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I didn't realize LDS people are mocking the Catholic Church, but anyone who protects child predators should be ashamed of themselves.

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You can stop a predator by reporting them to the police as soon as they victimize anyone. And unless you're unlucky to have two predators together, it should never happen because there are supposed to be two leaders present with the boys all the time.

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Sadly, I don't think much can be done about stopping a predator. If it is going to happen, it will happen. It is always the cover up that looks bad.

Has the Prophet always been a member of the board of BSOA? Is he an actual player or just a figurehead for the organization?

So you suspect the Prophet in his board of director responsibilities encourages the BSA to hide or root out predatory behavior?

The LDS Church and the Boy Scouts of America have very substantial youth protection programs in place and are very serious about keeping youth safe from predators. Sadly predators target organizations like the LDS Church and Boy Scouts of America.

When it is proven the BSA or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ignored abuse or created an environment where abusers were protected then let's revisit this.

Until then if you are worried about a youth in your jurisdiction please go here: http://www.scouting....Protection.aspx

or to your Bishop or Stake President who have access to LDS Social Services abuse hotline (in operation almost 20 years now). http://www.deseretne...USE.html?pg=all

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So you suspect the Prophet in his board of director responsibilities encourages the BSA to hide or root out predatory behavior?

Sure hope not! That is why I am trying to figure out his role in the organization.

The LDS Church and the Boy Scouts of America have very substantial youth protection programs in place and are very serious about keeping youth safe from predators. Sadly predators target organizations like the LDS Church and Boy Scouts of America.

Good point

When it is proven the BSA or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ignored abuse or created an environment where abusers were protected then let's revisit this.

here: http://www.scouting....Protection.aspx

or to your Bishop or Stake President who have access to LDS Social Services abuse hotline (in operation almost 20 years now). http://www.deseretne...USE.html?pg=all

Not concerned at all because I trust the members in my ward. Similar to how I am sure the parents of the abused trusted the BS leaders in their area. It is hard to prevent a first time abuser. What would be alarming is if incidents were not reported and they abused more. Which is, according to the video, what happened.

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Are there any documented cases of the Boy Scouts moving an accused child predator to another troop?

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Failure to report was a big problem prior to the 1990s for all groups. Reporting requirements under the law have been improved and organizations working with youth have come up to date. Thank goodness!

The BSA program is probably one of the best I've participated in. Even youth on youth hazing or electronic media in shower rooms is cause to take a youth off line or confiscate cameras and recorders for investigative purposes. And as you pointed out 2 deep leadership is required even in a church building. If my assistant or a father can't be with me when i lead we have the meeting in a public area where other adults are present.

CNN reporting on an investigation using files up to 1991 but not recent practices is kind of disingenuous if you want to determine the current state of youth protection.

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Are there any documented cases of the Boy Scouts moving an accused child predator to another troop?

I think these were cases where reports were ignored or not followed up on appropriately allowing leaders to stay in place when they should have been removed.

These things are so hard to sort out and have terrible consequences for abusers and falsely accused persons as well. I had a dear friend who lost his teaching career over false charges (the girls later admitted they made them up because he gave them detention for misbehaving in class) and I know a man who was serially abused by a Scout leader in the LDS church and was afraid to report it.

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I would assume that any BSA board member would be involved only in very general policy and no direct contact with specific cases.

You would be correct. The responsibility to follow up on cases like this rests with the local Scout Executive at the Council level.

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Quite possibly for the same reason why Bishops are supposed to call the hotline (unless there is immediate danger)...to get informed on the proper legal way to deal with the situation so nothing gets screwed up resulting in a false arrest or the case being tossed out on a technicality or the child being harmed in some way by improper actions being taken.

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I would not say that is very likely. A very very small population is exempt from reporting. Secondly, it is highly unlikely that the exec would be an authority on the issue, much less licensed to practice law as it were.

Quite possibly for the same reason why Bishops are supposed to call the hotline (unless there is immediate danger)...to get informed on the proper legal way to deal with the situation so nothing gets screwed up resulting in a false arrest or the case being tossed out on a technicality or the child being harmed in some way by improper actions being taken.

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Scout Leaders in the Grand Canyon Council are told "If a youth comes to you and tells ypu about abuse, you fist call the Council executive ." Not sure why the scout exec wanted to be called first, but the policy sure did not sit well with some people.

Quite possibly for the same reason why Bishops are supposed to call the hotline (unless there is immediate danger)...to get informed on the proper legal way to deal with the situation so nothing gets screwed up resulting in a false arrest or the case being tossed out on a technicality or the child being harmed in some way by improper actions being taken.

Cals got it right. As well as the legal responsibility for keeping the youth and volunteers safe lies with the counsel who sponsors and insures camps and events.

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I would not say that is very likely. A very very small population is exempt from reporting. Secondly, it is highly unlikely that the exec would be an authority on the issue, much less licensed to practice law as it were.

He is an executive officer in charge of overseeing all that goes on in the counsel. While he is not a lawyer, policeman or youth counselor he's got them on speed dial.

Mandatory Reporting of Child Abuse

All persons involved in Scouting shall report to local authorities any good faith suspicion or belief that any child is or has been physically or sexually abused, physically or emotionally neglected, exposed to any form of violence or threat, exposed to any form of sexual exploitation including the possession, manufacture, or distribution of child pornography, online solicitation, enticement, or showing of obscene material. No person may abdicate this reporting responsibility to any other person.

Notify your Scout executive of this report, or of any violation of BSA’s Youth Protection policies, so that he or she may take appropriate action for the safety of our Scouts, make appropriate notifications, and follow-up with investigating agencies.

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Kevin notice that BSA instructs to report to legal authorities first, my council exec instructed the opposite.

Share this information with your local council if they are doing it wrong.

Reporting requirements vary from state to state. It is probably good counsel to do both simultaneously but I'm sure the council does not want to be surprised. The council can also provide good direction and support to those who do witness and need to report.

I don't take it as a sinister plot to hide evidence or incidents. Remember this video is about pre 1991 reporting failures not current policy.

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I would not say that is very likely. A very very small population is exempt from reporting. Secondly, it is highly unlikely that the exec would be an authority on the issue, much less licensed to practice law as it were.

I am not saying there would be an exemption involved, just a proper procedure on how best to report and to whom, etc. One doesn't need to be a lawyer to know what the law requires in a specific instance especially if one has received training.

But it may have nothing to do with my suggestion, I have no evidence either way.

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I bet everyone knows atleast someone that has been abused at scout camp. And the same could be said about women and sexual abuse. With the statistic being 1 in 3 women that are affected by some kind of sexual abuse. I hope one day that the cycle of abuse will be stop, hopefully with our generation, but that's probably not going to happen.

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