NEDRA Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 http://m.lvsun.com/news/2013/nov/19/man-kills-himself-outside-las-vegas-mormon-temple/ Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I do have a certain amount of sympathy for this man, and certainly for the family, friends, and associates he left behind. That said, I wonder why poking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the eye while he made his exit from this life was on the agenda. I wonder if he left a note. Hey, I've pondered "The Final, Non-Solution 'Solution'." Where would I do it, if I were so inclined? On the steps of the University of Utah's Park Building, perhaps, after having sent pointed notes to a couple of University officials to protest my seemingly Eternal Un- and Underemployment, despite my receipt of a(n) (very costly!) advanced degree from that institution? Hope springs eternal, I suppose. Link to comment
NEDRA Posted November 20, 2013 Author Share Posted November 20, 2013 I don't get the impression he was trying to "poke the church in the eye." If anything, his final actions suggest he was looking for comfort: choosing the temple, asking for scriptures, reading the Book ofMormon.Unfortunately, as I unserstand, a group of young people was in the vicinity and witnessed the suicide. Link to comment
Duncan Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I don't get the impression he was trying to "poke the church in the eye." If anything, his final actions suggest he was looking for comfort: choosing the temple, asking for scriptures, reading the Book ofMormon.Unfortunately, as I unserstand, a group of young people was in the vicinity and witnessed the suicide. I don't know for sure but they may not have known what was going on until it was too late Link to comment
AndyDnom Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I don't get the impression he was trying to "poke the church in the eye." If anything, his final actions suggest he was looking for comfort: choosing the temple, asking for scriptures, reading the Book ofMormon.Unfortunately, as I unserstand, a group of young people was in the vicinity and witnessed the suicide. Where are you getting your information that he asked for scriptures and read the book of mormon? Link to comment
One Clear Voice Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Scott Bybee from Henderson, Nevada. My daughter had just arrived to do Baptisms for the dead. They saw the 26 year old walking around in the parking lot, heard a noise then saw him fall. This could have been much more tragic. Sadly there was no security in the area. Link to comment
Ahab Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Update: He's now in the world of spirits and very much regrets his decision to end his life here. If he had known then what he knows now... but, oh well. We all live and learn. Link to comment
Mystery Meat Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Sadly, this story may get ugly and national attention if the media picks up on a few things. I hope they don't. Link to comment
AndyDnom Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Update: He's now in the world of spirits and very much regrets his decision to end his life here. If he had known then what he knows now... but, oh well. We all live and learn. innapropriate comment in my opinion. dont use a death to push your religious views. and saying someone "lives and learns" in the case of a death is beyond tasteless. For all you know, when we die, we will find out the muslims are right. Link to comment
bluebell Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Sadly, this story may get ugly and national attention if the media picks up on a few things. I hope they don't. What things might they pick up on? Link to comment
halconero Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Update: He's now in the world of spirits and very much regrets his decision to end his life here. If he had known then what he knows now... but, oh well. We all live and learn. That was in extremely poor taste. Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Update: He's now in the world of spirits and very much regrets his decision to end his life here. If he had known then what he knows now... but, oh well. We all live and learn.Respectfully, I would suggest that you leave judgment in the hands of one who is Omniscient. As much as I respect you, you don't qualify. Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I don't get the impression he was trying to "poke the church in the eye." If anything, his final actions suggest he was looking for comfort: choosing the temple, asking for scriptures, reading the Book ofMormon.Unfortunately, as I unserstand, a group of young people was in the vicinity and witnessed the suicide.Thanks for the clarification, and the fact that the suicide apparently was witnessed is unfortunate indeed. Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Sadly, this story may get ugly and national attention if the media picks up on a few things. I hope they don't. What things might they pick up on? This young man's father, Jay Bybee, was a Bush Administration Justice Department official prior to being nominated for and confirmed to the federal judiciary. He had a hand in some decisions with respect to the Bush Administration's response to 9/11 with which many people disagree. Link to comment
Mystery Meat Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 This young man's father, Jay Bybee, was a Bush Administration Justice Department official prior to being nominated for and confirmed to the federal judiciary. He had a hand in some decisions with respect to the Bush Administration's response to 9/11 with which many people disagree.This. Link to comment
EllenMaksoud Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 innapropriate comment in my opinion. dont use a death to push your religious views. and saying someone "lives and learns" in the case of a death is beyond tasteless. For all you know, when we die, we will find out the muslims are right.As to the Mormon position on suicide, what I have seen is that they are characteristically compassionate about it. No one knows what Heavenly Father will do, but I do not think it will be punishment. http://www.lds.org/ensign/1987/10/suicide-some-things-we-know-and-some-we-do-not Muslim thought on the issue lacks much compassion. http://www.gainpeace.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=116:what-is-the-islamic-view-on-suicide-qmercyq-killings-and-abortion&catid=54&Itemid=116 Link to comment
Ahab Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 As to the Mormon position on suicide, what I have seen is that they are characteristically compassionate about it. No one knows what Heavenly Father will do, but I do not think it will be punishment. http://www.lds.org/ensign/1987/10/suicide-some-things-we-know-and-some-we-do-not Link to comment
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I do have a certain amount of sympathy for this man,I have sympathy for anyone who feels the need to take their own life. But maybe is because I a tender hearted. Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 http://m.lvsun.com/news/2013/nov/19/man-kills-himself-outside-las-vegas-mormon-temple/What struck me most were the haters who immediately came out of the woodwork (in comments on the LV Sun story) and began saying horrible things about the LDS Church. Do they do this same sort of awful tirade when a Roman Catholic commits suicide at a Cathedral, or a Jewish person does so at a synagogue, etc.? Even Steve Benson joined in the chorus of haters. Link to comment
Robert F. Smith Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Scott Bybee from Henderson, Nevada. My daughter had just arrived to do Baptisms for the dead. They saw the 26 year old walking around in the parking lot, heard a noise then saw him fall. This could have been much more tragic. Sadly there was no security in the area.Had there been security in that area, and had approached young Bybee, the security guy would likely have been shot too. Link to comment
Calm Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Scott Bybee from Henderson, Nevada. My daughter had just arrived to do Baptisms for the dead. They saw the 26 year old walking around in the parking lot, heard a noise then saw him fall. This could have been much more tragic. Sadly there was no security in the area.I hope your daughter and her friends are doing all right. Suicides have such a far reaching impact in so many cases, not just the person involved. It can be very hard for those who have never experienced something close to that level of despair to even begin to understand and that makes it hard to come to terms with it in one's life. Link to comment
One Clear Voice Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I hope your daughter and her friends are doing all right. Suicides have such a far reaching impact in so many cases, not just the person involved. It can be very hard for those who have never experienced something close to that level of despair to even begin to understand and that makes it hard to come to terms with it in one's life.The Bishop called several times tonight, they have set up a church services for this sunday for the young women to meet and get help, apparently several have been affected and couldn't sleep lastnight! Thank you for your thoughts! Link to comment
Calm Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Excellent, I was hoping they would pursue something like this. Link to comment
MorningStar Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 How awful. When I was a senior in high school, my friend's mom called panicking because her husband had shot himself and my friend ran away because she was freaking out. My mom and I went out to look for her and stopped by the house to see if she had returned. She was back and the scene was absolutely horrible. I can't imagine going to the temple and witnessing something like that. Link to comment
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