Avatar4321 Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20140213_Mormons_to_build_32-story_tower_in_Center_City.html#lVJWoR5eikoWgRK9.01 Saw this on facebook. Totally took my by surprise.
Calm Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Excellent. Hopefully this is something that can be done for many cities (assuming they want it), including outside the US.
Avatar4321 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Posted February 13, 2014 I hope so too. Has the Church done this anywhere else?
Calm Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 I don't think on this scale. Weren't the Hong Kong and Manhattan temples part of a complex...but no retail space, iirc, just church related stuff.
Calm Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 The Hong Kong China Temple is located in the beautiful residential district of Kowloon Tong, a suburb of Hong Kong on the Kowloon Peninsula. The temple proper occupies the top three floors of the building while a meetinghouse, mission office, apartments for the temple president and mission president, and Beehive Clothing outlet fill the balance of the building. Under the plaza level is the baptistry and underground parking facility. The striking edice, characterized by Hong Kong colonial architecture, features high arching windows, ornamented walls, and a gold dome supporting the single spire and gold-leafed angel Moroni statue.Located at the intersection of West 65th Street, Broadway, and Columbus Avenue, the Manhattan New York Temple stands among some of New York City's most prominent landmarks including the Lincoln Center, home of the renowned Juilliard School, and Central Park. The temple proper occupies the top three floors of the edifice while the baptistry operates on the first floor; a meetinghouse spans the third floor, and the second floor houses a public affairs office and distribution center. From the lobby, there is a separate door to enter the temple inscribed Holiness to the Lord.
jwhitlock Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Very interesting. Look forward to going to the temple when it's completed in 2016.
Avatar4321 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Posted February 13, 2014 Shame its still two years away. I want to go there now! lol
Avatar4321 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Posted February 13, 2014 So did the other temples have apartment complexes too? Because the description there doesn't seem to indicate it.
Calm Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 No, it doesn't sound like it.And this one is not directly connected to the temple either, but with a tree lined walkway apparently connecting them, if I understand the article.
Coreyb Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Wow! looks very similar in style to the one we built at city creek
Daniel2 Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Is this for real...?? Can someone confirm with a link from the church itself?
Calm Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 A friend I shared it with has family there who had mentioned it to him so looks real.
Calm Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/blog/real-estate/2014/02/mormon-church-to-build-32-story.htmlhttp://www.deseretnews.com/article/765647643/Mormons-to-build-32-story-tower-in-downtown-Philly.html
Storm Rider Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Gosh and paying taxes too. I wonder how a critic is going to find a problem with that? Oh, I know; if they have money for real estate development they should have given it to the poor. But then again, they do that already. So the issue will be? Hmm, Philidelphia is not really a big enough location for LDS and so they are sticking their noses where it does not belong. Good enough for critics I guess.
Tacenda Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Gosh and paying taxes too. I wonder how a critic is going to find a problem with that? Oh, I know; if they have money for real estate development they should have given it to the poor. But then again, they do that already. So the issue will be? Hmm, Philidelphia is not really a big enough location for LDS and so they are sticking their noses where it does not belong. Good enough for critics I guess. Bold mine. Answer: Well, the church is a corporation then. Neener, neener! I'm only half kidding, I saw this comment, hand delivered to you Storm . But it kind of makes sense. Should what this commenter said, concern us? "There are two distinct financial models on the opposite end of the spectrum---the "fish and loaves model" and the "corporate investing model." Jesus unveiled the fish and loaves model where he took what little his kingdom had and distributed it among the least without reservation. In mimetic faith the baskets filled and refilled by those inspired by Jesus; whereas the corporate model is one born out of lack of faith where financial "granaries" are built to SOMEDAY maybe leak out a few usurious portion to the least. The problem with the corporate model is that it is so damn uninspiring and a faithless demonstration that "they" do not trust us to fill the baskets so they invest vatican style. Unwittingly they kill the golden goose--the faith of those adherents that were and are the wellspring of giving." And just to add more, I'm milking this ETA! What about the school in Mexico that the church discontinued and made into an MTC, why not build a new MTC??
