Antoni Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 Hi,I was reading D&C's last night (forgive me I'm not sure which one as I'm now away from home and so can't check). In it it spoke of the ordinance of foot washing.I've always been interested that Christians follow Christ's command to observe the sacrament but not his command to wash each others feet.This D&C seemed to suggest the LDS sees it as an ordinance.I'm still a newbie and an invstigator, so wondered if anyone here can expand on if there is a current practise of this ordinance?Thanks
Calm Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/88?lang=eng 138 And ye shall not receive any among you into this school save he is clean from the ablood of this generation; 139 And he shall be received by the ordinance of the awashing of feet, for unto this end was the ordinance of the washing of feet instituted. 140 And again, the ordinance of washing feet is to be administered by the president, or presiding elder of the church. 141 It is to be commenced with prayer; and after partaking ofabread and wine, he is to gird himself according to the bpatterngiven in the thirteenth chapter of John’s testimony concerning me. Amen.
Antoni Posted September 11, 2012 Author Posted September 11, 2012 thanks for the references Calmoriah.so does the current LDS practice this oridinance? If so in what context?Thanks
Cobalt-70 Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 thanks for the references Calmoriah.so does the current LDS practice this oridinance? If so in what context?It is part of the second anointing.
Antoni Posted September 11, 2012 Author Posted September 11, 2012 thanks Cobalt, I assume that means it's part of the Temple ordinances, which is what I was assuming it would be.
Storm Rider Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 thanks Cobalt, I assume that means it's part of the Temple ordinances, which is what I was assuming it would be.In the Church at large we do not practice washing the feet of others. If it occurs anywhere else in the Church, the temple for example, it occurs only rarely. We don't really have anything similar to Maundy Thursday where feet are washed of others in celebration of Christ washing the feet of the first Apostles.On the Camino de Santiago de Compostela in the Hospital de San Nicolas, a restored church, the monks will often wash the feet of all the pilgrims who stay. There may be another albergue where they wash the feet of each pilgrim. It is a very touching event and almost every pilgrim I have talked to about their eperience has been touched deeply by such an experience.
zerinus Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) Hi,I was reading D&C's last night (forgive me I'm not sure which one as I'm now away from home and so can't check). In it it spoke of the ordinance of foot washing.I've always been interested that Christians follow Christ's command to observe the sacrament but not his command to wash each others feet.This D&C seemed to suggest the LDS sees it as an ordinance.I'm still a newbie and an invstigator, so wondered if anyone here can expand on if there is a current practise of this ordinance?Thankshttp://www.lds.org/s.../dc/88?lang=engthanks for the references Calmoriah.so does the current LDS practice this oridinance? If so in what context?ThanksIt is part of the second anointing.That particular ordinance was part of the process of admission to the school of prophets; and as far as I know a schools of prophets is not organized in the Church today; therefore that particular ordinance would not be administered in the Church at the present time. Edited September 11, 2012 by zerinus
Saints Alive Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 I believe the Prophet washes the apostles feet in the holy of holies on certain occasions
Antoni Posted September 11, 2012 Author Posted September 11, 2012 thanks for the further info.Excuse my ignorance but is the Holy of Holies a space in each temple or just the Salt Lake City one?
ERMD Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 I'm not sure if every temple has a Holy of Holies, but I know that many do.
Storm Rider Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 Within every temple is either a room that is set aside as a Holy of Holies or a room has a dual purpose and serves as a sealing room and a Holy of Holies as needed.
Sevenbak Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 It is still done, but only rarely, and in the temple. Here's a very good treatise.http://www.templestudy.com/2008/05/06/washing-of-feet/
Antoni Posted September 11, 2012 Author Posted September 11, 2012 Thanks for clarifying about the Holy of Holies.Sevenbak that article is excellent, just what I was looking for to extend my studies. Many thanks.
Sevenbak Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 Thanks for the topic, I learned some things I didn't know.I especially liked this::It is enlightening that originally the traditional church hymn “The Spirit of God Like a Fire is Burning!“, which was sung at the dedication of the Kirtland temple, had these words as one of the verses:We’ll wash and be washed,and with oil be anointed,Withal not omitting the washing of feet;For he that receiveth his penny appointedMust surely be clean at the harvest of wheat.
MiserereNobis Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 I've always been interested that Christians follow Christ's command to observe the sacrament but not his command to wash each others feet.In the Catholic Church, foot washing is party of the Maundy Thursday Mass, which celebrates the Last Supper and the washing of the Apostles' feet. It is, however, not a sacrament (ordinance in LDS terminology), but part of the Mass.So there are Christians who observe this command As pointed out above, there are also monasteries who practice this as well.
cassieblanca Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 Foot washing was part of the washing and anointing before the endowment. But wasn't that changed? I haven't done washings & anointings for years, but I think my husband said the last time he did them, they don't wash the feet anymore. I could be mistaken.Regarding the holy of holies, an institute teacher of mine back in college said that our celestial rooms would be the equivalent of the holy of holies in Biblical times, even though now, in the celestial room, you don't have to be a priesthood holder to get in (women). I could be remembering wrong - it's been years.
Thinking Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 The washing of feet was part of the endowment which was introduced in Kirtland.
MiserereNobis Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 The washing of feet was part of the endowment which was introduced in Kirtland.Do Mormons believe that Jesus instituted the endowment ceremony at the Last Supper then?
The Nehor Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 Do Mormons believe that Jesus instituted the endowment ceremony at the Last Supper then?They believe what faith and reason leads them to believe about that event.
USU78 Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 Do Mormons believe that Jesus instituted the endowment ceremony at the Last Supper then?There is insufficient evidence in ancient scripture and commentary . . . and in modern scripture and commentary . . . to know for certain. At least not that I'm aware of.Many have stated that He did so institute either during His lifetime or prior to His ascension. 2
MiserereNobis Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 They believe what faith and reason leads them to believe about that event.Heh, that's not much of an answer to my question, eh?
The Nehor Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 Heh, that's not much of an answer to my question, eh? In this case you can ask what individuals think but asking for a one size fits all answer on this point is probably futile. I do not think it was the endowment but I do believe it was an ordinance.
Saints Alive Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) Do Mormons believe that Jesus instituted the endowment ceremony at the Last Supper then? Some believe so, others point to the garden of gethsemane, and other parts of the new testament. No event in Christ's life is pointed to as officially instituting the endowment, its all speculation. Personally I believe Christ left the apostles with all the elements (or teachings from my perspective) of the endowment before he ascended, I don't think it was in the same form as the current endowment and probably stretched over a period of time. Edited September 11, 2012 by Saints Alive
David T Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) I thought I recalled that Footwashing is a part of the Apostolic calling, and is performed by the President of the Church on their entrance into that Quorum. Does that sound familiar to anyone? Edited September 11, 2012 by David T
Saints Alive Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 I thought I recalled that Footwashing is a part of the Apostolic calling, and is performed by the President of the Church on their entrance into that Quorum. Does that sound familiar to anyone? I believe I have read that somewhere as well.
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