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Here is the agreement for Nauvoo's forum, it looks like what you probably had in mind:

We who enter the virtual village of Nauvoo do so in order to associate freely with fellow Saints and converse on all topics in the light of the revealed gospel of Jesus Christ. We share the experience of life and service in branches, wards, stakes, and missions. We come here to share what we have learned and to learn from each other so that we can better serve the Lord and our fellow beings. "Therefore, strengthen your brethren in all your conversations, in all your prayers, in all your exhortations, and in all your doings." (D&C; 108:7)

In order to attain this goal, we agree to the following principles:

We believe that the Lord directs his Church and teaches his Saints through revelation. Scripture the Old and New Testament, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price hold a unique position of universal authority over the beliefs and doctrines of the Church. Official statements of the First Presidency hold unique authority over the conduct of Church affairs. Other official and published statements of General Authorities, especially those sustained as prophets, seers, and revelators, carry special weight. In Nauvoo, General Authorities are always spoken of with the respect due their office.

We who take part in Nauvoo believe that Joseph Smith's accounts of his visions and revelations are objectively true; that the Book of Mormon is a genuine history written by the prophets identified as the authors within the text and translated with divine aid by Joseph Smith; that the living prophet has the authority to declare the mind and will of the Lord pertaining to the Saints and the world today. Those who do not share this testimony have many forums for their ideas and for public debate about these issues; Nauvoo is reserved for discussion of matters of interest to those who have already decided to follow the prophets on all matters.

We take part in Nauvoo as equals. No one in Nauvoo has any more or less authority over matters of belief than any other -- no matter what office he holds or how powerful his friends are. Name-dropping is not pertinent to our conversations, because all are brothers and sisters in the gospel. We bring to the discussion such knowledge and ideas as we have gained through study and experience, but none of us seeks special privilege for our ideas. We may demonstrate our ideas through reference to scripture or the published works of prophets, as well as through personal stories or our own best reasoning, but if our source or authority for an idea must remain secret, then we should not contribute to the discussion at all.

We accept the principle that it is possible for Saints of good will to disagree in their interpretation or understanding of many matters, but we approach all disagreements with humility, knowing that while we prefer our own ideas and feel them to be well-supported by scripture and the prophets, at all times we humbly admit the possibility that our own understanding may be flawed and that further revelation may reveal things that put our present ideas in a completely different perspective. As a principle of courtesy, we assume at all times that everyone is acting for the best of motives.

We reject the spirit of contention. When someone else's posting seems to us to be contrary to the gospel, we never attack or impugn the motives of the person posting, and we avoid direct and offensive refutation. Rather we set forth our own different understanding of the principles involved, and trust the wisdom of the citizens of Nauvoo and the directing Spirit of God to guide readers to the truth of the matter. Rather than stir up anger or agitation among our fellow citizens, we work to maintain harmony and create understanding. Our goal is to set forth our own ideas and learn from others, never to prevail in an debate or argue another Saint into silence or submission.

We do not discuss in public postings that which belongs in the temple, or that which is known only among a select group. Nor do we quote phrases found in the temple ceremony, unless those phrases come from a scriptural source and we cite the scriptural reference after each phrase that is used in the conversation.

Nor is Nauvoo a forum for members to convert one another to their own secular beliefs. We accept that good Latter-day Saints can be found in any one of a number of political parties, that they may adhere to different dietary or health practices, or that they may personally espouse any one of a number of conflicting socio-political agendas, but Nauvoo is not the place to browbeat others with those agendas. As long as behaviors are not specifically proscribed by the scriptures or the general authorities, we give others the agency to choose for themselves how to live their own lives.

We welcome humor, but not sarcasm, cruelty, or light-mindedness about sacred things.

All Saints are welcome, regardless of age, nationality, race, sex, educational level, career, geographical location, calling, degree of kinship to General Authorities, length of experience in the Church, missionary service, or any other grouping, and so we do not use slighting references that would cause needless hurt to any group of Saints. We are a diverse group, and we rejoice in our diversities because our different experiences can enrich the whole. Nevertheless, we seek unity, not division among us. We stress our commonalities rather than our differences.

We refrain from using language that is generally regarded as coarse or blasphemous.