ChristKnight Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 I don't think on this scale. Weren't the Hong Kong and Manhattan temples part of a complex...but no retail space, iirc, just church related stuff. For the Manhattan Temple, the Church actually owns the entire block/complex that the building is attached to. There's a restaurant next door, and maybe a small museum or something as well. The Church owns all of that, and the space is leased, from what I understand. I think there are also apartments for the senior missionaries serving in the temple in that same complex attached to the temple/meetinghouse.
Avatar4321 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Posted February 13, 2014 Is this for real...?? Can someone confirm with a link from the church itself? What is questionable about the news sites with the story? I saw the story quoted by an Area seventy this morning.
rockpond Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 Oh, I know; if they have money for real estate development they should have given it to the poor. But then again, they do that already. So the issue will be? For me, it's an issue of the mission of the church and the lack of common consent. For some, I believe, it's the ratio of how much we use for humanitarian aid vs. how much we use for real estate development. LDS.org's Welfare Services Fact Sheet The cost of this residential tower in Philadelphia represents over two full years worth of our average humanitarian aid (just to give some perspective to the figures). Put in other terms, the cost of this residential development per member is $8.57 ($120m / 14m members). Our average annual humanitarian aid per member over the timeframe given in the above fact sheet is $5.04 ($1.4b / 27 years / 10,286,909 avg annual membership over that time period).
Avatar4321 Posted February 13, 2014 Author Posted February 13, 2014 Gosh and paying taxes too. I wonder how a critic is going to find a problem with that? Oh, I know; if they have money for real estate development they should have given it to the poor. But then again, they do that already. So the issue will be? Hmm, Philidelphia is not really a big enough location for LDS and so they are sticking their noses where it does not belong. Good enough for critics I guess. It will be.
Okrahomer Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 The cost of this residential tower in Philadelphia represents over two full years worth of our average humanitarian aid (just to give some perspective to the figures). Put in other terms, the cost of this residential development per member is $8.57 ($120m / 14m members). Our average annual humanitarian aid per member over the timeframe given in the above fact sheet is $5.04 ($1.4b / 27 years / 10,286,909 avg annual membership over that time period). How accurate is this perspective really, when your calculation fails to include an estimate for LDS-aid in all its forms--ex., fast offerings and PEF; or do you feel only the aid we provide to people outside the Church "counts"?
rockpond Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 How accurate is this perspective really, when your calculation fails to include an estimate for LDS-aid in all its forms--ex., fast offerings and PEF; or do you feel only the aid we provide to people outside the Church "counts"? I don't know. I gave the stats with the only numbers that the church publishes and they do not say what is included in that $1.4B figure.
Daniel2 Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 What is questionable about the news sites with the story? I saw the story quoted by an Area seventy this morning.I see there have been multiple other reports, since, and trust the validity now.Honestly, I thought it was a satire, a la The Onion. It just seems like a very non-church thing to do.
Okrahomer Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 I don't know. I gave the stats with the only numbers that the church publishes and they do not say what is included in that $1.4B figure. The $1.4B Humanitarian Aid figure references "disaster assistance" which the Church provided between 1985 and 2011. The aid/assistance was provided in 179 countries and territories in response to 202 major disasters.
rockpond Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 The $1.4B Humanitarian Aid figure references "disaster assistance" which the Church provided between 1985 and 2011. The aid/assistance was provided in 179 countries and territories in response to 202 major disasters. It does not actually say that. The $1.4B figure is the only dollar amount noted anywhere on the "Welfare Services Fact Sheet" that I referenced. The one-page sheet references all of our welfare activities, including storehouses and distribution facilities.
Okrahomer Posted February 13, 2014 Posted February 13, 2014 It does not actually say that. The $1.4B figure is the only dollar amount noted anywhere on the "Welfare Services Fact Sheet" that I referenced. The one-page sheet references all of our welfare activities, including storehouses and distribution facilities. Perhaps you are correct; although, I doubt it. I read it as two separate data "tables." The first table details Welfare services for the year 2011 and includes non-monetary information just for 2011. The second data table below it references disaster assistance specifically for the years 1985 - 2011. The $1.4B total immediately below references the same years (1985 - 2011)--which (at least in my mind) is a monetary summary of the disaster relief outlined above.
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