England Passes Marriage Equality

[Damien the Leper]

This is awesome! Here is the BBC article.

[Buzzard]

I hope you will not be insulted to learn that not all of us share in your joy. It's not marriage equality, it's another bullet into the wounded body of traditional marriage, the foundation of every society.

[Rock_N_Roll]

Good for England.

[Damien the Leper]

I hope you will not be insulted to learn that not all of us share in your joy. It's not marriage equality, it's another bullet into the wounded body of traditional marriage, the foundation of every society.

I understand but your post is a little melodramatic. You do realize that gay marriage doesn't effect straight marriage, right? And let's not get into another debate. There are 4 open threads in the General forum.

[Saints Alive]

. It's not marriage equality, it's another bullet into the wounded body of traditional marriage, the foundation of every society.

I think traditional marriage in England died around the time of Henry VIII

[The Nehor]

I hope you will not be insulted to learn that not all of us share in your joy. It's not marriage equality, it's another bullet into the wounded body of traditional marriage, the foundation of every society.

Traditional marriage is only the foundation of every society as long as you redefine it to include every heterosexual sexual relationship that involved sexual exclusivity. I really doubt that most people think of or are defending dowries, arranged marriages, polygyny, concubines, brideprices, and what we would call pedophilia when they think of the glorious traditional marriage.

[Darren10]

No nation can or will survive under gay marriage. Marriage is an institution from God with cultural celebrations mixed into it; not a cultural celebration with God mixed into it. Furthermore, homosexual behavior, under all circumstances, is condemned by God. That can hardly be said of heterosexual behavior.

[Saints Alive]

No nation can or will survive under gay marriage.

Thats why all those scandinavian countries disappeared right? I don't agree with gay marriage but I don't think it is going to be the last straw that begins the second coming.

[semlogo]

I hope you will not be insulted to learn that not all of us share in your joy. It's not marriage equality, it's another bullet into the wounded body of traditional marriage, the foundation of every society.

My marriage is still great. I've noted with interest that each time gay marriage is legalized, it has done no damage at all to my traditional, heterosexual marriage.

[Zeta-Flux]

My marriage is still great. I've noted with interest that each time gay marriage is legalized, it has done no damage at all to my traditional, heterosexual marriage.

Did you notice any damage to your "traditional, heterosexual marriage" when no-fault divorce laws were passed? If not, then maybe you are looking in the wrong place for the damage being done.

[Damien the Leper]

Let's not turn this thread into a debate. I respect others opinion that this isn't a reason to celebrate. But let's keep it civil.

[semlogo]

Did you notice any damage to your "traditional, heterosexual marriage" when no-fault divorce laws were passed? If not, then maybe you are looking in the wrong place for the damage being done.

No, no damage there either.

Funny how allowing people the freedom to make their own decisions has had no negative impact on my own.

[The Nehor]

No nation can or will survive under gay marriage.

Nations have survived for centuries and even millenia with government allowed same-sex relationships. Your state,ent is also unscriptural.

[Saints Alive]

Nations have survived for centuries and even millenia with government allowed same-sex relationships. Your state,ent is also unscriptural.

I'm still waiting for California to sink into the pacific.

[The Nehor]

I'm still waiting for California to sink into the pacific.

Me too. Where's Lex Luthor when you need him?

[BCSpace]

To my knowledge, the UK already has same sex marriage in all but word only and this bill is merely a change in nomenclature.

[Damien the Leper]

Either way its a victory for equality.

[The Nehor]

Either way its a victory for equality.

No, not really.

[BCSpace]

Either way its a victory for equality.

Not at all. Equality is based on liberty, not welfare.

[The Nehor]

Not at all. Equality is based on liberty, not welfare.

Wait?!?!?!?! Same sex marriage is a welfare issue? Say what?

[BCSpace]

Wait?!?!?!?! Same sex marriage is a welfare issue? Say what?

That's all it is and has ever been. A question of who gets benefited (tax breaks, privileges, etc.) by the state. So should the state be engaged in benefiting risky and undesirable behavior? Of course not. By providing such benefits, the state also lends credibility and legitimacy in the eyes of society which of course leads to more risky and undesirable behavior.

Those making the religious argument that marriage is ordained by God and by definition means only a man and a woman can be married, while correct, miss the mark completely because such a weapon can't hit in a non religious society. Making it a welfare/societal issue is the only way to win. That is why you have always seen me argue that gays can already be married in every state. Just don't ask the state to recognize such marriages.

[Ron Beron]

Either way its a victory for equality.

Equality will only be equated with victory when I look like Tom Selleck. Until then some things will just have to considered unfair.

[The Nehor]

That's all it is and has ever been. A question of who gets benefited (tax breaks, privileges, etc.) by the state. So should the state be engaged in benefiting risky and undesirable behavior? Of course not. By providing such benefits, the state also lends credibility and legitimacy in the eyes of society which of course leads to more risky and undesirable behavior.

So the only way to be true to be a true libertarian is to never get married? Otherwise you are sucking on the teat of government welfare? I thought welfare was bad. This means homosexuals are currently the pure ones.........

Those making the religious argument that marriage is ordained by God and by definition means only a man and a woman can be married, while correct, miss the mark completely because such a weapon can't hit in a non religious society. Making it a welfare/societal issue is the only way to win. That is why you have always seen me argue that gays can already be married in every state. Just don't ask the state to recognize such marriages.

So you, who decry welfare regularly, are arguing that giving gays welfare equal to what you are getting will convince a secular society that you are correct?

Somehow I do not think this plan will work. Good luck though.

[The Nehor]

Equality will only be equated with victory when I look like Tom Selleck. Until then some things will just have to considered unfair.

I do not have that mustache and if equality means having it I despise equality.

[Damien the Leper]

Not at all. Equality is based on liberty, not welfare.

The welfare as you call it is not at the top of the reasons why I would like to marry. If it's about welfare then perhaps heterosexual couples should stop applying for marriage licenses.

I will admit that I really don't need a piece of paper to legitimize my relationship. The paper is trivial compared to the sanctity of the committed relationship itself.