Most of these principles can be expressed in familiar words: We influence each other "only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned; by kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile." (D&C; 121:41-42) But what if one of us should feel "moved upon by the Holy Ghost" to reprove a brother or sister? We follow the admonition of the scripture, adapting it to our situation as a virtual rather than physical village: We communicate with the individual first by letter. If in that private communication we do not achieve harmony, we take the matter privately before the administrators of the board. At no time do we "reprove with sharpness" on the public boards, because not only does it harm the person we reprove, but also it harms all others who, seeing the sharp reproof, will be intimidated into not speaking freely lest they provoke a similar response.

We citizens of Nauvoo freely agree to these principles. Our compliance with this compact is a condition of our citizenship, and therefore of our ability to witness and contribute to the continuing conversation of this virtual village. Allowing our name to remain on the Nauvoo roster constitutes agreement with these principles.

http://www.nauvoo.com/ubb/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=agree
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If you are trying to become LDS then hearing other perspectives may be a good thing and perhaps stop you from making a decision you may come to regret

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I went to the Nauvoo site Cal mentioned and quite liked It. I noticed it has several catagories from LDS singles, RS only topics, ones like MD and many many more. One poster was newly baptised. They had a thread on "knowing and believing" a thread on "having a personal relationship with the Saviour" and one that I've struggled with and that is the VT Message this year, all concentrating on how to be a better VT, where a few posters felt frusrated giving that lesson to ladies that are inactive and don't VT. So pretty interesting stuff.

Also, it is what you would discuss openly in your own ward where here the difference would be that history and doctrine are discussed openly plus the nitty gritty details unlike in your typical SS class. So I understand where you're coming from, though I've sure enjoyed your posts and meeting someone in cyberville who's been Muslim. I've never known a Muslim. This is how sheltered I am. On this board I'm able to talk to people from all across the world, this is incredible to me.

ETA: I need to add something, this board gives a lot of personal attention to it's posters. It's quite unique in this way. Where when I've posted elsewhere I'd hear birds chirp,

Also, this board is like family, they'll chastise when out of line but that only shows they care. So just some personal feelings in case the Nauvoo board is different but hopefully you'll find whatever makes you happy!

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I'm not being hateful but after my experiences, I really only want to read about Mormon thought. The reason is that my theology is confused enough already and I'm trying to become a Mormon, so hearing from others just makes it hard.

Hi Ellen Maksoud,

All of the forums here have always allowed non-Mormons like me to express their ideas and beliefs. That is at least since 2004 when I started. If you want to read Mormon thought exclusively and without exception, I doubt if this is the proper venue for you. This place, which is at least mostly LDS, does not threaten my being Catholic. It seems hard to understand how this site threatens your being LDS. Now I could understand your concern if you were visiting non-LDS places.

By the way...I go to Mass in Portland...4530 SW Garden Home Road...tomorrow at 10:30...It will be Catholic. Traditional Sung Latin Mass...Septuagesima Sunday for an early Lent, penitential purple during Christmas is pretty unusual! I'll find you if you stay after. I always talk to everybody that's new. I'll be looking for you. I'll look like I do in my picture there...the old guy.

God Bless,

Rory, aka 3DOP

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sorry it didn't sound like that from her post

Yes, she converted from Islam. I think she meant that she is trying to become more connected with her chosen faith.

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Hi Ellen Maksoud,

All of the forums here have always allowed non-Mormons like me to express their ideas and beliefs. That is at least since 2004 when I started. If you want to read Mormon thought exclusively and without exception, I doubt if this is the proper venue for you. This place, which is at least mostly LDS, does not threaten my being Catholic. It seems hard to understand how this site threatens your being LDS. Now I could understand your concern if you were visiting non-LDS places.

By the way...I go to Mass in Portland...4530 SW Garden Home Road...tomorrow at 10:30...It will be Catholic. Traditional Sung Latin Mass...Septuagesima Sunday for an early Lent, penitential purple during Christmas is pretty unusual! I'll find you if you stay after. I always talk to everybody that's new. I'll be looking for you. I'll look like I do in my picture there...the old guy.

God Bless,

Rory, aka 3DOP

Yes, 3DOP is a good guy. As a committed LDS I enjoy his perspective on things.

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Hello Ellen...

I too encourage you to try the nauvoo site, so you can really discuss things without the non-LDS (who are usually critics except for a few like Mudcat and 3DOP, both of whom are considered good friends and appreciated for their perspectives... Mudcat as an evangelical, 3DOP as Catholic). There's a few others, but I think you'll like nauvoo... I go there occasionally just for a break. You can always post here in addition to nauvoo.

