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    • By mfbukowski
      There were a couple of fascinating talks in last years Fairmormon Conference which implied this.
      I just wanted to suggest the topic and put the idea out there.  I had never thought about it before that conference, and now I find the idea drawing me in more and more. I will let you look up the articles because I want people to read the articles more.  No hints.
      To me, it makes perfect sense.  The Godhead is a family.  Some say the Holy Ghost is a feminine personage- the official church position is of course that He is male.
      I think we need more revelation on these issues.
      I would like the thread to be scholarly and respectful to Heavenly Mother and the human person, the mother of Jesus, Mary.
      If the thread gets funky about the conception of Jesus, I will shut it down in a heartbeat.  All are welcome, but we need to have a respectful tone.  And I really do not want this to become an EV vs LDS thread about Biblical interpretations.
    • By Darren10
      Here's what I just posted on my facebook wall:
      From reading a couple of Mathew L. Bowen's (Matt Bowen's) articles and from chatting with him directly on facebook, I can say that Bowen is a master at breaking down words to their etymological roots. He also implements onomasticon usage in order to find deeper meaning behind proper names. In one article, Founded Upon a Rock: Doctrinal and Temple Implications of Peter’s Surnaming, at Mormon Interpreter, Bowen used a wide range of scriptures in order to demonstrate the meaning behind Peter being the rock upon which Jesus Christ would found His church. In his most recent article at mormon Interpreter, called, “Most Desirable Above All Things”: Onomastic Play on Mary and Mormon in the Book of Mormon, Bowen continues this task with the Book of Mormon on the names Mary and Mormon.
      Nephi's vision of the tree of life in the Book of Mormon has always stood out to me as one of the most honorary passages in all of scripture regarding Mary the mother of God. Bowen points to an Egyptian origin of the name Mary as deriving from the word "mr" - "mr(y)" or "mr(i)". "mr" in ancient Egyptian means desire, love, or wish. In Nephi's vision of the tree of life, the fruits represent God's love to the world through giving the world his Son, Jesus Christ. Nephi describes the fruit as being the "most desirable" over anything else. And in order to explain the tree and its fruit, Nephi had a vision of "a virgin". This virgin was described by Nephi as, "A virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins". The spirit of the lord then explains to Nephi that this virgin [is to be] the mother of the Son of God. It is striking that Mary means desire or love and was chosen by God to give birth to Him whose love should be desired above everything else.
      Bowen then focuses on the name Mormon. Bowne cites Hugh Nibley who originally proposed that Mormon is derived from the Egyptian "mr" + "mn". As noted beforehand, "mr" means, desire, love, wish and "mn" means enduring, firm, established. This is very interesting since of the most significant baptismal events noted in the Book of Mormon took place at the "waters of Mormon". Furthermore, Mormon, more than anyone else in the Book of Mormon narrative, details love and charity. Mormon pronounces charity as "the pure love of Christ" and that it is absolutely necessary to obtain charity and "endure to the end" with it. The Book of Mormon also connects baptism as a conversion of oneself into a new person. this new person should obtain the love of Christ and a love of / for their fellow man. I was pretty much stunned by what is a new scriptural insight for me.
      Bowne connects Mary and Mormon together and demonstrates how the principle authors of the Book of Mormon knew precisely the meaning of these two names and used them to teach gospel truths to their audiences. this happened in their own ancient settings and I am thankful that Mathew Bowen has pointed this out for Book of Mormon readers today.
    • By MiserereNobis
      In the thread "NYT's 'Growing Role for Women'" I began a discussion of the role of Mary in the LDS church (I'll put what I said there, which includes my feelings on the Blessed Virgin Mary and some youtube links to some great Catholic music, at the end of this post).  In order not to derail that thread entirely, I decided to start a new one.
      One question I asked was how often is Mary depicted in art in LDS chapels and/or temples?  Calmoriah gave me a google image search link which I am still perusing (and will comment on in another post).
      Tiki also supplied some Book of Mormon verses about Mary, for which I was grateful.  It is awesome to see that your sacred scripture holds Her in high regard, too.
      Do you think a greater focus on Mary among Mormons could help women gain more visibility?  Is Mary a viable alternative to focusing on "Heavenly Mother?"  Would the fact that Catholicism and Orthodoxy place such high emphasis on Her be an obstacle for Mormons focusing more on Her?  What role does the Blessed Virgin Mary currently have in the LDS church?
      Here is my post on the other thread:
    • By Stroopwafel
      One thing that's been on my mind recently is concerning the seeming incongruousness between the Gospels providing Jesus' genealogy (Matt 1:1-16; Luke 3:23-38) to justify his "Davidic" descent, going through Joseph, and the same Gospels clearly stating the doctrine of the virgin birth of Jesus through the Holy Ghost, making him the literal son of God.
      My concern is how are we supposed to reconcile the two?
      Obviously, it doesn't make sense to have the lineage of David justified through Joseph since the scriptures say he is not the father of Jesus. So why provide two genealogies which, although differing, both make specifically Joseph the descent?
      From what I've read, some hold that Luke 3 is actually the genealogy of Mary, pointing to the differences between the two (among those, in Matthew, the father of Joseph is named Jacob, while Luke gives the name of Heli). But why explicitely name Joseph and not Mary?
      I've also read that Mary, somehow, is from the tribe of Judah, which would then make Jesus meet the davidic lineage requirement. I say somehow because I cannot find anything to that effect in the scriptures. How is that deduced? Talmage, in Jesus the Christ, doesn't address the genealogical issue I'm raising, but indeed points to Mary's tribe lineage as the sufficient justification for making Jesus of David's lineage.
      Could any of you help shed some light on this?
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