"ruth" 2009 Version

[EllenMaksoud]

So, I have been watching some movies about Old Testament Characters on Netflix. Tonight it is "Ruth". In the movie it is mentioned that for Ruth to choose Boaz, she is to  find where he lays down at night and uncover his feet and lay down sleep by him. Hmmm, I I have not heard of this. Now, off to read the book of Ruth. 

 

Wow, the passage is in the Book of Ruth !

 

This is enough to make me wonder what is in the drinking water.

Edited March 19, 2014 by EllenMaksoud

[strappinglad]

The Bible like to use euphemisms when it can. It's nice to have a warm body to put your cold feet on in the night. In scouts we used a hot rock from the camp fire for the same purpose. I'm sure nothing more was implied.

For your edification: http://www.isitinthebible.com/ot/ruth&boaz.htm

Edited March 19, 2014 by strappinglad

[EllenMaksoud]

The Bible like to use euphemisms when it can. It's nice to have a warm body to put your cold feet on in the night. In scouts we used a hot rock from the camp fire for the same purpose. I'm sure nothing more was implied.

For your edification: http://www.isitinthebible.com/ot/ruth&boaz.htm

Wow, that is an interesting link.  That "feet" could have been "Private Parts", simply never occurred to me. In our decayed puritanical culture ... well, actually if groups of modern families were at a picnic, and we found one of our young couples dozing in the sun together, well I suppose we would know something was going on.

 

I wonder when the Book of Ruth happened? Lots of OT stories were repeated verbally for a long time before they were ever written down.

[Tacenda]

Wow, that is an interesting link. That "feet" could have been "Private Parts", simply never occurred to me. In our decayed puritanical culture ... well, actually if groups of modern families were at a picnic, and we found one of our young couples dozing in the sun together, well I suppose we would know something was going on.

I wonder when the Book of Ruth happened? Lots of OT stories were repeated verbally for a long time before they were ever written down.

Stuff like this makes me gag. I'm disliking scripture more and more, I'm thinking it's more manmade everyday. The violence in scripture is so extreme, this and that is worse than any "R". Maybe my faith in them is shifting beneath me, talk about feeling like I jumped out of a plane with no parachute. Is this what alot of people experience? And I'm immature in my faith walk? Sorry to go on a tangent, back to topic.

[jana at jade house]

Um, the word that MIGHT be feet, actually is closer in meaning to legs. AND the word that is used is not the same as the feet euphemism word, IIRC.  Maybe she just was just to uncover him so he(her protector and in charge of her welfare)would wake up and find her, and not wearing widow's robes but a regular everyday garment like other young women wear.  Naomi instructed her to wash off and change into that robe to indicate she was ready to move on.  So she did. Again reading social norms of 2014 into behaviour of an ancient nomadic desert tribe that was barely literate is like Disney-fying  fairy tales.  The original intent is erased or obscured.

 

And indeed the scriptures are man-made. They are the story of a flawed and disobedient bunch of folks who are led by leaders sometimes flawed themselves.  The wonder of it is that these people, like us today, as weak and willful as they and we are, can and do and did bring the Gospel forward. In spite of all our wicked ways, the Plan of Salvation is available and intact.

 

Yes, there are harsh and horrible realities along the way.  There are practicalities that make us in 2014 cringe. Luckily we have been saved for the latter-days....to live in a another crazy society with lots of warts.

 

The Scriptures give me hope. That we can and will hold on, even in our weakness.

[EllenMaksoud]

Um, the word that MIGHT be feet, actually is closer in meaning to legs. AND the word that is used is not the same as the feet euphemism word, IIRC.  Maybe she just was just to uncover him so he(her protector and in charge of her welfare)would wake up and find her, and not wearing widow's robes but a regular everyday garment like other young women wear.  Naomi instructed her to wash off and change into that robe to indicate she was ready to move on.  So she did. Again reading social norms of 2014 into behaviour of an ancient nomadic desert tribe that was barely literate is like Disney-fying  fairy tales.  The original intent is erased or obscured.

 

And indeed the scriptures are man-made. They are the story of a flawed and disobedient bunch of folks who are led by leaders sometimes flawed themselves.  The wonder of it is that these people, like us today, as weak and willful as they and we are, can and do and did bring the Gospel forward. In spite of all our wicked ways, the Plan of Salvation is available and intact.

 

Yes, there are harsh and horrible realities along the way.  There are practicalities that make us in 2014 cringe. Luckily we have been saved for the latter-days....to live in a another crazy society with lots of warts.

 

The Scriptures give me hope. That we can and will hold on, even in our weakness.

