tyler90az Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) A man who devoted his life to the study of matter. His studies led him to the belief that there must be a creator. Just a very interesting guy and life. “As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind.” ~Max PlanckAnybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith.'Max PlanckPlanck wrote, "...'to believe' means 'to recognize as a truth,'http://en.wikipedia....#Religious_viewhttp://www.nobelpriz...planck-bio.html Edited April 23, 2013 by tyler90az 1
thesometimesaint Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 A man who devoted his life to the study of matter. His studys led him to the belief that there must be a creator. Just a very interesting guy and life. “As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind.” ~Max PlanckAnybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith.'Max PlanckPlanck wrote, "...'to believe' means 'to recognize as a truth,'http://en.wikipedia....#Religious_viewhttp://www.nobelpriz...planck-bio.htmlI believe in God, but I doubt that we will ever find God through science.
ERayR Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I believe in God, but I doubt that we will ever find God through science.Ironic that the ultimate scientist is banned from science. 4
thesometimesaint Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Ironic that the ultimate scientist is banned from science.It is ironic, but such are the rules scientists have to work within.
Calm Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I believe in God, but I doubt that we will ever find God through science.God may find*** us through science though...****draw us to him, reveal himself to us 1
thesometimesaint Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 God may find*** us through science though...****draw us to him, reveal himself to usI think God already knows us pretty well. I sure hope so.
tyler90az Posted April 23, 2013 Author Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) I believe in God, but I doubt that we will ever find God through science.I think God can be found through science. We just have no way of telling how close science is to finding God. It may be possible but I do not know if we ever will. Edited April 23, 2013 by tyler90az
ERayR Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 I think God can be found through science. We just have no way of telling how close science is to finding God.How close can you get when you deny his existence. Before I cause someone apoplexy I do not mean individually but the discipline in general.
tyler90az Posted April 23, 2013 Author Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) How close can you get when you deny his existence. Before I cause someone apoplexy I do not mean individually but the discipline in general.Similar to what science has found that it has previously denied. Science is ever evolving never staying the same. To rely on science is to rely on something soon to be outdated. I do believe there are absolutes science has discovered. But they will never find complete absolutes on everything. That is unless they find God. I do not think God will ever be discovered through science. That does not mean God can not be discovered through science. God is science, science is God. Edited April 23, 2013 by tyler90az
CASteinman Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Candice Pert -- who probably should have won the Nobel Prize -- was an atheist. She asserts with great passion that her science has led her to spirituality and a believe in God of some sort. I consider her a deist. But unlike most deists I meet, this is not some bland, vague thing that may not be important to us: She asserts that we are biologically made to believe in and seek after God. And her science has led her to that conclusion after growing up atheist and many years of being atheist as an adult 1
thesometimesaint Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 How close can you get when you deny his existence. Before I cause someone apoplexy I do not mean individually but the discipline in general.Science doesn't deny the existence of God. Science by definition is Agnostic when it comes to God. Individual scientist are free to believe in one or more Gods or no God as is their want.Agnosticism is the view that the existence or non-existence of any deity is unknown and possibly unknowable.
