Hate Speech

[Zeta-Flux]

Okay, recently in the news I have seen a lot of accusations of hate speech, bigotry, etc...

And yet, if you look at the actual speech it is not hateful, bigoted, etc..., but the response almost always is.

Is there any way we can get this fact across to the public at large? That it is wrong to accuse others of hate speech when they are not hateful? Or will this continue, just as accusations of racism continue to be made against those who have not said racist things?

What bothers me most is that reporters seem to have turned into bloggers. No sense of fairness or truth in print. If you are for traditional marriage you are against marriage equality. If you are for protecting an unborn child you are against women's rights. And further, they don't mention the first half.

[ERayR]

Okay, recently in the news I have seen a lot of accusations of hate speech, bigotry, etc...

And yet, if you look at the actual speech it is not hateful, bigoted, etc..., but the response almost always is.

Is there any way we can get this fact across to the public at large? That it is wrong to accuse others of hate speech when they are not hateful? Or will this continue, just as accusations of racism continue to be made against those who have not said racist things?

What bothers me most is that reporters seem to have turned into bloggers. No sense of fairness or truth in print. If you are for traditional marriage you are against marriage equality. If you are for protecting an unborn child you are against women's rights. And further, they don't mention the first half.

It will continue as it is an attention getting club to subdue those who don;t agree with you.

[thesometimesaint]

Hate speech is a communication that carries no meaning other than the expression of hatred for some group, especially in circumstances in which the communication is likely to provoke violence. It is an incitement to hatred primarily against a group of persons defined in terms of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, religion, sexual orientation, and the like. Hate speech can be any form of expression regarded as offensive to racial, ethnic and religious groups and other discrete minorities or to women.

[Calm]

It is an incitement to hatred.....Hate speech can be any form of expression regarded as offensive to racial, ethnic and religious groups and other discrete minorities or to women.

I think the problem Zeta is referring to is that regarding something as offensive by a particular group does not automatically equate to it really being offensive or actual hate speech, especially when in order to make the claim that something is hate speech the emphasis of what is being promoted is misrepresented, such as those who focus solely on the effect on women in regards to prolife as opposed to the effect on the unborn or in the recent case, promotion of traditional marriage which includes promoting men staying with their families and instead presenting it as solely antigay (and not even just antiSSM).

If "hate speech" was actually limited solely to expressions of hate and not to claims of speech promoting/inciting of hate which is, in my opinion, much, much more subjective, I think there would be less issues with its usage.

[Zeta-Flux]

thesometimesaint,

While I agree with calmoriah, it goes beyond that. For those forms of speech where one would have to be personally offended, and there is no call for violence or hatred, what in the world are reporters doing being the ones who interpret it in that negative vein?

[ERayR]

thesometimesaint,

While I agree with calmoriah, it goes beyond that. For those forms of speech where one would have to be personally offended, and there is no call for violence or hatred, what in the world are reporters doing being the ones who interpret it in that negative vein?

Its called Agenda

[Robert F. Smith]

Okay, recently in the news I have seen a lot of accusations of hate speech, bigotry, etc...

And yet, if you look at the actual speech it is not hateful, bigoted, etc..., but the response almost always is.

Is there any way we can get this fact across to the public at large? That it is wrong to accuse others of hate speech when they are not hateful? Or will this continue, just as accusations of racism continue to be made against those who have not said racist things?

What bothers me most is that reporters seem to have turned into bloggers. No sense of fairness or truth in print. If you are for traditional marriage you are against marriage equality. If you are for protecting an unborn child you are against women's rights. And further, they don't mention the first half.

A good many people in Western society do not practice restraint and civility, and they do not care whether their speech is offensive in some way. In some countries this can be illegal (Nazi speech in Germany, for example). Here in American it is legal to say nearly anything and the coarsening of speech in our society has been descending rapidly for decades. Even some on this Board do not understand how important it is to be considerate and respectful of others, even if they have beliefs that differ from theirs. Haters thrive on creating enmity rather than kindness.

[thesometimesaint]

I used the standard dictionary definition of the word.

[Deborah]

Fulfilling of prophecy: good will be called evil and evil good?

It seems to be used when the side using it has no rational arguments so must resort to name-calling.

[BCSpace]

While I realize laws against such can protect both sides, Book of Mormon doctrine opposes the notion of the very existence of hate speech. Alma 30:7 etc. For if one makes a law against a certain type of speech, one is also making a law against a man's belief at the same time.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

Okay, recently in the news I have seen a lot of accusations of hate speech, bigotry, etc...

And yet, if you look at the actual speech it is not hateful, bigoted, etc..., but the response almost always is.

Is there any way we can get this fact across to the public at large? That it is wrong to accuse others of hate speech when they are not hateful? Or will this continue, just as accusations of racism continue to be made against those who have not said racist things?

What bothers me most is that reporters seem to have turned into bloggers. No sense of fairness or truth in print. If you are for traditional marriage you are against marriage equality. If you are for protecting an unborn child you are against women's rights. And further, they don't mention the first half.

The heavens weep,

At the sight.

When God's children,

Choose to fight.

Each cause different,

Yet all the same.

They think they fight,

In God's name.

William E. Lee

[USU78]

The only true hate speech concerning the only true college: http://utahstate.scout.com/2/105564.html

[KevinG]

If you want examples of real hate speech serve broccoli without cheese sauce at my house.

[thesometimesaint]

While there is no such thing as fighting words in California. I wouldn't take too kindly to someone calling my mother the slang for a female dog to my face.

[thesometimesaint]

Sometimes we're our own worse enemy.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/09/utah-road-sign-flashes-god-hates-gays-near-brigham-young-univ/

[KevinG]

Sometimes we're our own worse enemy.

http://www.rawstory....ham-young-univ/

By "we" I take you are a highway contracting company employee who writes unapproved messages on his company's traffic signs when in Provo.

[KevinG]

Does a New York Times food reporter celebrating the death of Chick-fil-a's pubic affairs officer and referring to the dead man as a pig count as hate speech?

[thesometimesaint]

KevinG:

By "we" I take you are a highway contracting company employee who writes unapproved messages on his company's traffic signs when in Provo.

No I'm retired. Whom ever put up the sign sure didn't have a high opinion of the Saints.

[thesometimesaint]

KevinG:

Does a New York Times food reporter celebrating the death of Chick-fil-a's pubic affairs officer and referring to the dead man as a pig count as hate speech?

Yes.

Whether it is job ending is another question.

[Pahoran]

KevinG:

Yes.

Whether it is job ending is another question.

Agreed. It would be far more likely to be "job ending" if he had tried to make a reasoned argument in favour of the sanctity of marriage.

Regards,

Pahoran

[Calm]

By "we" I take you are a highway contracting company employee who writes unapproved messages on his company's traffic signs when in Provo.

Actually from what the update said, perhaps it was someone walking by...not sure how they are programmed, but apparently whatever the security was, it was left unlocked.

[Damien the Leper]

Its called Agenda

And EVERYONE has one. There are no innocent bystanders nor collateral damage.

[KevinG]

Agreed. It would be far more likely to be "job ending" if he had tried to make a reasoned argument in favour of the sanctity of marriage.

Regards,

Pahoran

Or if he had tried to eat a Chick-fil-a sandwich in front of lesbian co-workers.

[KevinG]

And EVERYONE has one. There are no innocent bystanders nor collateral damage.

My agenda is to raise my family and bring others unto Christ. When its not eating sugary snacks with no adverse side effects. Still having trouble with that one.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

If you want examples of real hate speech serve broccoli without cheese sauce at my house.

Ah we are brothers geo and taste.