium begins, so it will be completed during that time. Resurrected beings will help us correct the mistakes we have made in doing research concerning our dead ancestors. They will also help us find the information we need to complete our records. (See Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. [1954–56], 2:167, 251–52.)

The other great work during the Millennium will be missionary work. The gospel will be taught with great power to all people. Eventually there will be no need to teach others the first principles of the gospel because “they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord” (Jeremiah 31:34).

•How can we prepare now for work in the Millennium?

Conditions during the Millennium

•In what ways will life during the Millennium be different from life on the earth now?

The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that during the Millennium, “the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory” (Articles of Faith 1:10).

Satan Bound

During the Millennium, Satan will be bound. This means he will not have power to tempt those who are living at that time (see D&C 101:28). The “children shall grow up without sin unto salvation” (D&C 45:58). “Because of the righteousness of [the Lord’s] people, Satan has no power; wherefore, he cannot be loosed for the space of many years; for he hath no power over the hearts of the people, for they dwell in righteousness, and the Holy One of Israel reigneth” (1 Nephi 22:26).

Peace on the Earth

During the Millennium, there will be no war. People will live in peace and harmony together. Things that have been used for war will be turned to useful purposes. “They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more” (Isaiah 2:4; see also Isaiah 11:6–7; D&C 101:26).

Righteous Government

President John Taylor taught: “The Lord will be king over all the earth, and all mankind literally under his sovereignty, and every nation under the heavens will have to acknowledge his authority, and bow to his scepter. Those who serve him in righteousness will have communications with God, and with Jesus; will have the ministering of angels, and will know the past, the present, and the future; and other people, who may not yield full obedience to his laws, nor be fully instructed in his covenants, will, nevertheless, have to yield full obedience to his government. For it will be the reign of God upon the earth, and he will enforce his laws, and command that obedience from the nations of the world which is legitimately his right” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: John Taylor [2001], 225).

No Death

During the Millennium, there will be no death as we know it. When people have lived to an old age, they will not die and be buried. Instead, they will be changed from their mortal condition to an immortal condition in “the twinkling of an eye.” (See D&C 63:51; 101:29–31.)

All Things Revealed

Some truths have not been revealed to us. All things will be revealed during the Millennium. The Lord said He will “reveal all things—things which have passed, and hidden things which no man knew, things of the earth, by which it was made, and the purpose and the end thereof—things most precious, things that are above, and things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, and upon the earth, and in heaven” (D&C 101:32–34).

Other Millennial Activities

In many ways, life will be much as it is now, except that everything will be done in righteousness. People will eat and drink and will wear clothing. (See Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young [1997], 333.) People will continue to plant and harvest crops and build houses (see Isaiah 65:21).

•What are your thoughts and feelings about the conditions that will exist during the Millennium?

One Final Struggle after the Millennium

•What will be the final destiny of the earth?

At the end of the 1,000 years, Satan will be set free for a short time. Some people will turn away from Heavenly Father. Satan will gather his armies, and Michael (Adam) will gather the hosts of heaven. In this great struggle, Satan and his followers will be cast out forever. The earth will be changed into a celestial kingdom. (See D&C 29:22–29; 88:17–20, 110–15.)

Additional Scriptures

•Zechariah 14:4–9; 1 Nephi 22:24–25 (Jesus to reign on earth)

•Daniel 7:27 (Saints to be given the kingdom)

•D&C 88:87–110 (conditions during the Millennium)

•Revelation 20:1–3; 1 Nephi 22:26 (Satan to be bound)

•D&C 101:22–31 (enmity to cease; no death; Satan to have no power to tempt)

•Isaiah 11:1–9 (wolf and lamb to dwell together)

•D&C 43:31; Revelation 20:7–10 (Satan loosed for a little season)

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Alot of this is not what I was taught, as you have warned me here....It will take some time for me to re-learn and digest it all.  Again thank you for taking the time to provide me with great information...

I feel very indebted to you for caring enough to help me..

 

Que duer m a con los angelitos!

 

-WB

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Since we have rabbit-trailed into the Millennium, I would like to offer up a thought... 

It seems that at the beginning of the Millennium there will still be a sorting time after the wicked have been destroyed, where those nations, tongues, and people righteous enough to be saved (not bad enough to be damned) will be given the option to obey Yah or not. The primary vehicle of this sorting seems to be the Feast of Tabernacles... from Zechariah 14...
 

14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

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Dear BOMLuvr,

Thank you for your comments and verses from Zechariah...sorry about the "rabbitting"....afraid I have built up long list of questions and some just sort of came flying out last night.  It was wonderful to finally get answers, but also gives me lots to study today.   :fool:

It's all good...

 

-WB

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Welcome WB, it's nice to see the church with new eyes, yours!

 

LOL!!!

Know many that would disagree and call me a pest!

But thanks for the compliment, it is very hard to study by myself.  I love reading old posts here ti help gain perspective...

 

I appreciate you.

 

-WB

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Thanks...

I don't know why I keep thinking of them.  Just would seem cruel to be so loyal and patient and then be forgotten somehow...

I like knowing that Enoch is watching over them.  I really appreciate your answer.  My LDS friends had no clue and did not believe there was a set number of spirit children waiting...

 

-WB

 

I strongly suspect that as end times things wind down that the loose ends will be tied together and tucked in and all will be taken care of.

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I strongly suspect that as end times things wind down that the loose ends will be tied together and tucked in and all will be taken care of.

 

I know God misses nothing, I just let my feelings get in the way sometimes...and more often wonder what I have not understood.

 

My COJCOLDS sort of friend/mentor keeps reminding me of what a loving and just God you have.  Thanks for the reminder and Dinozo slap upside the back of my head!  Needed that..   lol.

 

Linking head and heart or study and faith are the core of my many weaknesses...

So feel free to slap me upside the head anytime!  (Gently)

 

-WB

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After the council and war in the Premortal world, and according to scripture, 2/3 of the spirits and angels remained who believed that Jesus should be the preordained Redeemer.  My question is, does this mean that there is a 'set number' of souls available to come to Earth before the beginning of the Millennium?

Will some souls never get the chance at life in the second estate?  

Can the Millenium not begin until all souls have had a chance to come here?  

I've read about it many times, and always wondered.  If this is not an appropriate question, please let me know...

 

 

 

WB

 

Just one quick correction here. The scriptures do not say that a third of the spirits followed Satan or that two thirds remained. In every case, it's phrased as a third part which gives an entirely different meaning, indicating most probably that three groups were involved - not numerical thirds.

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Just one quick correction here. The scriptures do not say that a third of the spirits followed Satan or that two thirds remained. In every case, it's phrased as a third part which gives an entirely different meaning, indicating most probably that three groups were involved - not numerical thirds.

 

I see that now especially inAbraham 3 and in Revelations.  I got the original 1/3 from a topical guide.  I should have read more cl o sely.  Thank you....

WB

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After the council and war in the Premortal world, and according to scripture, 2/3 of the spirits and angels remained who believed that Jesus should be the preordained Redeemer.  My question is, does this mean that there is a 'set number' of souls available to come to Earth before the beginning of the Millennium?

Will some souls never get the chance at life in the second estate?  

Can the Millenium not begin until all souls have had a chance to come here?  

I've read about it many times, and always wondered.  If this is not an appropriate question, please let me know...

 

 

 

WB

I believe the author of those words did not understand what he was told to say.

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Can the Millenium not begin until all souls have had a chance to come here?  

I've read about it many times, and always wondered.  If this is not an appropriate question, please let me know...

 

 

 

WB

 

There will still be births and deaths during the millennium.

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