CASteinman Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) Science doesn't deny the existence of God.weak."Science" doesn't do anything or have any opinions or know truth or right from wrong or even whether an experiment was conducted correctly or not."Science" is ignorant.But Scientists do all of those things and the prominent scientists and spokesmen deny God or denigrate His existence frequently. It is not altogether unlike a chorus of voices.Hence the exceptions are notable. Edited April 24, 2013 by CASteinman 2
thesometimesaint Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) weak."Science" doesn't do anything or have any opinions or know truth or right from wrong or even whether an experiment was conducted correctly or not."Science" is ignorant.But Scientists do all of those things and the prominent scientists and spokesmen deny God or denigrate His existence frequently. It is not altogether unlike a chorus of voices.Hence the exceptions are notable.Science by definition can not posit the exist or non existence of any God(s). Science doesn't even address the question of God.If you want truth you'll find it in the religion department of most major universities. If you want facts the science lab is where you'll want to be.We know when an experiment is done right when it is repeatable by disinterested third parties. In fact science is all about always looking for ways to disprove any given theory.Science is the method by which we observe, test, record, and report phenomenon. Thereby being able make to make accurate predictions about those phenomenon. If you really believe that science is ignorant. Give up that computer and internet connection you are using.According to a recent Pew Poll just over half of all scientists believe in God.http://www.pewforum....and-Belief.aspxNo one scientist can make science. Even the great Christian scientist Galileo had to have his results proven by other scientists trying to disprove his theories. Edited April 24, 2013 by thesometimesaint
Stargazer Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Max Planck, wow. Didn't know this. I wish 44Foxtrot was still around here (no I don't) to get all critical of believing scientists as they must have a screw loose. I wonder if he could have found a way to disparage Max Planck, who not only got the Nobel Prize in Physics (for originating quantum physics), but many fundamental physics constants are named after him.He was, however, not a Christian, but was more of a Deist. He did not believe in a personal God. 1
CASteinman Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Science by definition can not posit the exist or non existence of any God(s). Science doesn't even address the question of God.Science is unable to speak or think or hold an opinion about anything. It isn't able to posit anything because it is unable to do anything.According to a recent Pew Poll just over half of all scientists believe in God.http://www.pewforum....and-Belief.aspxThe reason I said the most "prominent" ones is because there are a fair many "scientists" who are not all that well known, who aren't doing that much in the public eye and are not frequently quoted who are believers. There is a bias in favor of the atheists that is reflected in those who are prominent. That is why the exceptions are notable.And It is interesting that over time the percentages of personal God believing scientists have gone down from 40% to 33% and that they are 10 times more likely to be atheistic than the rest of the population.
CASteinman Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) He was, however, not a Christian, but was more of a Deist. He did not believe in a personal God.It's a fruitless question to ask but I have sometimes wondered to myself (despite King Follet Discourse) whether God the Father is a deist or a theist. I hope I have not offended anyone by making this comment. Edited April 24, 2013 by CASteinman
TAO Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) It is ironic, but such are the rules scientists have to work within.This is important to recognize actually. Science de facto ignores all hypothesis with God in it. This heavily limits what science nowdays can say is and isn't possible about God. Edited April 24, 2013 by TAO
tyler90az Posted April 24, 2013 Author Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) It's a fruitless question to ask but I have sometimes wondered to myself (despite King Follet Discourse) whether God the Father is a deist or a theist. I hope I have not offended anyone by making this comment.I think God the Father is more of a deist to this world then we think also. In the sense that he lets other members of the Godhead and people take care of everything. If we go by strict definition he fits it except for he has not completely abandoned it.detiest may be a better word. Edited April 24, 2013 by tyler90az
thesometimesaint Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) Science:A branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.Who is popular or prominent has no bearing on the science that they do.I made no mention of a personal God. Which by the way has no bearing on the science that scientists do. Edited April 24, 2013 by thesometimesaint
CASteinman Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Who is popular or prominent has no bearing on the science that they do.That is incorrect.I made no mention of a personal God. The article you used for reference did.
CASteinman Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 detiest may be a better word.What does it mean?
thesometimesaint Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Someone who doesn't believe in a personal God.
bcuzbcuz Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Science is unable to speak or think or hold an opinion about anything. It isn't able to posit anything because it is unable to do anything.Bluster and humbug. How about a CFR to prove your point? But since we're talking about science, provide a few CFR's.
CASteinman Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Bluster and humbug. How about a CFR to prove your point? But since we're talking about science, provide a few CFR's.How do you prove a negative? What sort of evidence would you accept that proves that -- say -- a Rock -- is inanimate, makes no decisions and is incapable of thought? What evidence would you accept for that? Can you find such evidence somewhere?If you think science is capable of anything -- why don't you go ahead and prove that? Science cannot do a single thing. Its Scientists who do things.
CASteinman Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Someone who doesn't believe in a personal God.where do you get that? I can't find the word on the internet or in a dictionary.
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