I've enjoyed your posts.... GG

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There is a time and place for all things. Sometimes talking with other faithful Latter-day Saints about spiritual topics is like drinking cool, fresh water on a hot day. It revives the soul from a difficult life. It is why we gather together for worship, partake of the Sacrament, or to hear the testimonies of others. There are other times when we are drawn to talk and commune with those of other faiths like 3DOP and so many others. It makes me think of a priest I talked with during my mission in southern France. For him, communal prayer with us was best done by repeating the Our Father. As long as we did that together he was satisfied. We would say a prayer and then afterwards we would all repeat the Our Father and it worked. However, praying in this manner is not as fulfilling as being able to pray with my companion, LDS friends, or with my wife. We should never feel uncomfortable praying with other of other faiths. Similarly, we should never feel uncomfortable praying/worshipping with those of our own faith. There is a time and place for both during our lives.

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Nope, not Mormon only, but the mods are Mormon and probably most of the posters are. But if you want to hear from only LDS, then I think nauvoo.com is an LDS only site.

I was once a quasi-mod, being on the East (EST) allowed me to get up early and get rid of robo- threads in the political forum that got hacked with porn sites...I would delete them so others would be subjected to them...also ads. Board format has changed much from those days.
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I'm not being hateful but after my experiences, I really only want to read about Mormon thought. The reason is that my theology is confused enough already and I'm trying to become a Mormon, so hearing from others just makes it hard.

To clarify, I was Evangelical '72 to 2002, so I know what that is about. After, I was thrown out of Evangelical christianity, I was extremely wild for a time and when I woke up, I realized my life was very out of control. I needed a belief system with very rigid rules. I was Muslim for 6 years and learned much. It took the wildness, slutty clothing, drinking and licentious behavior out of me. So Islam was sort of like someone taking a tenderizing hammer to a tough steak.. So, when the LDS came along, I was ready for it.

The theology is very different from my experiences in my old church. In LDS theology, there are no shouted, angry sermons, no one condemns you for your sin, there is no trinity, it is Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. There are no sermons where people are admonished in guilt to push people to tithe. There is no open and hurtful condemnation of the Gay set.

There are other things that the Evangelicals have purposely misunderstood, like plural marriage, and heavenly progression. I haven't run into too many non LDS folk who really want to learn the truth in context about it and it is their loss. Lastly, if the LDS had not been so open and loving to me, I would either not be religious, or dead. My old church would not even care.

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Ellen, thanks for the reminder that I take my church for granted, not that that was your intention. Though I'm struggling to believe all EV churches are like what you described. Do you think they are all like that, have you been exposed to quite a few?

But thanks again for a reminder of the reasons I love the church. I struggle with JS polygamy and for some reason it's the only thing keeping me from going full throttle in belief again. Darn I wish it had never happened. My whole life has done a 180 and I'm afraid it swallowed me up and made me neglect spending more time with my children. Too busy researching the church. But I'm so glad you found the church in time.

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Ellen, thanks for the reminder that I take my church for granted, not that that was your intention. Though I'm struggling to believe all EV churches are like what you described. Do you think they are all like that, have you been exposed to quite a few?

But thanks again for a reminder of the reasons I love the church. I struggle with JS polygamy and for some reason it's the only thing keeping me from going full throttle in belief again. Darn I wish it had never happened. My whole life has done a 180 and I'm afraid it swallowed me up and made me neglect spending more time with my children. Too busy researching the church. But I'm so glad you found the church in time.

Please don't delay on "going full throttle on belief". :)

I could name the EV churches I was involved in, it would fill no purpose. My first training was essentially Baptist, and while I learned a great deal, the primary motivation tool was guilt about tithing and sin. Some actually believed that hardship came into our lives as a result of sin. Therefore if you were suffering then you had sinned. That was an extremely hurtful practice. Even at that time in 1974, the LDS were preached against.

Then we went to a huge community church in SE Portland. That was all about feel good theology, prosperity, and tithing. We moved out to the far West side of town, and started attending church because of a job change. There we visited or attended several different churches for a variety of reasons and invitations of our friends. For me the Assembly of God was really strange, with the speaking in tongues, the slaying in the spirit, and the shouted sermons. (For me, I would rather face a live, fire breathing dragon than a shouting, angry man.) We visited but did not stay. Then, there was Benny Hinn. I actually attended one of his conventions in a large convention center and was urged to answer the call to the altar. (I was still suffering the effects of horrendous abuse by my step father and my self image was in the basement.)