Oh, I have seen some extremely dark people and Heavenly Father saved me. I still have an artifact from the past that I keep around to remind me of how bad it was and how good it is now being a child of Heavenly Father. I was just surprised to see what I saw in the Book of Ruth.

[EllenMaksoud]

Stuff like this makes me gag. I'm disliking scripture more and more, I'm thinking it's more manmade everyday. The violence in scripture is so extreme, this and that is worse than any "R". Maybe my faith in them is shifting beneath me, talk about feeling like I jumped out of a plane with no parachute. Is this what alot of people experience? And I'm immature in my faith walk? Sorry to go on a tangent, back to topic.

Taken in context, after reading and praying about this incident in Ruth, I do not see it as so violent or to borrow a term from CS Lewis, "bent". And, now that I understand more, there was already some family attachment and in her gleaning activities, was already under Boaz's protection, that he had so far extended without strings. I think that part of the reason that I took note of the passage is because of my own psychological lenses. While I know of a goodly number of good Mormon men, my past left me in such a place as to be terrified of men with simply a growl.

 

As to the violence of the Bible, in many ways we here in America live in a very much less violent world than Ruth did.  I have had people tell me that they thought that God had a dark side in the OT, but that simply tells me that they have not actually read the OT with diligence.

[The Nehor]

Stuff like this makes me gag. I'm disliking scripture more and more, I'm thinking it's more manmade everyday. The violence in scripture is so extreme, this and that is worse than any "R". Maybe my faith in them is shifting beneath me, talk about feeling like I jumped out of a plane with no parachute. Is this what alot of people experience? And I'm immature in my faith walk? Sorry to go on a tangent, back to topic.

Whenever I read about how messed up others are when trying to be godly it gives me great hope for myself. Leah and Rachel's petty. competition in childbearing, Noah getting drunk once, Peter's denials and the apostles scattering, Captain Moroni's anger problems, Alma the Elder's naïveté, Nephi's obnoxious conduct with his brothers, the foibles of modern Apostles and Prophets. If they can be saved there is hope for me.

[EllenMaksoud]

Whenever I read about how messed up others are when trying to be godly it gives me great hope for myself. Leah and Rachel's petty. competition in childbearing, Noah getting drunk once, Peter's denials and the apostles scattering, Captain Moroni's anger problems, Alma the Elder's naïveté, Nephi's obnoxious conduct with his brothers, the foibles of modern Apostles and Prophets. If they can be saved there is hope for me.

The most stark feature about certain Christian sects is the failure to understand and obey Galatians 6:1.  Sometimes one really has to dig deep to find that compassion.

[strappinglad]

In comparison to any time in history before 1900 , the last 100 years far surpasses the death and misery toll. Look at the turmoil in Africa and the Middle East. Even look at the current troubles in Detroit and Chicago .Parts of Mexico are deadly. If the Israelites were to be migrating though any one of the aforementioned places, and a record was being kept ,I think their scriptures would reflect about the same conflict today as it did 3000 years ago.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

So, I have been watching some movies about Old Testament Characters on Netflix. Tonight it is "Ruth". In the movie it is mentioned that for Ruth to choose Boaz, she is to  find where he lays down at night and uncover his feet and lay down sleep by him. Hmmm, I I have not heard of this. Now, off to read the book of Ruth. 

 

Wow, the passage is in the Book of Ruth !

 

This is enough to make me wonder what is in the drinking water.

Yes, it sounds racy.

[EllenMaksoud]

Yes, it sounds racy.

Well, this is 2500 years later.

[theplains]

So, I have been watching some movies about Old Testament Characters on Netflix. Tonight it is "Ruth". In the movie it is mentioned that for Ruth to choose Boaz, she is to  find where he lays down at night and uncover his feet and lay down sleep by him. Hmmm, I I have not heard of this. Now, off to read the book of Ruth. 

 

In a previous post, you mentioned you had spent 33 years as an Evangelical.

I'm suprised that it was in a Netflix movie and not in the Bible that you first heard

of this.

 

Regards,

Jim

[EllenMaksoud]

In a previous post, you mentioned you had spent 33 years as an Evangelical.

I'm suprised that it was in a Netflix movie and not in the Bible that you first heard

of this.

 

Regards,

Jim

Um, well me too.   My only excuse is a bad memory.     As I read Ruth there was considerable other detail that I did not know, so now I am going back to read it again. Apparently somewhere along the line Ruth/Boaz were in the blood line of King David. This should be fun discovering how all this transpired.

[cinepro]

That's nothing.  Once you learn what really happened in Genesis 24:2, you'll never look at the word "testify" the same way again...