One of his trademarks was to Slay people in the spirit and gain them miraculous healing. So, when he came to me, rather than my feeling anything spiritual, he just pushed me, expecting me to play along and fall over. There is a funny video on youtube called, Benny Hinn, Let The Bodies Hit The Floor. It is all about thrill seeking and showmanship.

Lastly, we attended an International Foursquare Gospel church. Through that church we went on a temporary Mission to Kenya, and debriefed in Israel. Through another church we went to Honduras for a total of 4 weeks to help rebuild after Hurricane Mitch. I say this to illustrate that for us we really tried to have a life pleasing to Heavenly Father. I won't say that all EV churches are like what I described, since I have only my experience.

So, the event that ended my involvement in church was that I began to question the trinity, and I was caught doing on line exploration of the whole GBLT arena, trying to figure it out. By the time my church, my family and friends were done with me, I was finished with Christianity. A divorce followed almost imediately. I spent a lost year, violating every commandment I could. It was tragic and extremely dangerous. After one really dangerous period, the tests for HIV were extremely frightening and sobering. Happily, they were negative.

Overcome by guilt, it was clear that God was going to punish me if I did not repent. With Christianity no longer an option, I turned to Islam because I had become focused on the First Commandment. "I am the Lord thy God, and thou shalt have no other God's before me." That rang in my head almost constantly, and in Islam there is only one God and him alone.

I know no one really wants to hear about Islam so I will only say that it brought me up short. In six years, the events that followed made me open to the LDS church. I think I have mentioned the miracoulous circumstances of my first encounters with them in Kirtland.

I came to the LDS church believing that I would encounter polygamy. It is normal in Islam. In the nearly two years of my involvement with the LDS, I will say that I have not seen it practiced. While I will not say there were not abuses, it is my opinion that there were polygamous marriages that were on paper only and not consumated. I think that most of JS marriages were that way and were for the protection of women's property rights. Lastly, if abuses did occure in the past, I am relatively sure they no longer happen. Are we to deny the church rights to the same attonement that we desire when we ask for it?

I look at what the church is today, and for me today the church is vibrant, joyously seeking the will of Heavenly Father, forgiving, and positive in a way that was life saving for me and others.

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Thanks again for much insight. I'm glad you landed here and in the church. Lot's of forgiveness can be had in LDS theology. I'm sure when you came out of the waters of baptism it was a glorious feeling! Btw, we all have something in our past history that isn't what would be considered good, every stinkin' one of us. This board is such a great missionary tool for people like yourself that you probably didn't realise, and I love your conversion story! (Sorry I probably shouldn't say the board is a great place for missionaries, since you had no intentions of doing that, just thought I'd put it out there in case the Mods were going to reprimand.)

ETA: I thought I'd be nosy and ask if you've thought about going on a mission for the church at all?

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Thanks again for much insight. I'm glad you landed here and in the church. Lot's of forgiveness can be had in LDS theology. I'm sure when you came out of the waters of baptism it was a glorious feeling! Btw, we all have something in our past history that isn't what would be considered good, every stinkin' one of us. This board is such a great missionary tool for people like yourself that you probably didn't realise, and I love your conversion story! (Sorry I probably shouldn't say the board is a great place for missionaries, since you had no intentions of doing that, just thought I'd put it out there in case the Mods were going to reprimand.)

ETA: I thought I'd be nosy and ask if you've thought about going on a mission for the church at all?

My Baptisim was joyous and shocking! I was extremely cynical about the effects of an LDS baptisim. My gosh, I'd been baptised 4 times before, once in the Jordan river in Israel! Was that not enough? Did they want to drown me? And, astonishingly every time I had an objection, a solution was worked out in a gentle way that um astonished me. Now days I spend a lot of my time being astonished! :)

So, after the baptisim, things started happening! I was able to give forgiveness to the perpetrators in my life, something that had been elusive my entire adult life. The LDS refuse to see me in the way I saw myself. And as I gain confidence, it seems as if my life is blooming in a way that never seemed posible before.

Pants were like totally Haraam for me at baptisim, so they let me wear a dress over them! Wallah ! How could I refuse?

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Lastly, if abuses did occure in the past, I am relatively sure they no longer happen. Are we to deny the church rights to the same attonement that we desire when we ask for it?

I look at what the church is today, and for me today the church is vibrant, joyously seeking the will of Heavenly Father, forgiving, and positive in a way that was life saving for me and others.

Well stated.
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